2013 Oscar Discussion Discussion Thread

[TheForce8686]

I tried watching the Artist today so I can really give my opinion it based on the previous discussions of this thread but I couldn't do it. After about a half hour I was bored out of my mind and shut it off and deleted it from the Hard Drive. I was hoping and expecting for more.

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

I tried watching the Artist today so I can really give my opinion it based on the previous discussions of this thread but I couldn't do it. After about a half hour I was bored out of my mind and shut it off and deleted it from the Hard Drive. I was hoping and expecting for more.

Still doesn't mean it's not worthy of praise that others give it.

I didn't care for The Artist, but I have no big qualms with the Academy giving it best picture. I thought The Desendants was a better film and for me it was my best picture.

I like to think the most positive thing about The Artist was that it hopefully made people intrested in looking at older films.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Snicket

Still doesn't mean it's not worthy of praise that others give it.

I didn't care for The Artist, but I have no big qualms with the Academy giving it best picture. I thought The Desendants was a better film and for me it was my best picture.

I like to think the most positive thing about The Artist was that it hopefully made people intrested in looking at older films.

So did another film that year, and people either didn't know that one existed, or literally thought it was another picture.

While Artist is...good, it's just not great, in that I'm still not sure exactly what the point of it was.
(We're never told straight out why Valentin becomes a self-pitying has-been, so we just sit there and wait for somebody to slap some sense into him--Which isn't until the very, very last scene, and if we've seen "Singin' in the Rain", like Haznavicius clearly has, we're already at least an hour ahead of him.)

Which doesn't really persuade me out of the notion that the Academy was giving a sentimental vote to "A movie that celebrates the magic of early Hollywood and silent films...It's the ONLY ORIGINAL film this year to do that! But why would Scorsese make kiddy CGI cartoons?"
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[Cinemach]

Originally Posted by hsox05

I know Hathaway is one of those "critic darlings" and Eddie Redmayne is a virtual unknown, but I found his supporting role to be more powerful (and better performed) than Hathaway's. I also haven't yet seen all the competing films, but to me Redmayne deserves it more than Hathaway from Les Miserables.

I had the same thought while watching the movie yesterday. Don't mistake me Hathaway did great, but Redmayne really did just about the same (with more screentime) and he's getting no love.

Originally Posted by Snicket

I like to think the most positive thing about The Artist was that it hopefully made people intrested in looking at older films.

That's a positive I gleamed from it, too.

To comment on the movie itself, The Artist is more concerned with being an exercise in technique and homage than it is with story, to some detriment. It was a crowdpleaser though - most everyone I know who saw it loved it, and I liked it fine enough - so in that sense it is a worthy Best Picture winner. As a silent film outside of Dujardin's performance it is somewhat pedestrian, but the attention that it brought to forthcoming silents on blu is appreciated.

[chris_sc77]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

I tried watching the Artist today so I can really give my opinion it based on the previous discussions of this thread but I couldn't do it. After about a half hour I was bored out of my mind and shut it off and deleted it from the Hard Drive. I was hoping and expecting for more.

The Artist was one of the worst and most disgusting films of 2011. Hate that film with a passion and I hate the lead actor and the director. They ccan rot in hell and never make another films again. Yeah it's great that some French hack has a Best Director Oscar after making only few crappy films but Tarantino (or Spike Lee or David Fincher )still hasnt won best Director. utterly unforgivable.

I am just really tired of filmmakers who make great, cool, fun films not being rewarded while people who make things like Hurt Locker, Crash, The Kings Speech ,The Artist get all the award glory. It just is not right because these are not the best films of the year in watchability or lasting impact.


It just does not compute to me how this year Django is gonna get neglected by the Oscars and they are gonna give the awards to Lincoln or Argo or Zero Dark Thirty or something else completely undeserving and it will be yet disappointing Oscars.

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

The Artist was one of the worst and most disgusting films of 2011. Hate that film with a passion and I hate the lead actor and the director. They ccan rot in hell and never make another films again. Yeah it's great that some French hack has a Best Director Oscar after making only few crappy films but Tarantino (or Spike Lee or David Fincher )still hasnt won best Director. utterly unforgivable.

I am just really tired of filmmakers who make great, cool, fun films not being rewarded while people who make things like Hurt Locker, Crash, The Kings Speech ,The Artist get all the award glory. It just is not right because these are not the best films of the year in watchability or lasting impact.


It just does not compute to me how this year Django is gonna get neglected by the Oscars and they are gonna give the awards to Lincoln or Argo or Zero Dark Thirty or something else completely undeserving and it will be yet disappointing Oscars.

Some people will just never understand...and the only thing disgusting about the Artist was your hyperbole over-reaction.

[Dougienesses]

Just back from seeing The Master and it was a solid movie but would rather it got the acting nods for Phoenix, Seymour Hoffman and Adams. Three amazing performances!

