Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ok, so let’s say Twitter wins the rights to NFL in 2022. What happens? What is your view? Bear in mind Twitter have just disposed of some of their tv apps.

I simply believe that the sports leagues want to increase their viewership and one of the ways they can do this is to increase the ways in which a fan can watch, not decrease them. I do not believe that they would sell exclusive rights to any entity that precluded viewing on TV. The loss of TV sourced revenue and the angry outcry from fans would be staggering.

Social media interactive functionality can be realized without removing sports events from the TV for those who even want such abilities. Again, they just want you to tune in; they do not care what device you use so long as you use something to watch their programming. The more ways that they provide fans to watch, the greater the likelihood that more fans will indeed do so.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

The vast majority of all income in the entertainment industry comes from ad revenue and all the studios have been way more successful in pushing ads on broadcast, satellite, and cable TV then they have been on streaming. In the United States TV ad revenue makes more than double the income from streaming subscriptions, video on demand, physical media, and box office sales combined.

Approximately $80 billion from ad revenue on TV. And another $80 billion from cable and satellite TV subscriptions.
Approximately $35 billion from all other home media and box office combined (only $13 billion from streaming subscriptions).

Anyone who thinks that TV is going away is crazy. While streaming is struggling to make a profit (Netflix is billions of dollars in debt), TV remains a cash cow.

Yeah but social media streaming/ads is a different kettle of fish.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah but social media streaming/ads is a different kettle of fish.

Which will likely make hundreds of billions of dollars as well over the coming years, but it's not going to kill off TV. They'll continue to cater to different audiences.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I'm not a sports fan, but the ones that I do know are a VERY vocal bunch. Here's looking at you! They would all but riot if their beloved games disappeared from the TV. I can see those Green Bay Packer fans in their cheese wedge hats carrying torches and pitchforks already!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Do you at least agree though, if it did happen, it would potentially kill off the tv screen?

You're not a Sports Fan Vilya, I'm surprised, but Big Screen TV's are not going anywhere! I had a Super Bowl Party at my house, because a lady with a 40" TV wanted us to go to her house to watch the game. I said no way we are watching it on my Big Screen.....My beloved Rams Lost!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're not a Sports Fan Vilya, I'm surprised, but Big Screen TV's are not going anywhere! I had a Super Bowl Party at my house, because a lady with a 40" TV wanted us to go to her house to watch the game. I said no way we are watching it on my Big Screen.....My beloved Rams Lost!

The highlight reel is good enuff for me and I watch it on my TV. I read that this year's Super Bowl was a snooze fest besides. I was watching movies during the Big Snore, er, uh,... Game.

Oddly enough, I do like movies about various sports.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You guys paint the picture that kids and teens will switch to the TV set when they get older and hsve less free time.

Not exactly. Kids watch TV sets now. They watch TV programs now. They go to theaters now.

You're the one painting the black-and-white, all this way or all the other picture. Kids won't need to 'switch' to big screens down the road, they like big screens now. It's not the only thing they like but it's definitely one of the things they like.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Twitter or Facebook could buy complete rights though. What then? Also, I don’t think Twitch web based extensions can be adapted for tv. Twitch is a huge streaming service.

TVs are android devices. The interfaces are different but the basic platforms are not.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Do you at least agree though, if it did happen, it would potentially kill off the tv screen?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ok, so let’s say Twitter wins the rights to NFL in 2022. What happens? What is your view? Bear in mind Twitter have just disposed of some of their tv apps.

What would happen if the NFL signed an exclusive contract with a streaming provider?

TV manufacturers and Roku and Tivo and everybody else who has a piece of the hardware pie would trample each other in a rush to add that streaming provider to their interface.

And if for some reason they couldn't do that people who used to watch pro football on Sunday and mow their lawns on Saturday would start mowing their lawns on Sunday and watching college football on Saturday. If people couldn't watch NFL games on TVs NFL ratings would tank.

And then the NFL would get a new commissioner who would either try to ride out that poorly conceived contract or hire an army of lawyers to undo it.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah but social media streaming/ads is a different kettle of fish.

Indeed they are and the rational way to approach these various kettles of various fish is to try to dip your beak in all of them rather than limiting yourself to just one.

The NFL can be stupid about a lot of things but TV ain't one of them.

More than any other sport they pay a lot of attention to growing their fanbase. When cable came along they instituted rules that said local games had to be broadcast on free OTA channels. They jumped on Spanish language simulcasts. And when they created their own cable channel in an attempt to try to cut out various middlemen they pulled back on their own exclusivity arrangements so as not to piss off fans.

