Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

What i said was facts. That's the entire point of MA.

I defend both but as someone who lives in a 1BR apt and has no more shelf space I have become partial to streaming. Especially for newer titles.


I will always upgrade my favorites to 4K disc day one since its replacing my blus which i give away. Karate Kid up next

Nah, your digital bias stinks up the thread.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Nah, your digital bias stinks up the thread.

Still have more 4K than you. So do posters without 4k TVs!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Still have more 4K than you. So do posters without 4k TVs!

I will soon remedy that.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

What's really absurd is the people who think that physical media is dying but there preferred digital provider will last forever. At it's peak DVD was making over $20 Billion each year. All digital purchases combined are currently making less than $3 Billion. If DVD and Blu-ray can fall than so can iTunes and Vudu.

The difference is if DVD and Blu-ray die then all our discs will still work. If iTunes or Vudu die all of their digital purchases will be lost.

Originally Posted by flyry

No because our movies would still be on amazon fandangonow google and Microsoft if that happened #moviesanywhere

Some of you who talk about digital sound like rednecks talking about global warming.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Everything is relative, your defending streaming the way you do makes you sound like a .......... to me. Better if we just stick to facts.

Penguin nothing last forever, but Technology moves on. Home Video started with VHS, then DVD, to BD then 4K, and now Streaming. The main factors are Convenience, Cost, and Quality, but the General Public mainly cares about Convenience and Cost. Quality only comes into play when it distracts from their viewing prospective.

The only thing Disc people have to consider is the Perceived Ownership, because like I said it's all Digital on Servers, and Disney with Deep Pockets has changed the playing field. MA can access all your Providers, there are only a few that are not included. Disc people say that Quality is a big factor, especially Sound, but if connected properly with a High End Streaming Device the Sound should increase with the Codec and Bitrate.

[oak table]

Originally Posted by flyry

https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-st...ource=facebook

He brought up some interesting points on this now familiar topic. In before vilya

The author asks, "When was the last time you watched a Blu-ray or a DVD?"

My answer is: Today, yesterday, and the day before. I watch physical media each and every week.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by oak table

The author asks, "When was the last time you watched a Blu-ray or a DVD?"

My answer is: Today, yesterday, and the day before. I watch physical media each and every week.

I watched one of my Back-up BD a couple of years ago, Surrogates with Bruce Willus. I hate Commercial Discs with all that Junk on them!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by flyry

No because our movies would still be on amazon fandangonow google and Microsoft if that happened #moviesanywhere

If a studio pulls a movie then it'll disappear from all digital providers, Movies Anywhere can't prevent that. Studios can also modify movies on all providers, they've done that already.

Additionally if I'm not mistaken TV shows aren't available on Movies Anywhere. The only way to make sure those remain available in the future is to support the physical releases.

And there are no guarantees that Movies Anywhere will continue to be around years from now, Ultraviolet just folded.

[Forestt]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The only thing Disc people have to consider is the Perceived Ownership, because like I said it's all Digital on Servers, and Disney with Deep Pockets has changed the playing field. MA can access all your Providers, there are only a few that are not included. Disc people say that Quality is a big factor, especially Sound, but if connected properly with a High End Streaming Device the Sound should increase with the Codec and Bitrate.

MA is Unites States-exclusive. The problem outside the US is that distribution rights is scattered as *** between all the countries. First they have to solve that problem before someone can built a digital collection or something like MA can exist. Collecting films on disc is the only way to go for people outside US in terms of availability. The quality-discussion isn't relevant yet.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If a studio pulls a movie then it'll disappear from all digital providers, Movies Anywhere can't prevent that. Studios can also modify movies on all providers, they've done that already.

Additionally if I'm not mistaken TV shows aren't available on Movies Anywhere. The only way to make sure those remain available in the future is to support the physical releases.

And there are no guarantees that Movies Anywhere will continue to be around years from now, Ultraviolet just folded.

You're moving the goalposts. You initially just mentioned itunes and VUDU closing. Now you're talking about movies being pulled and modified.

As for the second part. I'm not sure its correct. For example REC is dubbed in English on most providers but in MA its in its original spanish language. I may need more information on you saying they've done it already.

Iirc some people have said that if a movie is pulled it is still in your vudu or whatever library. But this is such a rare occurence i can't even find anything on it. Just fear mongering if you ask me.

[Mambo]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

. They can also be redistributed via the used market.

and thats why the industry are pushing the whole streaming thing IMHO

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by oak table

The author asks, "When was the last time you watched a Blu-ray or a DVD?"

My answer is: Today, yesterday, and the day before. I watch physical media each and every week.

Clickety click article imo. 4 billion in sales last year suggests plenty are watching Blu-ray and DVD.