[Tepi76]

Well, those who didn't like The Artist can be happy that this year they will award an American film with the big prize. There's no going around this.

You know, 2012 was so great that I feel like for once we could have ten nominees in Best Picture and all of them would be good films. Last year they found 9 and one of them still was Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, not to mention the year they had 10. In the end I think that this time we will see 7 or 8 nominees, leaving out something really good like The Master. So... this is the year when I don't want to see only 5 nominees, that would most likely leave out Django Unchained, for example. The five sure-nominees seem to be Lincoln, Zero Dark Thirty, Argo, Les Misérables and Life of Pi.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

The Artist was one of the worst and most disgusting films of 2011. Hate that film with a passion and I hate the lead actor and the director. They ccan rot in hell and never make another films again. Yeah it's great that some French hack has a Best Director Oscar after making only few crappy films but Tarantino (or Spike Lee or David Fincher )still hasnt won best Director. utterly unforgivable.

I am just really tired of filmmakers who make great, cool, fun films not being rewarded while people who make things like Hurt Locker, Crash, The Kings Speech ,The Artist get all the award glory. It just is not right because these are not the best films of the year in watchability or lasting impact.


It just does not compute to me how this year Django is gonna get neglected by the Oscars and they are gonna give the awards to Lincoln or Argo or Zero Dark Thirty or something else completely undeserving and it will be yet disappointing Oscars.

Oh please...

[TheForce8686]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

the artist was one of the worst and most disgusting films of 2011. Hate that film with a passion and i hate the lead actor and the director. They ccan rot in hell and never make another films again. Yeah it's great that some french hack has a best director oscar after making only few crappy films but tarantino (or spike lee or david fincher )still hasnt won best director. Utterly unforgivable.

I am just really tired of filmmakers who make great, cool, fun films not being rewarded while people who make things like hurt locker, crash, the kings speech ,the artist get all the award glory. It just is not right because these are not the best films of the year in watchability or lasting impact.


It just does not compute to me how this year django is gonna get neglected by the oscars and they are gonna give the awards to lincoln or argo or zero dark thirty or something else completely undeserving and it will be yet disappointing oscars.

+1

[Walts Ghost]

You guys clearly don't understand the point of things like the People's Choice Awards compared to the Academy Awards. Anyone who thinks that 'The Artist' is one of the most disgusting movies the year it was made needs a reality check, and come to understand that the the whole reason it won was because the Academy fell in love with a nostalgic love letter to the silent era. It may not have been the best movie of the year, but that's insane hyperbole to say that's it's one of the most disgusting of the year and that you'd want the actor and director to rot in hell.

You guys sound like you're trying to be the "cool kids" who don't like movies that are awarded, thinking the big blockbusters need to be nominated and win over things like 'Lincoln', which misses the point of the academy awards. We get it, you guys want films for the masses to win, but the kicker is, the last few years, the Academy HAS been nominating movies for the masses. Last year especially, and this year as well. 'Lincoln' is a great movie that critics and audiences are getting behind. It's definitely the front runner to win right now. And even the films that could be runners up, like 'Argo', 'Silver Linings Playbook', and the others are as well. You may not like the films, that doesn't mean others don't and that they don't deserve recognition. I loved 'Django' as well, and it's my second favorite movie of the year, but I don't think it quite deserves best picture. 'Lincoln', on the other hand, I could definitely get behind winning. Every once in a while, the Academy does get behind the cool fun movies, look at the year 'Rocky' won, but if you guys can't see why things like 'The King's Speech' or 'The Godfather' won, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe the Academy Awards just isn't for you and you should stick to things like the People's Choice Awards, Spike TV awards, or MTV Movie Awards. They all seem to be falling more into the categories of what you guys want.

I love fun movies too, look at my collection. But I also understand why that the academy isn't necessarily looking for the fun movie. They're looking for other things. It took me a long time to understand that, but when I did, it made sense, and it's become much more rewarding when I watch these films. I love being diverse enough to love things like 'The Avengers' and 'Lincoln', or 'The Social Network' and 'Sherlock Holmes'. I do want to see directors like Fincher finally get their due, but it took how long for Scorsese to finally get his award? Good things come to those who wait, and just because these films or directors don't get nominated or win awards doesn't make them bad movies. That doesn't even make them the worst movies of the year, and they can still be the best, to YOU. Film is subjective, and clearly that's what all these awards shows clearly show us. Just because your favorite movie of the year doesn't get nominated doesn't mean the academy is wrong. In their heads, they're right, because film is subjective to them. I'd say they're right between 70% to 80% of the time, but sometimes I disagree with them too. But I don't think they need to nominate different movies. I like the ones they choose, because it's good to see great movies get recognition.

