Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Because UHD players are adding features and updates that most non A/V enthusiast don't care about.

Thanks for speaking for most people.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by NightMovie901

Great videos. I enjoyed them. Thanks for sharing.

Anytime!

I've worked in IT for 25 years or so and I'm a Network Engineer.

Any experience with a Z390 chipset computer, SSD and a clean Windows 10 Pro install?

Unfortunately, the masses determine the direction we go. Everyone is really starting to buy into the "Cloud" (aka someone else's data center) now and that sort of puts them on the path to digital movies as opposed to physical. The "All your movies in the Cloud available from wherever you are" marketing line.

If you look at the revenue pie, pay TV (cable & satellite) is still the gorilla in the room (the masses) 74%, broadcast at 11% and SVOD at 10%.

Revenue from EST Digital HD (movies) should be way ahead of physical disc because of the sheer number of devices it is available on but it still lags way behind physical. IMO, going forward, the studios are going to focus much more on subscription than sales hence the reason for the pending shut down of UltraViolet and several more sales oriented services.

Likely you are right about memory chips never replacing discs but who knows what storage options are around the corner?

Did you catch the production cycle time of memory chips? The number of disc that a single pressing machine can churn out in a single day?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Anytime!

Any experience with a Z390 chipset computer, SSD and a clean Windows 10 Pro install?

If you look at the revenue pie, pay TV (cable & satellite) is still the gorilla in the room (the masses) 74%, broadcast at 11% and SVOD at 10%.

Revenue from EST Digital HD (movies) should be way ahead of physical disc because of the sheer number of devices it is available on but it still lags way behind physical. IMO, going forward, the studios are going to focus much more on subscription than sales hence the reason for the pending shut down of UltraViolet and several more sales oriented services.

Did you catch the production cycle time of memory chips? The number of disc that a single pressing machine can churn out in a single day?

Imo, cable, broadcast and OTT will merge. We are seeing the start of it with Netflix partnering with Sky in the U.K. linear channels will exist alongside categorised on demand content. The. EPG will look very different but it will still exist, with curated content and attractive main hubs. Voice search and the like will play a huge part and content will be more and more personalised. The EPG is still invaluable to the industry and home viewers.

[NightMovie901]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If everyone said that, we would have lost WW2. Oh we have suffered heavy defeats, let’s go AWOL and leave it to everyone else.

Respectfully, I disagree with that analogy.

What about Dunkirk btw?

It is a matter of knowing when your side will not win.

[NightMovie901]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Anytime!

Any experience with a Z390 chipset computer, SSD and a clean Windows 10 Pro install?

If you look at the revenue pie, pay TV (cable & satellite) is still the gorilla in the room (the masses) 74%, broadcast at 11% and SVOD at 10%.

Revenue from EST Digital HD (movies) should be way ahead of physical disc because of the sheer number of devices it is available on but it still lags way behind physical. IMO, going forward, the studios are going to focus much more on subscription than sales hence the reason for the pending shut down of UltraViolet and several more sales oriented services.

Did you catch the production cycle time of memory chips? The number of disc that a single pressing machine can churn out in a single day?

Since I switched to Mac in 2005 I only use Windows at work. I work at a large data center and Cisco route/switch is more what I do.

Yes, I think we are heading towards subscription too.

Yes, I actually did the math and at 35,000 discs a day it would 285 of those to press 10 million discs in a day. That is pretty awesome.

[NightMovie901]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Imo, cable, broadcast and OTT will merge. We are seeing the start of it with Netflix partnering with Sky in the U.K. linear channels will exist alongside categorised on demand content. The. EPG will look very different but it will still exist, with curated content and attractive main hubs. Voice search and the like will play a huge part and content will be more and more personalised. The EPG is still invaluable to the industry and home viewers.

I forget the source but I read an article a few years back that talked about moving from the “what’s on now?” model of my generation and before to the “I want watch X now” model that on demand brings. I think the business ramifications get crazy and as usual the consumer won’t get what they want.

I mean for years we’ve all wanted ala carte channels? Right?

[flyry]

This is random, but as more and more movies only get UHD digital and not physical, it just occured to me that we will not be able to buy 4K codes for those flicks (Instant Family is another example of this growing trend)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

This is random, but as more and more movies only get UHD digital and not physical, it just occured to me that we will not be able to buy 4K codes for those flicks (Instant Family is another example of this growing trend)

We will also get far less vintage films like the ones you were enjoying on FilmStruck. These niche services will struggle amongst the might of Netflix and Disney, Apple etc..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by NightMovie901

I forget the source but I read an article a few years back that talked about moving from the “what’s on now?” model of my generation and before to the “I want watch X now” model that on demand brings. I think the business ramifications get crazy and as usual the consumer won’t get what they want.

