Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I mean don't TV shows already have around 10 minutes of actual content and 20 minutes of commercials? That stuff won't replace movies.

On my Blu-rays and DVDs they have 200-1000 minutes of content and 0 minutes of commercials.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

On my Blu-rays and DVDs they have 200-1000 minutes of content and 0 minutes of commercials.

Really? You didn’t suffer the Mars bar (for the record, it’s a chocolate bar) adverts before the film on Blu-ray Disc a couple of years ago? In the U.K. we did. Thankfully not a long trend.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I mean don't TV shows already have around 10 minutes of actual content and 20 minutes of commercials? That stuff won't replace movies.

Not as bad in the U.K. still too many though. For a 30 minute show, we have one set of adverts lasting around 4 minutes.

No, I was referring to short form content. That covers stuff like snapchat stories, vines (about to be resurrected I think) or anything upto 15 minutes. Mostly less than a minute though for video services included with social media.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.moviefone.com/2019/01/17...g-naomi-watts/

It starts...........

This is the perfect storm I have been talking about. 5G, increasing broadband prices and big budget short form, mobile centric content.

Can’t believe people can’t see this coming. Talk about head in sand.

Another meaningless link that proves nothing. By your logic, if I bake cupcakes, it must mean that I will never enjoy a regular cake again.

Been watching short form content for decades and it has had no adverse impact on my interest in full length feature films. It is possible, for most of us, to enjoy more than one thing. You should try it sometime.

Incidentally, box office receipts for 2018 are UP $817 million, an increase of 7.4%, totaling $11.889 billion. Someone is sure watching those full length movies at the theater.

Movies are MORE popular, not less. Short form content has not "eaten away" at long form content at all.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly...are=yty&p=.htm

I shudder to think where your head is lodged.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

It failed for everyone. This will inevitably happen. For what it's worth, your power could also have gone out preventing you from watching the movie on a disc. VUDU copies are still well worth it for movies I will watch more than once, but stuff I don't like enough to buy on Blu-ray.

I own a portable disc player, so, no, a power outage would not have stopped me from watching my discs. All part of my preparedness for the coming zombie apocalypse.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Did I miss something? Did Candy Crush replace all other video games?

It did! Where have you been? No physical release, tho, so I'm afraid that you are SOL.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I own a portable disc player, so, no, a power outage would not have stopped me from watching my discs. All part of my preparedness for the coming zombie apocalypse.

My zombie apocalypse plan is:

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

My zombie apocalypse plan is:

[Show spoiler]

Good plan, but you still need a way to watch movies.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Short form tends to be defined as anything 10 minutes or less. Heck, millennials watch videos of 5 minutes or less.

I watch videos under 5 minutes in length. Am I a millennial?

I also watch movies that typically range from 80 minutes to over 4 hours in length.

I binge watch TV shows in 4 to 6 hour sessions, too.

I read comic strips. I also read novels.

I listen to a single 3 minute song. I also listen to an entire album, even double length ones.

I do all of these things and my interest in one has not changed my interest in the others. The length is appropriate to the subject and it is the content itself that matters, not how short or how long it is.

[Steedeel]

I have replied to your post in the Digital bits thread. To my shock, I haven’t raised the same point in here. I thought I had.

Basically, I think the removal of Chinese tv makers (it could happen quite easilly) from the market will cause a slump that means prices are pushed up and far fewer tv manufacturers will exist (obviously). We are then in the fragile state that existed before China started selling ultra cheap 4K sets in the U.S/U.K.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That covers stuff like snapchat stories, vines (about to be resurrected I think) or anything upto 15 minutes. Mostly less than a minute though for video services included with social media.

And you really believe this stuff could kill Hollywood?

Okay.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Basically, I think the removal of Chinese tv makers (it could happen quite easilly) from the market will cause a slump that means prices are pushed up and far fewer tv manufacturers will exist (obviously). We are then in the fragile state that existed before China started selling ultra cheap 4K sets in the U.S/U.K.

We were in a fragile state before China started selling cheap TVs?

That's not how I remember it.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want to lose access to their cheap panels but it's not like we were living in the Dark Ages before they entered the market.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The length is appropriate to the subject and it is the content itself that matters, not how short or how long it is.

That's what she said.

