Peter Pan (1953) (Diamond Edition) - OUT OF PRINT

[yumny]

Originally Posted by Sinthetic

Watched this for the first time a couple of nights ago. Absolutely loved it.

Pan scares the crap out of me. ;\

No disagreement there, Peter Pan is one of Walt Disney's most imaginative, insane and enchanting movies. The only thing I wish they would possibly cut is the whole "Indian" thing. I mean respecting that a movie is from a different time is one thing, but blatant racism is on a whole other field.
Don't mean to be starting a censoring debate, just saying that I've cringed seeing that scene ever since I passed the age of 8. My little sister once asked a Native American man if he lived in a teepee. Oh my god I felt like I could fall through the floor, I felt so bad.

Hoping this movie gets an A-class treatment and doesn't get shat over like Cinderella was..

[Sinthetic]

Originally Posted by yumny

No disagreement there, Peter Pan is one of Walt Disney's most imaginative, insane and enchanting movies. The only thing I wish they would possibly cut is the whole "Indian" thing. I mean respecting that a movie is from a different time is one thing, but blatant racism is on a whole other field.
Don't mean to be starting a censoring debate, just saying that I've cringed seeing that scene ever since I passed the age of 8. My little sister once asked a Native American man if he lived in a teepee. Oh my god I felt like I could fall through the floor, I felt so bad.

Hoping this movie gets an A-class treatment and doesn't get shat over like Cinderella was..

Hahaha! You really have a great sister.

It definitely deserves the very best (at least we know it'll have a slipcover in the U.S).

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by yumny

No disagreement there, Peter Pan is one of Walt Disney's most imaginative, insane and enchanting movies. The only thing I wish they would possibly cut is the whole "Indian" thing. I mean respecting that a movie is from a different time is one thing, but blatant racism is on a whole other field.
Don't mean to be starting a censoring debate, just saying that I've cringed seeing that scene ever since I passed the age of 8. My little sister once asked a Native American man if he lived in a teepee. Oh my god I felt like I could fall through the floor, I felt so bad.
.

They get that question all the time, wouldn't blame Disney for it--
And the usual JM Barrie apology is that these are NOT "real" Indians, any more than Hook and his crew are "real" Pirates, or the animals they pass in the jungle are "real" animals...Everything in Neverland is imagined, so Tiger Lily & co. are pretty much the adventure cliche's that little Georgian-England John and Michael imagine them to be after reading a couple of American James Cooper books.

(It is worth noting, however, that they didn't show up in "Return to Neverland". )

[Kuma]

Originally Posted by Sinthetic

Watched this for the first time a couple of nights ago. Absolutely loved it.

Pan scares the crap out of me. ;\

I noticed that you live in the UK. Did you know that the profits from anything Pan related in England went to a childrens hospital up until a few years ago? Its one of those little known tidbits that I like to share with people from time to time. Heres the proof.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2.../28/gtormondst

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Kuma

I noticed that you live in the UK. Did you know that the profits from anything Pan related in England went to a childrens hospital up until a few years ago? Its one of those little known tidbits that I like to share with people from time to time. Heres the proof.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2.../28/gtormondst

Think that subject did come up in the movie:
http://hq55.com/disney/pan/peterpan-...reencaps-5.jpg

[Sinthetic]

Really interesting, Thanks Kuma! That's a very nice thing to see.

[barvo24]

New image on Amazon....FWIW

http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Pan-Blu-...ords=peter+pan

[Saturius]

Originally Posted by barvo24

New image on Amazon....FWIW

http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Pan-Blu-...ords=peter+pan

That's a lovely image. Too bad the real cover will probably be a floating head, character crowded mess. And it's listed as a Diamond Edition? Hmm, the plot thickens. I really wish Disney US would get their releases in order. It always seems so scatter shot or last minute. I don't care whether something is DE or not, nor do I care about Peter Pan cause I really don't think it's very good at all, but I do want Aladdin on Blu sooner rather than later, so some confirmation on whether Pan will be the Spring DE would be appreciated. C'mon Disney! I guess we'll know when Cinderella is released in a few weeks.

[Phil92]

Originally Posted by barvo24

New image on Amazon....FWIW

http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Pan-Blu-...ords=peter+pan

Peter's not a Diamond Edition anymore.

[The Mad Kiwi]

That image is gorgeous. I would love for that to be the cover, but that surely won't happen. Maybe that image will make it on the back cover.

Originally Posted by Phil92

Peter's not a Diamond Edition anymore.

Apparently it is according to someone on UltimateDisney who got an early copy of R1's Cinderella. Supposedly the booklet inside mentions the 2013 Diamonds are Peter Pan for the spring and The Little Mermaid for the fall. No image was provided, though, so who really knows by this point. It's baffling since were it not for Lady and the Tramp's booklet, things would be on-track to follow Disney's original Diamond press release with Aladdin being off and Pan being on. So was Aladdin ever going to be in this collection, or did someone just make a huge blunder when creating Lady's booklet? A part of me hopes the reason Aladdin's been post-poned/dropped is because Disney's doing a 3D conversion of it. I would love to be able to see it on the big screen since I never did as a kid.

And before EricJ swoops in with his superiority complex, let me just say that it doesn't matter to me whether Aladdin or Pan's a Diamond. As long as the transfer's top notch and it has worthwhile supplements, I'll be fine. Ideally, I'd like for Disney to create a new documentary/PiP feature for Pan along with giving us The Walt Disney Christmas Show and trailers from the different theatrical releases. Those plus the Platinum supplements would make for a strong set. As for Aladdin, if it turns out to be a Virtual Vault nightmare, I'll just discard the inevitable DVD included in it and replace with the Platinum bonus disc. Let's see what happens.

