Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s human nature to judge, every single one of us does it on a constant basis.

Be that as it may, I think there are a few famous passages in some pretty significant tomes across many cultures that advise to resist doing so.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why should I care? Anything that could potentially effect my enjoyment or indeed the availability of movies and my HT in general MAKES me care. Any trends, any behaviour all has a chain reaction. Mass adoption of habits/tech can impact me, therefore I have every right to be concerned. I was virtually born in the cinema, film is a lifelong passion of mine.

Sounds like this is more of a YOUR problem then, mate.

Just like your priorities in life is cinema, other people have their own priorities, where cinema, let alone physical media, is just an insignificant blip on their radar.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Sounds like this is more of a YOUR problem then, mate.

Just like your priorities in life is cinema, other people have their own priorities, where cinema, let alone physical media, is just an insignificant blip on their radar.

My priority is my family. I shouldn’t need to say that on a popular HT forum. I am passionate about HT. I presume others on here are too. If not? What the **** are you doing on here?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Be that as it may, I think there are a few famous passages in some pretty significant tomes across many cultures that advise to resist doing so.

Impossible. Every single one of us judges. The second you meet someone, you are judging. It’s human nature. Always will be.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

As usual, you twist things to suit your own narrative. People watching movies at home is every bit as important as watching them at the cinema and should be celebrated.

Even if they're watching those movies at home on a laptop or a tablet? Should that be celebrated too?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Impossible. Every single one of us judges. The second you meet someone, you are judging. It’s human nature. Always will be.

Please. If you want to sneer at how other people spend their own time and their own money then by all means, knock yourself out.

Just stop trying to rationalize it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Even if they're watching those movies at home on a laptop or a tablet? Should that be celebrated too?

Nope. As you keep telling me, tv sizes are increasing. A good HT should feature a good sized tv. The smaller the device, the less immersive.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My priority is my family. I shouldn’t need to say that on a popular HT forum. I am passionate about HT. I presume others on here are too. If not? What the **** are you doing on here?

I like physical media, too. But I also like digital media. They can and do coexist in my HT world. Hell, if you loathe digital media so much, write to the forum owners/studios and have them shut down the digital media subforums/digital marketplace, and such.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Please. If you want to sneer at how other people spend their own time and their own money then by all means, knock yourself out.

Just stop trying to rationalize it.

I’m stating a fact. You (you personally) judge other human beings every single day. We all do.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I like physical media, too. But I also like digital media. They can and do coexist in my HT world. Hell, if you loathe digital media so much, write to the forum owners/studios and have them shut down the digital media subforums/digital marketplace, and such.

I would if I could.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Nope. As you keep telling me, tv sizes are increasing. A good HT should feature a good sized tv. The smaller the device, the less immersive.

And where exactly is the line between Cause for Celebration and Cause for Alarm?

How big does my screen have to be to make watching movies on it as important as watching them in the cinema?

How small does my screen have to be before watching a movie on it is a threat to movie-making itself?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m stating a fact. You (you personally) judge other human beings every single day. We all do.

Yes but we're not all dicks about it.

And those of us who are dicks about it? Some of us own that. Others, not so much. They deflect and rationalize.

Me? I prefer just owning it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Impossible. Every single one of us judges. The second you meet someone, you are judging. It’s human nature. Always will be.

I believe that I used the word "resist." While making personal judgments is one thing, pronouncing them is entirely another. It is the latter that you are advised to resist and refrain from doing.

I am not claiming to be especially good at it myself, but while you can argue that our natures are ingrained, our behaviors are a choice.

We behave as well, or as badly, as we choose.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I believe that I used the word "resist." While making personal judgments is one thing, pronouncing them is entirely another. It is the latter that you are advised to resist and refrain from doing.

I am not claiming to be especially good at it myself, but while you can argue that our natures are ingrained, our behaviors are a choice.

We behave as well, or as badly, as we choose.

We have still made those judgements though. Human nature has reared its ugly head.

Is suppression not a ugly word in some contexts? One ugly act replaces another.

It all ties back to human nature. By your reckoning, it’s ok to think something bad but not to say it. Nope, I’m sorry. It’s still bad behaviour to think bad of someone or something or to make negative judgement. All we are doing by not expressing that is sweeping it under the carpet. We are a ugly, nasty race of beings.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We have still made those judgements though. Human nature has reared its ugly head.

Is suppression not a ugly word in some contexts? One ugly act replaces another.

