Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The only flaw to this otherwise magnificent display of logic is that everything is stored on servers. All servers are indeed physical and all physical things are thus servers.

Now you can truly say that you have been served.

That's the kind of logic only a server would come up with! But who am I to judge, apparently we're all servers.

[PenguinInfinity]

Maybe you're a more advanced server than I am but I can't see the image you posted.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Maybe you're a more advanced server than I am but I can't see the image you posted.

I am having trouble posting images in this thread today. I am not being well served by servers it would seem.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I'm going to try the opposite argument: it's all physical. Whether your media is stored on a disc or a hard drive or a solid state drive or a flash drive or a crystal or even in your brain all of those things are physical. And not just media... everything is physical! Physical wins, it's irrefutable.

Yea Penguin, I like your explanation better. Media stored on a Disc, HD, or Server are all the same. So if you Stream that Media from Disc, HD, or Server should be the same!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yea Penguin, I like your explanation better. Media stored on a Disc, HD, or Server are all the same. So if you Stream that Media from Disc, HD, or Server should be the same!

Even the joke eludes you.

That assumes that the data is originating from the same source and that it is the same on each storage device, with the same compression, codecs, and bitrates AND, in the case of a remote server, that the internet is working and that the server farm is not overtaxed. There is no "streaming" between a disc player and a display nor between a hard drive and a display. Again, you forget the definition of the word "streaming." Odd, for such a self proclaimed networking expert to forget such a thing. A refresher for you:

Streaming definition:

"A method of transmitting or receiving data (especially video and audio material) over a computer network as a steady, continuous flow, allowing playback to start while the rest of the data is still being received."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/streaming

"Bit streaming" is altogether different:

"a simple contiguous sequence of binary digits transmitted continuously over a communications path; a sequence of data in binary form. "
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bitstream

The former requires a network, such as the internet, while the latter does not. A disc player does not need the internet to play a disc while "streaming" from Netflix does.

Therefore, it is NOT the same. The data encoded on a 4K disc is NOT the same as what you are receiving from your anemic 4K stream from a SVOD's server; the former is better than the latter. The former needs no internet and no network; the latter has to have it.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yea Penguin, I like your explanation better. Media stored on a Disc, HD, or Server are all the same. So if you Stream that Media from Disc, HD, or Server should be the same!

And if you watch on your TV or on a phone or in a microwave or stare at a blank wall, it's all physical and therefore all the same.

Watching a movie is exactly the same as being punched in the face, it's all physical!

By the way, this forum is way more fun when we are coming up with our own nonsense instead of trying to argue against other people's nonsense.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

And if you watch on your TV or on a phone or in a microwave or stare at a blank wall, it's all physical and therefore all the same.

Watching a movie is exactly the same as being punched in the face, it's all physical!

By the way, this forum is way more fun when we are coming up with our own nonsense instead of trying to argue against other people's nonsense.

Definitely.

It is more creative than just parroting that "it's all digital and all of 'it' is on a server" or that "viewing content on phones will damn us all forever to small screens and short clips."

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Wired and wireless keyboards, mice used here, no problems with either type.

Have SSD in a laptop and desktop and they work as expected. I'm in the middle of a Z390, i7 Coffeelake build and can not get a SATA SSD (Samsung from the QVL) to work with it. Will use a Seagate Firecuda in the meantime and I may try a M.2 SSD later on.

Once again your comments about digital make you look like a complete buffoon to anyone that has even a little bit of knowledge about Boolean algebra. I can't imagine what your post will be like if quantum computers ever become a reality.

We all know you are a very knowledgeable person with a wealth of information, but you shouldn't lower yourself by name calling. As for your SSD upgrade that Intel Z390 has SATA III Interface, but it's backward compatible. So it will work with a Samsung SSD, that's what I used a Samsung 1TB. Just make an Image of your C: Boot-up with a Repair & Restore Disc, and you are hot to go.

