Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

This site is math challenged. I added a single title 3D movie to my collection and my blu-ray count went up 7 and my 4K count went up 6.

Thankfully, I maintain my own list independent of this website. Still, it is bizarre.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

This site is math challenged.

It never gets my numbers right. I import titles from time to time from Movie Collector and this site will duplicate a few titles and show the wrong total. My official total is of BD and UHD BD is 563.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It never gets my numbers right. I import titles from time to time from Movie Collector and this site will duplicate a few titles and show the wrong total. My official total is of BD and UHD BD is 563.

My own list is conservatively numbered. I simply count by title. By my count my blu-rays are at 3,508 plus 104 4K titles for 3,612 total. My DVD total is 3,445.

Blu-ray.com math has elevated all totals as they clearly count differently than I do.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Check the Link below this was part of the Article if you would have clicked some Links. The Streaming Bandwidth hasn't increased because Netflix is well aware of the Low Bandwidths and Caps, and has been working with more efficient algorithms for better Quality.

Originally Posted by Vilya

Netflix has not developed any new more efficient codecs. Streaming bitrates have not changed since 2015, even Vudu's own engineering head said as much in the quote from him that I cited awhile back. The article you just cited talks about Netflix's encoding efforts back in 2015!

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Actually I have observed several Netflix shows using lower bit rates than in the past. Just one example, early House of Cards UHD showed 16Mbps, the last season showed 15.2Mbps. Seen even more data reduction with Hemlock Grove HD, went from about 6.5Mbps to 4.8Mbps.

I never said Bandwidths had increased, Netflix has been working with their existing. You guys read into what I say. Even though I haven't been with their Streaming that long, I am impressed. In the short time I have seen their Movies and Shows, I can tell their Quality has gone up. Netflix is a Pioneer in Streaming, and I can tell they want to remain in the Drivers Seat!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I never said Bandwidths had increased, Netflix has been working with their existing. You guys read into what I say. Even though I haven't been with their Streaming that long, I am impressed. In the short time I have seen their Movies and Shows, I can tell their Quality has gone up. Netflix is a Pioneer in Streaming, and I can tell they want to remain in the Drivers Seat!

No one is arguing about your liking Netflix. Like whatever you like and post how much you like it to your heart's content. As you have only recently acquired Netflix, thanks to Wendell's generosity, you have no reference frame in which to compare their quality over time. There is ZERO objective data that proves that their streaming quality has improved. No new encoding methods have been recently deployed by Netflix and no positive changes in their streaming bitrates have occurred. The data does not lie. They are essentially the same now as they were in the last half of 2015, same as the other SVOD services. Stagnant.

The problem arises when you add stuff to a news article that it does not contain. The last article you cited talks about Netflix's encoding efforts from 2015! You stated that they were working on this now and cited this old information as your "proof." Showing us what Netflix was working on in 2015 does not prove anything about what they are doing now.

Additionally, you then tried to cite encoding work that was not proven to be happening in the first place as a reason for their joining the MPAA. You have not provided any evidence that Netflix is currently doing anything regarding their encodes; you are just speculating that they are. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, but without proof of such work you can not then say it is a reason for their joining the MPAA. No news story gave that as a reason; you made it all up.

With Netflix joining the MPAA, you gave false reasons for their doing so that were not mentioned in any news article on the subject. You added your own opinions and tried passing them off as actual news.

If you want to speculate as to what a news story may mean, that's different, but you can not pass off your opinions as being facts contained in the news story itself.

The news listed the following reasons for Netflix joining the MPAA: copyright and anti piracy concerns, tax credits, and expansion into the Chinese market. They also pointed out that Netflix left the Internet Association because this group opposes many of the MPAA's positions on piracy and copyright issues. These are the stated reasons reported in multiple news stories as to why Netflix quit the IA and joined the MPAA. Everything you said about their joining the MPAA was just your opinion; no news story supported any of what you said on the matter, but you stated your opinions as if they were reported facts.

You have to be able to distinguish between what an article actually says versus what you think it means. You can certainly discuss what you think it means, just don't try to pass your opinion off as anything other than your take on the matter.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You're persistent if you're nothing else.

No one is going to "sacrifice" their TV. You sound like some weird cultist prepping his altar for a dark arcane ritual.

If 5G proves to work well, it is possible that some people might dump their traditional ISP. I would dump mine in a heartbeat just because I hate their monopolistic stranglehold on the market here where I live. Even if I did, how I use the internet, and how I watch content, would not change just because I switched internet service providers. I, like most people, will watch content on the best device available. When I am at home the best device is my TV.