The terms you are flailing for are self-control, filtering, and compassion. Not every thought I have should be expressed aloud. I never said it was "okay" to think badly or unjustly towards another person, but speaking such aloud only makes it immeasurably more egregious.

I make judgements, but I also recognize that many, if not even most, are based off of insufficient information, emotional cues, and are outright superficial sometimes. Should I announce all of my judgments even if I know that they are flawed and are likely hurtful? Even if accurate, should I speak my mind no matter the injury I cause?

Of course not. You should strive to exercise restraint because our judgments are often based on very little, are faulty, and we should show compassion as being cruel is indefensible.

A long while back I shared the old poem titled The Three Gates. I won't repeat it in full again, but it gave three criteria that should govern whether we speak or remain silent.

The first criteria is that what we are saying is true.

The second criteria is to ask if speaking this truth is needful? What is our purpose in saying it? Is it to help, to show-off, or is it to cause injury?

The final criteria is to ask ourselves is what we are about to say kind?

What is to be spoken should meet all three criteria or we should remain quiet. Is it true, needful, and is it kind? If you can not articulate your needful truth kindly, then do not speak at all.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The terms you are flailing for are self-control and compassion. Not every thought I have should be expressed aloud. I never said it was "okay" to think badly or unjustly towards another person, but speaking such aloud only makes it immeasurably more egregious.

I make judgements, but I also recognize that many, if not even most, are based off of insufficient information, emotional cues, and are outright superficial sometimes. Should I announce all of my judgments even if I know that they are flawed and are likely hurtful? Even if accurate, should I speak my mind no matter the injury I cause?

Of course not. You should strive to exercise restraint because our judgments are often based on very little, are faulty, and we should show compassion as being cruel is indefensible.

Where was your compassion over the last few months when you have replied with venom and insults imo. You have spoke your mind. Is the written word so different to the spoken word Vilya? Please explain how. Couldn’t your posts be construed as cruel?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Where was your compassion over the last few months when you have replied with venom and insults imo. You have spoke your mind. Is the written word so different to the spoken word Vilya? Please explain how. Couldn’t your posts be construed as cruel?

I just said just four posts above that I am not particularly good at it myself, but make no mistake if my behavior was bad it is no justification for anyone else to behave that way.

I am stating a time honored principle. I never said I was better at applying it than was anyone else. It is something to strive towards and it is a good principle no matter my personal success in adopting it. My behavior, good or bad, defines me. Your behavior defines you.

A human resource director once told me that the intention behind my words did not matter, but that the reaction to them did. The road to hell being paved with the former.

The cruelty and hurt I have inflicted in this life testify to my own shame the same as do yours. Every new moment we get a chance to do better going forward.

I think of myself as a work in progress and maybe by the time I am 100 I will be a half-way decent human being.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I just said just four posts above that I am not particularly good at it myself, but make no mistake if my behavior was bad it is no justification for anyone else to behave that way.

I am stating a time honored principle. I never said I was better at applying it than was anyone else. It is something to strive towards and it is a good principle no matter my personal success in adopting it. My behavior, good or bad, defines me. Your behavior defines you.

I think of myself as a work in progress and maybe by the time I am 100 I will be a half-way decent human being.

I feel I don’t need to say anymore on this particular topic. Thank you.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

That "junk" is a restoration project that might be really worth something if only they ever actually completed the work. I have known a few people who attempted to restore some old clunker to mint condition that never got it done. These type of projects almost always go way over budget and take far longer to finish than they estimated.

I had a friend who spent years trying to restore a 1967 Chevy Camaro RS convertible; this is as far as he ever got with it:

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Believe it or not, it looked far worse than this when he first started on it.

I Love Camaro's, I had two of them, a 1967 and a 1972. Both were brand new, and ran Fantastic, Stick Shift of course!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I Love Camaro's, I had two of them, a 1967 and a 1972. Both were brand new, and ran Fantastic, Stick Shift of course!

I only ever owned a 1980 Camaro Berlinetta T-Top and a 1984 Z-28 and they were fun, but they were also money pits that needed constant repair.

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[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I, for one, have never said that Vudu's quality was "horrible." Netflix and Vudu have been the most reliable SVODs for me and they have offered consistently good quality. I use both. But "good" isn't the same as "best" and this is an enthusiast website where quality IS one of the biggest considerations for many of us.

I definitely agree that discs are higher quality. But the difference with, say, Blu-ray and VUDU HDX, is not that big.