The NFL is also - as billionaires tend to be - fairly conservative and risk-averse.

They're not going to just write off the tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people who watch their products on TVs at home or go to bars or restaurants to watch their products on TVs cause you know kids like phones.

Tell those vultures to pace themselves, they're going to be up there for a while.

[avs commenter]

Twitter, Amazon and Facebook already have rights to sporting events. Still, no one watches them on their phone. Those sites have streaming platforms on every device out there and people watch it on their TV.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're not a Sports Fan Vilya, I'm surprised, but Big Screen TV's are not going anywhere! I had a Super Bowl Party at my house, because a lady with a 40" TV wanted us to go to her house to watch the game. I said no way we are watching it on my Big Screen.....My beloved Rams Lost!

40??? You might as well watch it on a phone

[avs commenter]

I don't think Steedeel understands how Twitter works and how it's changed the way we watch and interact with sports for the better. Everyone is watching it on their TV and interacting with it on twitter in real time. Can't do both at same time on same device.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Twitter, Amazon and Facebook already have rights to sporting events. Still, no one watches them on their phone. Those sites have streaming platforms on every device out there and people watch it on their TV.

I would think some people watch some games on their phones.

One of the cooler aspects of the various online platforms is the ability to get out-of-market games. Another is the ability to check in on or just plain watch games when you're not by a TV.

Truly portable TVs - not just portable in the sense that you could move them from room to room or out to your yard - were pretty useless for anything but sports. You'd see them in RVs, I guess but mostly it was sports fans.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I don't think Steedeel understands how Twitter works and how it's changed the way we watch and interact with sports for the better. Everyone is watching it on their TV and interacting with it on twitter in real time. Can't do both at same time on same device.

I made a similar comment a while ago about movies and TV shows. If someone is obsessed with constantly checking and updating social media on their phone then they'll need a TV for watching movies and TV shows at the same time. Every minute spent watching mobile video is time that their phone can't be used for other things.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The highlight reel is good enuff for me and I watch it on my TV. I read that this year's Super Bowl was a snooze fest besides. I was watching movies during the Big Snore, er, uh,... Game.

Oddly enough, I do like movies about various sports.

You don't understand the game, I think it was Fantastic it was tied at 3-3 in the Forth Quarter purely defensive. That last drive by New England sealed it for them. The Rams had a last ditch effort, but Jared Goff was intercepted. That killed all their chances. People like high scoring games, but if you understand Football it was a Great Game!

I want to add one more thing, I was at my Costco today and their Movie section was gone. I asked one of their Staff and she said they will only stock Movies on end of year or special offerings. She said no one is buying Movies anymore.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You don't understand the game, I think it was Fantastic it was tied at 3-3 in the Forth Quarter purely defensive. That last drive by New England sealed it for them. The Rams had a last ditch effort, but Jared Goff was intercepted. That killed all their chances. People like high scoring games, but if you understand Football it was a Great Game!

Oh please, I understand the game; so much so that I don't bother watching it. I'd rather watch a movie with a football theme than to watch an actual protracted commercial choked live game. If you ever looked at my movie collection, you'd find that I have quite a few sports themed movies. I even own the TV series Friday Night Lights as well as the movie of the same name.

It was widely reported in the news that the game was a bore and that even the half-time show was a letdown. If you enjoyed it, that's great, but I have better uses for 4+ hours of my time. I think I watched The Nun while it was on.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by alchav21

People like high scoring games, but if you understand Football it was a Great Game!

Yeah, not so much.

I'm sure it was a real nail-biter for people who cared about who won but great games are exciting whether one has skin in the game or not.

And this one really wasn't. It had its moments but they were few and far between.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You don't understand the game, I think it was Fantastic it was tied at 3-3 in the Forth Quarter purely defensive. That last drive by New England sealed it for them. The Rams had a last ditch effort, but Jared Goff was intercepted. That killed all their chances. People like high scoring games, but if you understand Football it was a Great Game!

I want to add one more thing, I was at my Costco today and their Movie section was gone. I asked one of their Staff and she said they will only stock Movies on end of year or special offerings. She said no one is buying Movies anymore.

I am a Costco member and am there every other week as they truly are a great way to save money on most things, but their movie prices were not competitive at all. They were usually $2 to $3 higher than BB or Target for new releases. Plus their selection was pretty anemic. I expect that the employee was talking about the fact that nobody was buying from them, since she probably did not have knowledge of the entire industry. Just a guess.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I want to add one more thing, I was at my Costco today and their Movie section was gone. I asked one of their Staff and she said they will only stock Movies on end of year or special offerings. She said no one is buying Movies anymore.