I choose to believe her.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

And you really believe this stuff could kill Hollywood?

Okay.



We were in a fragile state before China started selling cheap TVs?

That's not how I remember it.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want to lose access to their cheap panels but it's not like we were living in the Dark Ages before they entered the market.

Fragile state as in only a small handful of major players fighting against very thin profit margins. The Chinese sets have increased competition and boosted the sales of 4K sets. TCL I believe are the 2nd biggest seller in the US I read. That has to be a hammer blow for the industry losing the major Chinese makes.

It’s a major blow for us as well.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Fragile state as in only a small handful of major players fighting against very thin profit margins.

And yet even before China jumped in screens kept getting bigger and better and cheaper.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That has to be a hammer blow for the industry losing the major Chinese makes.

Oh, I don't think the industry would mind in the slightest if China went away.

Taking China off the board would be a huge boon to everybody else.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s a major blow for us as well.

Yeah, it would definitely suck but very much in a first world problems sort of way.

In our circles 65" displays are basically entry-level. Take China off the board, let prices jump a bit and many of us would step back to down to 55 and our dreams of affordable 75" direct view displays would likely be delayed for several years.

Woe is us?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Fragile state as in only a small handful of major players fighting against very thin profit margins. The Chinese sets have increased competition and boosted the sales of 4K sets. TCL I believe are the 2nd biggest seller in the US I read. That has to be a hammer blow for the industry losing the major Chinese makes.

It’s a major blow for us as well.

TCL is tied for fourth place worldwide with Hisense. They did hit the number 2 position in the U.S. market back in Sep. 2017.

https://www.trendrr.net/2413/top-10-...s-best-seller/

More recent U.S. only market share has been elusive to find.

There is nothing to suggest that the Chinese brands of TVs are near to being "banned" in the U.S. as you have postulated elsewhere. Even if they were, plenty of other brands would remain. This whole tangent is just one of your made-up scenarios.

Regardless, TVs sales are up worldwide. Box office receipts are up worldwide. Both long form content and TVs are not only safe, they are seeing growth.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

This whole tangent is just one of your made-up scenarios.

Every time we dispute one of Steedeel's claims he comes up with even more ridiculous ideas to prove his point.

I can't wait to see what he'll come up with next

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Every time we dispute one of Steedeel's claims he comes up with even more ridiculous ideas to prove his point.

I can't wait to see what he'll come up with next.

The future frightens him and that's sad. He conjures up one doomsday scenario after another.

I'm excited about the future myself and I can hardly wait to see what's coming next. It won't be a "rude awakening" at all, but a grand revelation instead. Bring it on!

[PenguinInfinity]

It's hard to fathom any logic in "if TCL leaves the U.S. and U.K. then all of its customers will watch everything on their phones instead".

That prediction will be hard to top, but I have faith that Steedeel will think of something even more absurd.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It's hard to fathom any logic in "if TCL leaves the U.S. and U.K. then all of its customers will watch everything on their phones instead".

That prediction will be hard to top, but I have faith that Steedeel will think of something even more absurd.

There is no logic involved, just fear.

Hard to top? He hasn't brought up viewing content on wristwatches lately or even vertically framed content for phones. Seeing as I just did, he might be able to work both into his next ominous foreboding.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I'm excited about the future myself...

It's hard not to be.

When it comes to increasing bang for ones buck pretty much every corner of the tech sector has gone batshit crazy over the past decade or so.

Honestly, my only two complaints about new products are the durability of receivers (my old Denon was a freaking tank, it's hard to find decent receivers that aren't to some degree disposable) and black levels.

CRT had a lot of shortcomings but blacks were freaking black.

That's it. Those are really the only two 'well back in the day' gripes I have. Oh wait, no, Logitech doesn't make the macro keyboard I like anymore. So three things, I guess

It's insane how cool (and cheap) the toys have become.

I'm even looking forward to seeing what streaming has in store. I'm old enough to remember when cable tv was new and I remember back then people theorizing about video-on-demand services. Having instant access to any film or tv show sounded like science fiction but we're getting there.

Some might find all this 5G talk scary but it sounds pretty freaking awesome to me. Again, old enough to remember when Compuserve charged a premium for 1200 baud business class access

I can't wait to see what's next.