Do I need to keep posting links that show how great TV sales are doing, year after year, or would it just be simpler to assume that you will ignore such evidence, as you always do, while also providing no evidence to support anything that you predict? I'll go with the latter; it's not easy
banging your heart (head) against some mad bugger's wall.

Ahhhhh, but what if 5G is deemed to be unsafe for residential use? 5G small cell radiation for example? Then we have a straight choice. Fast mobile or fast broadband. Like I said, will people continue paying two bills?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ahhhhh, but what if 5G is deemed to be unsafe for residential use? 5G small cell radiation for example? Then we have a straight choice. Fast mobile or fast broadband. Like I said, will people continue paying two bills?

Radiation...hmmmm ...it would just make me more radiant than ever! Fast mobile, fast broadband, and fast cooking! What's not to love?

As for paying two bills? Most probably will; they are already conditioned to do so.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Radiation...hmmmm ...it would just make me more radiant than ever! Fast mobile, fast broadband, and fast cooking! What's not to love?

As for paying two bills? Most probably will; they are already conditioned to do so.

It seems to be (imo) a very real (potential) problem. Not a laughing matter.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It seems to be (imo) a very real (potential) problem. Not a laughing matter.

If it poses a real threat to our health, then it should not be allowed, and of course I would be against it.

I can joke about it while the jury is still out at least.

[octagon]

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

This is relating to small cell deployment mostly, not 5G mobile as I understand it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It never gets my numbers right. I import titles from time to time from Movie Collector and this site will duplicate a few titles and show the wrong total. My official total is of BD and UHD BD is 563.

I asked one of the moderators about this and he explained what happened with my counts jumping up the way they did.

My Peanuts 4K holiday set used to count as 3 titles and now it counts as 9. Each of the three headline titles include two bonus episodes making for 9 total episodes. 9-3=6 and that 6 is exactly the discrepancy I had noticed. Another perplexing mystery solved!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s not made up. You must know that smart TVs can gather information about users. It stands to reason that if Huawei are banned from the U.S (they are releasing TV sets soon or have started I believe) as well as TCL and Hisense would be included in that as well.

Sure, it’s phones that have been mentioned but the ban would be all smart products in my opinion. If I read correctly, TCL are also funded by the Chinese government. Less competition is not a good thing for the tv industry and don’t forget, it was strongly rumoured that Sony we’re going to stop manufacturing TVs before 4K sales took off in the last two years.

but can't you see the forest for the trees. If the US does ban devices partially made in China that can eaves drop on their owners then Phones will be #1 and the mobile market will be massively hurt. It is easy to build a none smart TV or even a smart TV without camera or microphone to spy on you.

[dublinbluray108]

One important thing that I have learned between 5G & Fibre is that 5G cannot work without Fibre at all if Fibre broadband does not have sufficient backend capacity to provide 5G. I have reading from certain people online have been telling me that if you're using 5G as your only source for a broadband connection at home; Fibre is the only sole way to support & receive your connection. If you don't have Fibre supporting your 5G connection while you watch stuff from Netflix or AP; the connection would drop like a stone & it would instantly go dead. And that means no Netflix or AP or any other streaming service with your internet if your 5G connection gets cut off from you instantly. When building Fibre networks; people cannot pick between one or the other when talking about having 5G or Fibre. They need to have both services to feed off connections against each other for them to actually work in the right way.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Vizio is a manufacturer of lower priced TVs and they are completely analogous to TCL and Hisense as they all sell TVs in the same price ranges.

Vizio would remain even if your baseless prediction of Chinese TVs being banned from the U.S. market were to occur along with every other manufacturer all of whom have lower priced TVs among their offerings.

Anyone shopping TCL and Hisense would also be considering Vizio.

the last plant to assemble TVs in the US closed last August http://time.com/5361394/tv-factory-c...trump-tariffs/.

Don't know if things have changed but last I checked all Vizio TVs are manufactured in China, Vizio just rebrands them and pretends to be US.

So depending on what kind of insane ban we are talking about they could also be affected.


the lunicy is not in his view that if there is a ban on TVs using Chinese components that can spy on the homeowner that many of the TVs (if not all) on the shelf will dissapear. But the insanity that he is forgetting that a mobile device is a mobile devbice and a TV is a TV. Manufacturers can remove the smart components and in a wink of an eye re-stock the shelves with none smart TVs that don't have mics and cameras. A ban to stop the Chinese from using our toys against us would on the other hand completely anhilate the smart phone market. So such a ban would decimate his view of the future where everyone is watching on their phones instead of the TV market where TV manufacturers will just have an excuse to drop features.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the last plant to assemble TVs in the US closed last August http://time.com/5361394/tv-factory-c...trump-tariffs/.