I know there are many types of Digital Files, but it's not that complicated. I go back to the DOS days, and it was all about Files and Folders and it hasn't changed that much. I use to Back-up my DVD's and Blu-rays, and if you take a look at those Discs it's Video Files in Folders. Copy those to a Server and you can Stream 1:1. I know that the Streaming Files from Providers are different, but the basic idea is still there.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

but you shouldn't lower yourself by name calling.

No name calling, you bring it on yourself, Vilya once told you, “if you don’t want to be hammered, don’t be a nail.” Why you insist on being a nail is beyond me.

As for your SSD upgrade that Intel Z390 has SATA III Interface, but it's backward compatible. So it will work with a Samsung SSD, that's what I used a Samsung 1TB. Just make an Image of your C: Boot-up with a Repair & Restore Disc, and you are hot to go.

Nope, there is a incompatibility somewhere with this combo, others are having the same problem. The SSD’s work fine in my older hardware. Microsoft (Windows 10 Pro 64bit) does not even have drivers for the Intel ethernet adapter, had to install after Windows was up and running. The new computer works fine with a HDD.

I know there are many types of Digital Files, but it's not that complicated. I go back to the DOS days, and it was all about Files and Folders and it hasn't changed that much. I use to Back-up my DVD's and Blu-rays, and if you take a look at those Discs it's Video Files in Folders. Copy those to a Server and you can Stream 1:1. I know that the Streaming Files from Providers are different, but the basic idea is still there.

I go back to the IBM-360, Unix and the DEC PDP-11-04, etc., so what, does not mean anything.

One more time: if you rip a CD to a 48KHz MP3 and rip that same CD to a 320KHz MP3 you end up with two binary (digital) files but I can assure you the two files ≠. Think of the 48KHz MP3 version being equivalent to streaming and the 320KHz MP3 version being equivalent to a Blu-ray disc. Most non tech people seem to grasp this concept, it is a mystery as to why you can not.

[ZoetMB]

I'm sitting here watching "Man on the Moon" (on cable) so it's making me think that the last 1000 posts are completely fake and someone's idea of a joke.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I'm sitting here watching "Man on the Moon" (on cable) so it's making me think that the last 1000 posts are completely fake and someone's idea of a joke.

It shouldn't take that long to get to the punchline.

Don't forget to give yourself "credit" there, too, as you wrote a few of them gems yourself.

Return to the movie; it's bound to be more entertaining.

Have another slice of pizza, too.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I'm sitting here watching "Man on the Moon" (on cable) so it's making me think that the last 1000 posts are completely fake and someone's idea of a joke.

I was thinking the same about your ‘Blu-ray could be dying’ threads for the last 8 years.

[alchav21]

You guys laugh, but take a look at this Netflix is in the Motion Picture Association. Let's see what this will do to Digital vs Physical!

https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/22/netflix-joins-mpaa/

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys laugh, but take a look at this Netflix is in the Motion Picture Association. Let's see what this will do to Digital vs Physical!

https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/22/netflix-joins-mpaa/

Laugh? Try . It is only logical as they make movies; why wouldn't they want to join?

Netflix has offered some of their original TV content on disc; they may yet offer some of their original movies as well. Whether they joined the MPAA or not, they were going to keep making movies, so no big seismic shift in the industry has occurred with their joining a group that lobbies Hollywood.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys laugh, but take a look at this Netflix is in the Motion Picture Association. Let's see what this will do to Digital vs Physical!

https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/22/netflix-joins-mpaa/

A while back it was all Digital HD with you. Now, it’s Netflix? Have you give up the fight Alchav?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

A while back it was all Digital HD with you. Now, it’s Netflix? Have you give up the fight Alchav?

He just wants physical media to die; it is his obsession.

He probably uses SVOD more than he ever actually buys anything. Just another renter, seldom a buyer.

[stonesfan129]

I prefer a Blu-ray disc when it's a movie I really like and will watch many times. Something I just want to rent or that I don't care much about, I am okay with a VUDU HDX cloud copy.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

A while back it was all Digital HD with you. Now, it’s Netflix? Have you give up the fight Alchav?

