Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

AR will be as big of a failure as VR.

This is all your sick delusions. How could someone invite people over to watch the big game with ****ing glasses?

Well, I’m not sure Sony would agree with you. Nearly 4 million sales and from what I have read, over 1 billion in software sales. Not bad for a peripheral. Rumours are that a version 2 of the headset is on its way, alongside the next PS.

AR? AR glasses will have the ability to host content. In other words, others can watch whatever you are watching over 5G with no latency.

[johndoyle123]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Of course the guy that's afraid of progress has no problem with objectifying women as sex objects

Can we return to the topic at hand

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, I’m not sure Sony would agree with you. Nearly 4 million sales and from what I have read, over 1 billion in software sales. Not bad for a peripheral. Rumours are that a version 2 of the headset is on its way, alongside the next PS.

AR? AR glasses will have the ability to host content. In other words, others can watch whatever you are watching over 5G with no latency.

I just don't see any of this ever really taking off. Google glass AR VR etc. Just hype.

3D Was a nice little fad post avatar but that's dead. Even though its fans on here are in denial

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

I just don't see any of this ever really taking off. Google glass AR VR etc. Just hype.

3D Was a nice little fad post avatar but that's dead. Even though its fans on here are in denial

I think VR and AR will both take off but will need a 2nd Generation. With Apple behind AR, it will have a chance. Google Glass was a clunky, primitive system. True AR will be different I think, but the tech to get realistic looking humans and surroundings is still 7-10 years away at least imo. The early versions will focus on cartoon style filters and social media. The big (floating or fixed ) screen will actually come earlier. Full HD should be doable a couple of years after launch.

The tricky aspect will be people who have yearly changes in their prescription. Apple and others need to find a way to have some system in place for that. Apple will need to have a contract with opticians, as prescription AR glasses will need to be adjusted for individuals. That includes Astigmatism, near sightedness and long sightedness. Eye to eye length measurement and focus adjustments will be necessary for the AR element.
Audio wise, from what I have studied, the glasses will have bone conduction audio built in or failing that, will be able to pair up with speakers (Alexa, Homepad etc.. ). The presumption being that these voice controlled assistants will have the option of functioning as stereo speakers for left, right and centre channels.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If it's something that Steedeel doesn't like he will always jump to the conclusion that it will become super popular and replace everything else. He has previously said this about interactive movies, 10 second movies, and mobile video and now he has thrown AR into the mix.

Yep, and 10 second Videos are becoming increasingly more popular. Snapchat stories, Instagram and now I notice Youtube have incorporated them.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bruceames

It means they are shutting down that particular website. The Sony Ultra app will still be available, and I assume they will continue to sell their movies on the service, as well as play movie UHD codes you have (of course). I'll check early next month to verify...

Bruce, what were your findings?

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, and 10 second Videos are becoming increasingly more popular. Snapchat stories, Instagram and now I notice Youtube have incorporated them.

Remember that time snapchat and instagram stories prevented Black Panther from making 700 mil domestic?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by octagon

Sure but over time that could easily cut the other way. As storage and transmission costs drop we could see an environment in which the costs of making even the most obscure deep catalog titles available is practically zero.

In that environment we could see increased access to those kinds of titles.

I remember when cable was rolling out in the 70s and there was all sorts of 'some day down the road' talk of having virtually any movie we wanted available whenever we wanted to watch it. And we're getting there.

Sure, it's clunky and there's a long way to go but we're remarkably close to being able to plop down on our couches and say 'Alexa, show me a Mary Pickford movie'.

I know a lot of people see this glass as half full but it's half full of some pretty amazing stuff.

I completely disagree. From the first sentence you ignored reality.

Let me put it this way can you answer these two questions?

1) why is nNetflix (amazon prime....)producing their own stuff?

2) why is Netflix (amazon prime....)constantly changing the available catalogue


Your starting with the assumption that what costs money is storage and transmition, what realy costs a lot of money is distribution rights to the content. And that will never become insignificant.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Over the years I have posted many times that folks should read the TOS from the studios and the digital rights lockers (UV, MA, etc.). I have pointed out many times the TOS could change at any time, content could be taken down or one would have to pay more to continue viewing content. And you had to agree to all of the above. One of the most common responses: they (studios, MA, UV) would never do that.

that and "what do I care what will happen in 100 years" (or some other rediculous time frame.)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Remember that time snapchat and instagram stories prevented Black Panther from making 700 mil domestic?

The point is, it’s taking time away from movies. Gaming is the biggest culprit, Netflix recognise that fact though, they consider Fortnite a bigger threat than HBO or any streaming service now.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

What's really absurd is the people who think that think physical media is dying but there preferred digital provider will last forever. At it's peak DVD was making over $20 Billion each year. All digital purchases combined are currently making less than $3 Billion. If DVD and Blu-ray can fall than so can iTunes and Vudu.

The difference is if DVD and Blu-ray die then all our discs will still work. If iTunes or Vudu die all of their digital purchases will be lost.

that is definetly one of the differences but what is scarier is that it does not even need to get that far https://twitter.com/drandersgs/statu...70646243414016

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

One thing you guys haven’t considered is AR. In a couple of years, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook and more than likely everyone else are going to give AR glasses a try. So what you say? Well, one of the big use cases for the glasses being touted is the ability to watch a screen the size of your wall. Literally overnight, that could make the TV set obsolete. It would also make discs obsolete as the Augmented reality glasses are 5G and WiFi focussed. It will utilise digital services such as Netflix, Hulu etc..