[TheForce8686]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

You guys clearly don't understand the point of things like the People's Choice Awards compared to the Academy Awards. Anyone who thinks that 'The Artist' is one of the most disgusting movies the year it was made needs a reality check, and come to understand that the the whole reason it won was because the Academy fell in love with a nostalgic love letter to the silent era. It may not have been the best movie of the year, but that's insane hyperbole to say that's it's one of the most disgusting of the year and that you'd want the actor and director to rot in hell.

You guys sound like you're trying to be the "cool kids" who don't like movies that are awarded, thinking the big blockbusters need to be nominated and win over things like 'Lincoln', which misses the point of the academy awards. We get it, you guys want films for the masses to win, but the kicker is, the last few years, the Academy HAS been nominating movies for the masses. Last year especially, and this year as well. 'Lincoln' is a great movie that critics and audiences are getting behind. It's definitely the front runner to win right now. And even the films that could be runners up, like 'Argo', 'Silver Linings Playbook', and the others are as well. You may not like the films, that doesn't mean others don't and that they don't deserve recognition. I loved 'Django' as well, and it's my second favorite movie of the year, but I don't think it quite deserves best picture. 'Lincoln', on the other hand, I could definitely get behind winning. Every once in a while, the Academy does get behind the cool fun movies, look at the year 'Rocky' won, but if you guys can't see why things like 'The King's Speech' or 'The Godfather' won, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe the Academy Awards just isn't for you and you should stick to things like the People's Choice Awards, Spike TV awards, or MTV Movie Awards. They all seem to be falling more into the categories of what you guys want.

I love fun movies too, look at my collection. But I also understand why that the academy isn't necessarily looking for the fun movie. They're looking for other things. It took me a long time to understand that, but when I did, it made sense, and it's become much more rewarding when I watch these films. I love being diverse enough to love things like 'The Avengers' and 'Lincoln', or 'The Social Network' and 'Sherlock Holmes'. I do want to see directors like Fincher finally get their due, but it took how long for Scorsese to finally get his award? Good things come to those who wait, and just because these films or directors don't get nominated or win awards doesn't make them bad movies. That doesn't even make them the worst movies of the year, and they can still be the best, to YOU. Film is subjective, and clearly that's what all these awards shows clearly show us. Just because your favorite movie of the year doesn't get nominated doesn't mean the academy is wrong. In their heads, they're right, because film is subjective to them. I'd say they're right between 70% to 80% of the time, but sometimes I disagree with them too. But I don't think they need to nominate different movies. I like the ones they choose, because it's good to see great movies get recognition.

The point is they nominate films that aren't great just to prove a point or deliver a message in the moment. The Oscars are supposed to be the awards with the most honor and prestige. For a movie to be selected as the "Best Picture" it should be a truly great film on many levels and not be such a flash in the pan that it is forgotten by the next award season. This has been going on my entire lifetime starting with Star Wars and continuing through this year. Is there any doubt that Star Wars has a had a longer lasting better impact on society than whatever movie beat it in 1977? How did Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan? How did Hurt Locker beat Avatar? How did Crash or Chicago beat anything? The oscar voters try and prove a point that they wont appeal to the masses and in turn they allow average movies at best to claim the prize of "Best Picture"

[Quinthoopachiefy]

You and I agree on everyone except Best Picture and Best Actor.

I believe Silver Linings Playbook will win Best Picture
Joaquin Phoenix Will win for The Master

Originally Posted by Galactus

Thank you Tepi for the list and now for me predictions!

Bolds = Win

Best Picture (most likely 7-8 will get in)
Lincoln
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Silver Linings Playbook
Les Misérables
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Beasts of the Southern Wild
The Master
Skyfall

Best Director
Steven Spielberg, Lincoln
Ben Affleck, Argo
Kathryn Bigelow, Zero Dark Thirty
Ang Lee, Life of Pi
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Actor
Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln
Joaquin Phoenix, The Master
Denzel Washington, Flight
Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
Suraj Sharma, Life of Pi (a big surprise)

Best Actress
Jessica Chastain, Zero Dark Thirty
Jennifer Lawrence, Silver Linings Playbook
Naomi Watts, The Impossible
Emmanuelle Riva, Amour
Marion Cotillard, Rust and Bone

Best Supporting Actor
Tommy Lee Jones, Lincoln
Philip Seymour Hoffman, The Master
Leonardo DiCaprio, Django Unchained
Eddie Redmayne, Les Misérables
Alan Arkin, Argo

Best Supporting Actress
Anne Hathaway, Les Misérables
Sally Field, Lincoln
Amy Adams, The Master
Nicole Kidman, The Paperboy
Ann Dowd, Compliance