Don't know if things have changed but last I checked all Vizio TVs are manufactured in China, Vizio just rebrands them and pretends to be US.

So depending on what kind of insane ban we are talking about they could also be affected.


the lunicy is not in his view that if there is a ban on TVs using Chinese components that can spy on the homeowner that many of the TVs (if not all) on the shelf will dissapear. But the insanity that he is forgetting that a mobile device is a mobile devbice and a TV is a TV. Manufacturers can remove the smart components and in a wink of an eye re-stock the shelves with none smart TVs that don't have mics and cameras. A ban to stop the Chinese from using our toys against us would on the other hand completely anhilate the smart phone market. So such a ban would decimate his view of the future where everyone is watching on their phones instead of the TV market where TV manufacturers will just have an excuse to drop features.

You could just as easily substitute the name Apple for Vizio in that underlined statement and TVs for phones.

Vizio and Apple are American companies in the legal sense, if not the literal one, and if they had to they would build their stuff in next door India or somewhere else where cheap labor was plentiful.

I am well aware of the irony that our phones are made in China and that a hypothetical ban on one tech product from China would likely ripple out to include phones, and much more, all of which just makes the idea of such a ban all the more ridiculous in the first place. When the premise is flawed to begin with, there is no need to extrapolate from it.

Tech toys from China are not being banned and there is not even any credible discussion of it as a remote possibility. TV prices are not going to skyrocket as a result of a ban that won't even happen. People will not switch to their phones because they can no longer afford a TV. Phones that are built in China won't be replacing TVs that are built in China. It is all unsupported and ludicrous speculation from someone with a persistent peculiar phone phobia.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I decided to watch my dvd copy of the 1953 version of The War Of The Worlds. I have to say for a DVD, that it looked better than decent upscaled by my Oppo 203 and viewed upon my 4K TV. I fully expect that the Vudu 4K stream looks far better, but this DVD edition also included a lot of great extras.

It had two commentary tracks, one with the cast and another with the crew. It had a really enjoyable 30 minute making of documentary with both cast and crew. It also had a 10 minute mini-feature about the author H.G. Wells. The best extra of all was that it included the hour long original October 30, 1938 radio broadcast starring Orson Welles that incited a nationwide panic at the time. It also contained the original theatrical trailer.

I went to Vudu to see if any of these extras were included with the digital version that they sell, but there was no mention of any of them, so I can only assume that they are not included. A real shame, if so, because these extras really added to my enjoyment of this classic sci-fi movie. That, and actually owning the title, make the DVD a better choice in my opinion.

Itunes has some of those features you speak of. But unless you have an Apple TV it may be best to wait until Paramount joints movies anywhere and you can watch em on the MA app.

Or you can buy it now and the features will port when they do

4k stream>dvd

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

Itunes has some of those features you speak of. But unless you have an Apple TV it may be best to wait until Paramount joints movies anywhere and you can watch em on the MA app.

Or you can buy it now and the features will port when they do

4k stream>dvd

I acknowledged that the 4K stream would all but certainly look better than the dvd. It would be pathetic if it didn't. I suspect that seeing all of those strings in 4K resolution that hold up the Martian spaceships might ruin the movie unless they were digitally removed and doing that would cue cries of "revisionism!" among some. You can even see some of them on the dvd, but they are easier to ignore in standard definition.

I really enjoyed having those extras and the DVD included them. Plus, it had that pesky ownership thing going for it that control freaks like me can't seem to get over.

Not that I am going to ever buy any digital movies, but are extra features generally listed before deciding to purchase a digital title, like they would be listed on the back cover of a disc package, or do they come as a "surprise" afterwards, if they come at all?

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I acknowledged that the 4K stream would all but certainly look better than the dvd. It would be pathetic if it didn't. I suspect that seeing all of those strings in 4K resolution that hold up the Martian spaceships might ruin the movie unless they were digitally removed and doing that would cue cries of "revisionism!" among some. You can even see some of them on the dvd, but they are easier to ignore in standard definition.

I really enjoyed having those extras and the DVD included them. Plus, it had that pesky ownership thing going for it that control freaks like me can't seem to get over.

Not that I am going to ever buy any digital movies, but are extra features generally listed before deciding to purchase a digital title, like they would be listed on the back cover of a disc package, or do they come as a "surprise" afterwards, if they come at all?

They're usually listed under the vudu extras section. Check out the recent Suspiria for example. Then I always check MA for titles that are from partnered studios as the features from other providers port(usually iTunes)

[stonesfan129]

I like VUDU for streaming movies. Yeah I get that it isn't as high quality as a disc. But it's more convenient and doesn't take up any space. And a lot of stuff comes out earlier on it than the disc.