That scenario (more likely than people think) would give us useless coasters. Yet another reason to despise digital.

you are touching on many subjects so let me separate



1) I hate discussions like this because they don't make any sense to me, to put it into perspective a long time a go a TV was a piece of furniture with a small B&W CRT display imbedded in it




if we limit ourselves to that version TVs have been obsolete for a long time

on the other hand if we describe it as a display where you can watch a show or movie on then everything we think of as a TV today fits the bill but so does your future AR world.

2) there is a reason people watch stuff in dark rooms, part of getting immersed in the experience is shutting everything else out and AR goes totaly against that. I see ar more as a possibility as a next gen smart pnone, makes reading texts while walking easier.

3)the display and source are two different things. To be honest I don't know if there are 4k solutions out there yet, but there are solutions if you want to watch your blu-rays on your phone or tablet (or wirelessly to a display like a smart TV or projector)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

you are touching on many subjects so let me separate



1) I hate discussions like this because they don't make any sense to me, to put it into perspective a long time a go a TV was a piece of furniture with a small B&W CRT display imbedded in it




if we limit ourselves to that version TVs have been obsolete for a long time

on the other hand if we describe it as a display where you can watch a show or movie on then everything we think of as a TV today fits the bill but so does your future AR world.

2) there is a reason people watch stuff in dark rooms, part of getting immersed in the experience is shutting everything else out and AR goes totaly against that. I see ar more as a possibility as a next gen smart pnone, makes reading texts while walking easier.

3)the display and source are two different things. To be honest I don't know if there are 4k solutions out there yet, but there are solutions if you want to watch your blu-rays on your phone or tablet (or wirelessly to a display like a smart TV or projector)

AR wouldn’t be a blackout. You could control that. Your view would be the same as if wearing regular glasses. The screen would be placed in a location of your choosing within your environment. In other words,you can see your living room, your family etc..

[Steedeel]

Anthony, to get a idea where my fears lie, let’s scrap this current conversation if that’s ok. I have a few questions for you.

1. If Blu-ray, DVD or 4K disc ceased to exist, would you still collect films?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Your starting with the assumption that what costs money is storage and transmition, what realy costs a lot of money is distribution rights to the content. And that will never become insignificant.

The distribution rights to deep catalog titles don't cost anything if you already own them.

Go back and reread the post(s) to which I was responding. We were talking studios making (or not making) their catalog titles available if those titles weren't profitable.

I'm suggesting a future in which titles don't have to be particularly profitable in order for studios to make them available because the costs of making them available would be virtually nil.

Is that future certain? Of course not. But I think it's entirely plausible.

Studios are already dabbling with their own streaming services and the costs of providing those services are bound to go down.

It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to envision an environment in which even the deepest, darkest most obscure corners of Warner's catalog library is readily available because it costs next to nothing for Warner to make them available so whatever revenues they generate is all gravy.

But who knows.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anthony, to get a idea where my fears lie, let’s scrap this current conversation if that’s ok. I have a few questions for you.

1. If Blu-ray, DVD or 4K disc ceased to exist, would you still collect films?

I think for the General Public VHS was the introductory and DVD was the Boon, in Movie watching and Collecting. Most people just want to watch a Movie or Show at a reasonable cost, they are really not into collecting anymore. This is why Amazon and Netflix are so popular. To answer your question for Film Buffs here on this Site, I think a combination of Digital and Disc is a good mix. I know Disc people say they will have Disc forever, but with Manufacturers dropping out how long could that be?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think for the General Public VHS was the introductory and DVD was the Boon, in Movie watching and Collecting. Most people just want to watch a Movie or Show at a reasonable cost, they are really not into collecting anymore. This is why Amazon and Netflix are so popular. To answer your question for Film Buffs here on this Site, I think a combination of Digital and Disc is a good mix. I know Disc people say they will have Disc forever, but with Manufacturers dropping out how long could that be?

You are right. The odd movie with mostly subscription services seems to be the way. The battle wasn’t lost with Samsung retreating though, it was lost when HT enthusiasts switched to digital or indeed, created a locker account. We can have the best of both worlds they claimed. No we ******* can’t. This is what happens when Disc declines. I have given up. All is lost and I’m tired of trying to convince people. Screw it.

We don’t even have a option of digital collections in the U.K. even if I wanted to go that route. No MA, just a (imo) shitty redeem site that doesn’t permit TV set playback.

I’m afraid everyone in the U.K. will have to just subscribe to streaming services or rent the odd film digitally. Quite a fall from 4K disc.

Poorer video
Poorer audio

Digital lockers packed with mobile only digital redeems.

Pass me the rope.

[mrveggieman]

To be honest it sucks that things are going digital only and at the end of the day the consumer will be the one holding the L while the movie studios will be laughing at us all the way to the bank.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by mrveggieman

To be honest it sucks that things are going digital only and at the end of the day the consumer will be the one holding the L while the movie studios will be laughing at us all the way to the bank.

You are confusing consumer with collector. There has never been a better time to be a consumer of movies/TV

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

You are confusing consumer with collector. There has never been a better time to be a consumer of movies/TV

Movies and TV shows should never be treated as consumables but that's what a digital only future will bring. Each movie and TV show will be discarded as soon as it drops in popularity and profitability.