What people must als realise is that if the industry drops a format that still brings in billions, then they would do the same for Digital HD as soon as it starts to slide drastically. Considering younger people (in general) don’t want to pay to own stuff, that could be quite soon.

[PenguinInfinity]

I'm actually surprised there continue to be as many Blu-ray players selling (4.2 million players in 2018 according to an article posted earlier). Very few people constantly buy new players. In the last 12 years I've bought thousands of Blu-ray discs but I've only bought 3 Blu-ray players: my first player broke and my second was replaced with a UHD Blu-ray player.

The lower sales of Blu-ray players (and Samsung's departure from the market) therefore hardly means anything. The vast majority of people who continue to buy Blu-ray discs already have players, they don't need to buy new ones.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I'm actually surprised there continue to be as many Blu-ray players selling (4.2 million players in 2018 according to an article posted earlier). Very few people constantly buy new players. In the last 12 years I've bought thousands of Blu-ray discs but I've only bought 3 Blu-ray players: my first player broke and my second was replaced with a UHD Blu-ray player.

The lower sales of Blu-ray players (and Samsung's departure from the market) therefore hardly means anything. The vast majority of people who continue to buy Blu-ray discs already have players, they don't need to buy new ones.

I’m hoping the PS5 plays 4K and regular blurays. That will give me guaranteed access to discs for the next decade at least.

[Steedeel]

https://www.recode.net/2017/7/25/159...annie-comscore



I will just be glad if I have access to films on a large display in my living room 15-20 years from now. I have obsessed about high quality media and I still do but my even greater concern is just the basic ability to watch on my projecttor or tv, regardless of the format I am watching.

I could (eventually) deal with just a living room tv and access to films and tv.

What I couldn’t cope with is no more new films and no access to tv screens. I’m hoping by the time the tipping point of more usage of mobile than tv screens by the mass population of households occurs, I will be gone.

Having said all that, as of 2018 in the U.K., tv households were at the largest ever number with 27 million from 28 million homes. I’m guessing to fall from that number to single digits would take a long time considering people are still buying 4K sets quite rapidly. Maybe even 20-30 years or longer?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Home Video started with VHS, then DVD, to BD then 4K, and now Streaming.

Wrong, again. It started in 1978 with Jaws on MCA DiscoVision, a.k.a. LaserVision and LaserDisc. Movies on βetamax and VHS came later. Next was DVD, D-VHS D-Theater, streaming (Crackle), Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray.

The main factors are Convenience, Cost, and Quality, but the General Public mainly cares about Convenience and Cost. Quality only comes into play when it distracts from their viewing prospective.

Worldwide, most folks get their content via OTA, cable and satellite. SVOD is making gains at the expense of pay TV.

The only thing Disc people have to consider is the Perceived Ownership, because like I said it's all Digital on Servers, and Disney with Deep Pockets has changed the playing field. MA can access all your Providers, there are only a few that are not included.

Perceived ownership? What a dumb statement!!! Disney and MA has changed very little. MA (DMA) has been around for many years now and other studios joined more than a year ago. At this time they only have 6 million accounts. After 8 years UV only had 30 million accounts worldwide. MA is missing Paramount, Lionsgate and MGM.

Disc people say that Quality is a big factor, especially Sound, but if connected properly with a High End Streaming Device the Sound should increase with the Codec and Bitrate.

Another dumb statement!!! Describe a “High End Streaming Device.” The audio codec and bit rate have been fixed for sometime now. Most use Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) with a data rate of only 192Kbps. I am told that streams with DD+/Atmos have a higher data rate. The audio data rate on Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray is many times the data rate of streaming and most are lossless vs lossy for streaming.

[Steedeel]

How do you feel about the longevity of HT Wendell? Do you think the tv will survive the next 15 years?

All the young people seem fascinated with mobile now. It worries me sick to be honest, such is my love for film.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How do you feel about the longevity of HT Wendell? Do you think the tv will survive the next 15 years?

All the young people seem fascinated with mobile now. It worries me sick to be honest, such is my love for film.

Everyone but you thinks TV will survive the next 15 years.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Everyone but you thinks TV will survive the next 15 years.

Penton Man doesn’t, see his post in the HDR section.

[PenguinInfinity]

You mean this post?

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I tend to agree and I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so the phrase “home theater” is so uncommon in social vernacular, that it will need to be explained/defined to the newest generation of screen watchers, like with VHS tape, etc.

Not sure how many here have young children, but I can say that it is NOT unusual for when families actually do sit together in their family or living rooms in front of a TV that is on playing a movie, sports, etc. that the youngsters are watching stuff on their phones instead.

Nothing in it states (or even implies) that TVs will be gone in the future.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You mean this post?



Nothing in it states (or even implies) that TVs will be gone in the future.

If kids need people to explain to them what a tv is (bearing in mind those kids will live with their family) then it’s logical that the tv won’t exist in those households.