Why do you insist on telling us these goofy anecdotes? If no one is buying movies anymore, why would Costco carry them at all, even as a "special offering?" A "special offering" of unsellable merchandise sounds pretty special alright, special as in special education .

None of your anecdotes prove anything and certainly not that people stopped buying movies on disc. I have not bought a movie at Costco ever, yet I manage to find plenty to buy every single week and have for over three decades. Maybe that's because there are many other places that sell them?

I was at Rural King last week and they do not sell any digital movies! The clerk told me that nobody wants them. My story proves exactly as much as yours does.

We have actual sales data that tells us how much people are spending on physical media.

The Home Video Sales thread tracks all of this information. It is factual. It is verifiable. We do not need these dumb stories of yours; they do not refute the facts.

We had 12,530 titles released on disc last year and this has been consistent for the last four years. Blu-ray releases specifically saw an increase in the number of titles released by +12.86% compared to 2017. Disc sales tallied $4.108 Billion last year. 4K disc sales are up 83% globally for 2018. Not only does the sales data prove you and your silly story wrong, simple common sense does.

People buy movies on physical disc; get out of your echo chamber for once. While you are at it, shove that damn emoji up your hindquarters if your perpetually lodged head allows room for it.

[Show spoiler]And the Rams lost because they suck.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1057

[Steedeel]

Here in the U.K, football is our number one sport. Recently a new platform has released that allows lower league teams the chance to watch live games from their club throughout the season. It’s called Ifollow. I understand it’s reasonably popular in the U.S for overseas football fans as well. Now, this new digital service cannot be used on smart tv, streaming devices, sticks, or cast via AirPlay 2 or Chromecast. In other words, it’s only available on mobile and desktop devices. Now, the Premier League still broadcast live to TVs across the country but I wonder how long before they also go this route. That route basically cuts out the middle man and goes direct to the customer for each individual team. I suppose that could happen with NFL and the other major sports.

Before you guys say that you don’t care what happens here because the U.S loves it’s big screens and sports, well at this moment, so does the U.K. we have smaller country yes, but we have over 90% tv household penetration (yes, I know what you guys will say but future developments and all that).

So, what I am saying is, being the supporter of a lower league team (only temporarily ) I would be unable to watch my teams game on the big screen if I didn’t have a season ticket and couldn’t attend the game in person.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

.......In other words, it’s only available on mobile and desktop devices. Now, the Premier League still broadcast live to TVs across the country but I wonder how long before they also go this route.

If Sky ever went along that route mate, then I'd finish with them for good. I have no intention of paying a subscription to watch football on anything other than my TV. With the frequency at which they keep jacking up subscription costs with less live (European) football, I'm almost at a point where I'm looking for an excuse to ditch Sky.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I suppose that could happen with NFL and the other major sports.

You suppose a lot of things; you're a regular suppository manufacturer.

I think you need to revisit PenguinInfinity's post about TV advertising revenue again. A single 30 second ad during the most recent Super Bowl cost $5.25 million. That is enough money to buy 32 YEARS worth of mobile advertising. The NFL and others are not going to forsake TV broadcasts and give up billions of dollars in TV sourced revenue. 103.4 Million people watched the Super Bowl this year according to Nielsen TV ratings. The last nine Super Bowls have had over 100 million TV viewers each.

"the Super Bowl is the pinnacle for advertising because of the unparalleled audience."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...and-leaks-info

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...op-commercials

The big sports leagues will NEVER relinquish that kind of audience or ad revenue.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You suppose a lot of things; you're a regular suppository manufacturer.

I think you need to revisit PenguinInfinity's post about TV advertising revenue again. A single 30 second ad during the most recent Super Bowl cost $5.25 million. That is enough money to buy 32 YEARS worth of mobile advertising. The NFL and others are not going to forsake TV broadcasts and give up billions of dollars in TV sourced revenue. 103.4 Million people watched the Super Bowl this year according to Nielsen TV ratings. The last nine Super Bowls have had over 100 million TV viewers each.

"the Super Bowl is the pinnacle for advertising because of the unparalleled audience."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...and-leaks-info

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...op-commercials

The big sports leagues will NEVER relinquish that kind of audience or ad revenue.

Well, the Premier league certainly qualifies a big sports league. It’s watched worldwide.