Originally Posted by Vilya

He just wants physical media to die; it is his obsession.

He probably uses SVOD more than he ever actually buys anything. Just another renter, seldom a buyer.

Well Wendell got me started with Netflix, but Streaming HD or Subscription are all the same. Even though Netflix doesn't carry my Collection, Amazon does so I feel Streaming is Streaming. The Studios control distribution, and Disc has been the primary way. Now with Netflix joining the Association will they Distribute in Disc, I say no. Netflix is a Streaming Provider and wants to increase their Subscription Service, so they will rely on their Original Content. I have Amazon, Netflix, and Vudu plus all the MA Providers. So to me SVOD or HD Streaming are all the same!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well Wendell got me started with Netflix, but Streaming HD or Subscription is all the same. Even though Netflix doesn't carry my Collection, Amazon does so I feel Streaming is Streaming. The Studios control distribution, and Disc has been the primary way. Now with Netflix joining the Association will they Distribute in Disc, I say no. Netflix is a Streaming Provider and wants to increase their Subscription Service, so they will rely on their Original Content. I have Amazon, Netflix, and Vudu plus all the MA Providers. So to me SVOD or HD Streaming is all the same!

In one way you are right that subscription streaming and digital purchases are the same: you do not own anything with either one. Streaming conveys no ownership, no control over the content, whether you rent it or buy it, and it is in lower quality besides. Convenience is it's main benefit.

Netflix has already released some of its original episodic programming on disc, so the precedent has already been set. Ever heard of Stranger Things, to name just one? Both seasons are on disc. Whether or not they will release more or if they will ever release any of their original movies remains to be seen.

If they do not, there remain other ways to acquire them. Frankly, I have not found all that much of their original stuff to be worth owning. For every Roma caliber film that they make, they also release a whole lot of disposable pablum, much like cable TV channels do. Personally, there are only 3 Netflix original films that I would care to own from what I have seen so far. Some of their stuff is so poor that I do not even finish watching it.

There remain many great films that streaming does not offer, but that disc does. Disc saw 12,530 titles released last year and that is far, far more than what Netflix added in the same period.

For example, in February 2019, Netflix is adding 65 titles while losing 17 for a net gain of 48 titles. This week alone and just on blu-ray and 4K there are 60 new releases. The high def disc formats saw more new titles added this week alone than Netflix will gain in all of February.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...ew-on-netflix/

Let's assume that February 2019 is a slow month for Netflix and let's be generous and say that typically Netflix gains twice as many titles or 96 titles per month. At 96 titles per month average Netflix would only gain 1,152 titles per year. Last year 12,530 titles were released on all disc formats and 2,711 on blu-ray formats. Disc sees more new titles per year than Netflix does by far.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=173

Look up the AFI top 100, even the AFI top 400, films of all time and check how many of them are on Netflix or other subscription services; you will find that a whole lot are missing. Of just the top 10 movies of all time, Netflix has only 2. All of the top 100 are on disc; I have them all in my collection.

I only have 381 of the top 400 on disc; there's always room for improvement, but I bet that's far more than you'll ever find on subscription streaming. The very best of cinema is on disc; you won't find much of it on SVOD.

Vudu fares much better with representing the classics, but Vudu does not offer real ownership, so that's a non-starter right there. I own what I buy, real possession, or it's no sale.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well Wendell got me started with Netflix, but Streaming HD or Subscription are all the same. Even though Netflix doesn't carry my Collection, Amazon does so I feel Streaming is Streaming. The Studios control distribution, and Disc has been the primary way. Now with Netflix joining the Association will they Distribute in Disc, I say no. Netflix is a Streaming Provider and wants to increase their Subscription Service, so they will rely on their Original Content. I have Amazon, Netflix, and Vudu plus all the MA Providers. So to me SVOD or HD Streaming are all the same!

They are absolutely NOT all the same, for a multitude of reasons.