Best Original Screenplay
Mark Boal, Zero Dark Thirty
Quentin Tarantino, Django Unchained
Paul Thomas Anderson, The Master
Wes Anderson & Roman Coppola, Moonrise Kingdom
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Adapted Screenplay
Tony Kushner, Lincoln
Chris Terrio, Argo
David Magee, Life of Pi
David O. Russell, Silver Linings Playbook
Stephen Chbosky, The Perks of Being a Wallflower

Best Film Editing
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Lincoln
Skyfall
Life of Pi

Best Cinematography
Life of Pi
The Master
Skyfall
Lincoln
On the Road

Best Costume Design
Les Misérables
Anna Karenina
Lincoln
The Master
Django Unchained

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
Lincoln
Les Misérables
The Hobbit

Best Original Score
Life of Pi
Lincoln
The Master
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Anna Karenina

Best Production Design
Les Misérables
Lincoln
Anna Karenina
The Master
Life of Pi

Best Animated Feature
Frankenweenie
Wreck-it-Ralph
ParaNorman
The Painting
Rise of the Guardians

Best Foreign Language Film
Amour
The Intouchables
War Witch
Beyond the Hills
No

Best Documentary Feature
How to Survive a Plague
The Gatekeepers
Searching for Sugarman
Bully
The Invisible War

Best Sound Mixing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Les Misérables
Life of Pi

Best Sound Editing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Django Unchained
Lincoln

Best Visual Effects
Life of Pi
Cloud Atlas
The Hobbit
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers

Best Original Song
Skyfall, Skyfall
Suddenly, Les Misérables
Ancora Qui, Django Unchained
Learn Me Right, Brave
Song of The Lonely Mountain, The Hobbit


*Runs out of thread*

[Quinthoopachiefy]

I really think Looper should be Nominated for Best Picture and Best Director Rian Johnson. It sucks that it won't.. but Looper was my 2012 pick for Best Picture. It's sad the academy hates on Sci-fi so much.

Lincoln was great... albeit slow in parts.... Spielberg just seems to try sooo damn hard with every movie to Win Best Picture. We get it, you are great.

Also if John Goodman doesn't get a Nom for Argo.... Wow... , I know Arkin was great but geez...

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Quinthoopachiefy

I really think Looper should be Nominated for Best Picture and Best Director Rian Johnson. It sucks that it won't.. but Looper was my 2012 pick for Best Picture. It's sad the academy hates on Sci-fi so much.

Lincoln was great... albeit slow in parts.... Spielberg just seems to try sooo damn hard with every movie to Win Best Picture. We get it, you are great.

Also if John Goodman doesn't get a Nom for Argo.... Wow... , I know Arkin was great but geez...

Looper might get a nod for Original screenplay and sound mixing.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

+1

You watched 15 ****ing minutes.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

The Artist was one of the worst and most disgusting films of 2011. Hate that film with a passion and I hate the lead actor and the director. They ccan rot in hell and never make another films again. Yeah it's great that some French hack has a Best Director Oscar after making only few crappy films but Tarantino (or Spike Lee or David Fincher )still hasnt won best Director. utterly unforgivable.

I am just really tired of filmmakers who make great, cool, fun films not being rewarded while people who make things like Hurt Locker, Crash, The Kings Speech ,The Artist get all the award glory. It just is not right because these are not the best films of the year in watchability or lasting impact.


It just does not compute to me how this year Django is gonna get neglected by the Oscars and they are gonna give the awards to Lincoln or Argo or Zero Dark Thirty or something else completely undeserving and it will be yet disappointing Oscars.

But if The Artist was an extra hour longer it'd be one of you best of the year

Please, there's nothing disgusting with The Artist just because people like it and you don't.

[chesneyvp]

Perks of being a wallflower should be nominated for Best picture and maybe some acting noms.

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

The Artist was one of the worst and most disgusting films of 2011. Hate that film with a passion and I hate the lead actor and the director. They ccan rot in hell

Well that's a massive overreaction. They can rot in hell because they've won an Oscar? Not to mention that you can't blame them for Tarantino and Lee not having Oscars when they didn't compete in the same year. And is what was is thefilm itself 'disgusting'? Not the reaction to it or the awards glory it go, but the film itself? It wasn't Oscar bait, it was a small, unpretentious, fun film (ironically something you feel doesn't get Oscar recognition), it was one of the most inoffensive films released in recent memory. I can't think of a single way that the film itself was disgusting, merely another case of internet hyperbole.

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by Quinthoopachiefy

Lincoln was great... albeit slow in parts.... Spielberg just seems to try sooo damn hard with every movie to Win Best Picture. We get it, you are great..

I disagree with this. His last four films have been Indy 4, Tintin, War Horse and Lincoln. That's 50:50 in terms of 'wanting to win Best Picture'. His next is Robopocalypse which is definitely not aiming for Best Picture either.