I mean for years we’ve all wanted ala carte channels? Right?

They won’t do away with the EPG cattle market rakes it in for the industry, it isn’t going away anytime soon.

[Steedeel]

It seems free speech is not permitted on this forum. Just made a thread for U.K. disc lovers to rise up against digital and it got took down. No insults, nothing untoward. Just a heartfelt plea.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It seems free speech is not permitted on this forum. Just made a thread for U.K. disc lovers to rise up against digital and it got took down. No insults, nothing untoward. Just a heartfelt plea.

I was wondering what happened to it. If it got moved somewhere else, they normally say "moved to.....". Very strange.

As for free speech, forget it mate, there's no such thing.....unless it's left-wing propaganda.

[stonesfan129]

I'd like to see movies go the same route that music went with non-DRM downloads.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by NightMovie901

I work at a large data center and Cisco route/switch is more what I do.

OK, cool. From time to time I like to look at SSD and HDD info published by the folks at Backblaze data center. FWIW, my signature line has links to a little info on myself.

Just curious, for someone that is all in on digital, why come to a place like Blu-ray.com? It should be clear to anyone this a disc site.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

I was wondering what happened to it. If it got moved somewhere else, they normally say "moved to.....". Very strange.

As for free speech, forget it mate, there's no such thing.....unless it's left-wing propaganda.

Very strange. As you will know, there wasn’t even anything vindictive in there. I was just stating facts about the sorry state of Digital HD in the U.K. every post agreed with me. I’m beginning to think something personal is going on.

[mrveggieman]

Originally Posted by NightMovie901

That was my thinking for a very long time and that is certainly a valid and reasonable line of thought.

I guess as time goes by I'm less interested in owning physical things and want more convenience and access to things instead. Lines become less straight, less black & white, and become more curvy and grey area.

I got rid of all my music CDs a long time ago. Why? Because I didn't need them any more. A whole box of CDs (and more) was on my phone.

Now with Apple Music I don't see any reason to buy new music. Yes, I'm well aware that if I cancel my subscription then I don't have access to all the music. However, I'm not heavily invested in a music library either.

I'm not sure Apple can pull off an Apple Movies subscription service but then again that is what everyone said about Apple Music in the past. Certainly something interesting to think about/discuss.

Believe it or not I still use CDs. I rip them to my xbox hard drive when I game and I also use them on a couple original PlayStation games that allow you to swap out the disk and insert a music cd. I also carry a cd book for when I travel.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Any experience with a Z390 chipset computer, SSD and a clean Windows 10 Pro install?

Not to get off topic in this thread, but I just built a new PC using a Z390 motherboard and the i7-9700k processor. I used a Samsung NVMe SSD and did a fresh install of Windows 10 Pro. Why do you ask?

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Very strange. As you will know, there wasn’t even anything vindictive in there. I was just stating facts about the sorry state of Digital HD in the U.K. every post agreed with me. I’m beginning to think something personal is going on.

Totally agree with you - I didn't see anything wrong with it at all.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by mrveggieman

Believe it or not I still use CDs.

Me too. Being a physical media enthusiast, I value my CD's as much as my Blu-ray and DVD's. I have ripped a few of them for when I travel, but when listening at home, the discs are used.

[NightMovie901]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It doesn't matter if physical media "wins". More support for physical media means more titles on physical media means more titles that customers have control over. Every title released on physical media is another title that the studios can't possibly ever take away.

I understand the point you are making but I counter with this:

VHS tapes ... sure you can keep them but they are obsolete ... we've moved on

You can hold out as long as you want for VHS tapes to never go away but the truth is they were replaced with something else (DVDs) and eventually 99.99% of people realized that VHS was no more and DVD had replaced it

It isn't the best example because DVD is better than VHS and no one argues that fact. With Blu-ray vs Digital the Blu-ray is still currently a higher quality format with better sound (generally). But let me pivot though ... for those of us that had BetaMax we knew that Beta was better than VHS in quality but the masses had decided on VHS ... we had no choice but to adopt VHS because they eventually quit producing Beta tapes

[NightMovie901]

Originally Posted by flyry

This is random, but as more and more movies only get UHD digital and not physical, it just occured to me that we will not be able to buy 4K codes for those flicks (Instant Family is another example of this growing trend)

That sounds like something the movie studios like