[rballest]

Originally Posted by barvo24

New image on Amazon....FWIW

http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Pan-Blu-...ords=peter+pan

That is indeed interesting. It would correlate with the supposed information provided on the DVDizzy forum. If that image is up-to-date and official, that represents quite the paradigm shift from what Disney has done in the past (Diamond Editions being worldwide.) If Peter Pan does in fact come out as a Diamond Edition in the US but as a general release in other countries, it'll be interesting to see if there is absolutely any difference other than a name. This would help to put to rest the question of whether there is even a little meaning in a release being Diamond other than having a limited-time release. I would suspect not, but it will be interesting nonetheless.

Assuming that this is all true, I sure hope that doesn't mean Aladdin has been delayed for the US; I have been looking forward to it ever since the Lady and the Tramp insert indicated a Spring release. I take a small amount of comfort that there was a German trailer released a few weeks ago, which likewise had no indication of a Diamond Edition but still had a Spring release. Here's to hoping!

[rballest]

Originally Posted by The Mad Kiwi

And before EricJ swoops in with his superiority complex, let me just say that it doesn't matter to me whether Aladdin or Pan's a Diamond. As long as the transfer's top notch and it has worthwhile supplements, I'll be fine.

I totally agree with this. To be honest, with Aladdin falling where it does chronologically between Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King, there really is a limited amount of insightful information that can be provided in a documentary compared to the timeline where Peter Pan falls. At least for me, I could see there being better potential features for Pan. I agree as well that an Aladdin 3D transfer would be great.. but as I stated in a prior post, I am extremely impatient and would also be excited for a regular top-notch transfer for Aladdin in the Spring. Only time will tell!

[PuppyJonathan]

Just saw the image, I guess this means it's official

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by The Mad Kiwi

That image is gorgeous. I would love for that to be the cover, but that surely won't happen. Maybe that image will make it on the back cover.

Maybe--They don't put faceless "teasers" on the front cover, when they need to market the characters' faces first.

A part of me hopes the reason Aladdin's been post-poned/dropped is because Disney's doing a 3D conversion of it. I would love to be able to see it on the big screen since I never did as a kid.

Even I'll admit it's very plausible...
Aladdin was in CAPS, so it can be done, and they're more than likely going to feel some peer pressure that the other three of the "Big Four" made it to 3D.

And before EricJ swoops in with his superiority complex,

(Too late. )

As for Aladdin, if it turns out to be a Virtual Vault nightmare, I'll just discard the inevitable DVD included in it and replace with the Platinum bonus disc. Let's see what happens.

IIRC, there weren't really that MANY extras on the original Aladdin Platinum, which disappointed a few of the fans:
Just a couple of abandaoned songs, and a multipart documentary with Musker, Clements and Gilbert Gottfried--Which, although informative (especially about the early abandoned shooting drafts), wasn't anything that wouldn't fit on the disk in SD.
And even then, they'll probably throw it out and reshoot the highlighted info for an HD featurette.

VV tends to be for what won't fit on the disk, as it's too expensive now to make a Blu-ray Disk 2 for bonus features, now that they have to cram in those stupid DVD's and DC disks. They're only hurting themselves.

(...He told himself, having already sold off his DVD copy to Amazon months ago. )

[The Mad Kiwi]

Originally Posted by EricJ

IIRC, there weren't really that MANY extras on the original Aladdin Platinum, which disappointed a few of the fans:
Just a couple of abandaoned songs, and a multipart documentary with Musker, Clements and Gilbert Gottfried--Which, although informative (especially about the early abandoned shooting drafts), wasn't anything that wouldn't fit on the disk in SD.
And even then, they'll probably throw it out and reshoot the highlighted info for an HD featurette.

VV tends to be for what won't fit on the disk, as it's too expensive now to make a Blu-ray Disk 2 for bonus features, now that they have to cram in those stupid DVD's and DC disks. They're only hurting themselves.

(...He told himself, having already sold off his DVD copy to Amazon months ago. )

Really? Most people I know feel Aladdin was possibly the strongest Platinum supplement-wise next to Snow White. That second disc had about two and a half hours' worth of supplements plus galleries. Cramming all that on the same disc as the film (which had about half an hour's worth of deleted scenes and music videos) would've been insane, especially since the film itself had two commentaries and a pop-up fact track.

Now, all that can fit quite comfortably on a single Blu-ray with the film itself. Alice in Wonderland had about the amount of SD content (around 2.5 hours) plus another 1.5 hour's worth of HD content not including the film itself. So if Disney is using space as an excuse for the Virtual Vault, I'm not buying it.

[Phil92]

Thanks Mad Kiwi. I guess that means Pan's in, Aladdin's out and Europe have decided to drop the line altogether since Pan is coming out as a "regular edition" in the last quarter of 2012 in various places across the pond.

[disneyfreak]

Guys I'm almost sure its fan art not only is it amazingly good, too good for disney, the studio is stated as "disney" it would be walt disney studios home entertainment or buena vista studios. Which means its a placeholder that someone made and someone put artwork for it. I still think it will be a diamond edition though. At this time I'm really unsure if its a diamond edition or not, Walmart doesn't have it listed as one like they do cindy, but heck they have the wrong cover art -_-

[The Mad Kiwi]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Guys I'm almost sure its fan art not only is it amazingly good, too good for disney, the studio is stated as "disney" it would be walt disney studios home entertainment or buena vista studios. Which means its a placeholder that someone made and someone put artwork for it. I still think it will be a diamond edition though. At this time I'm really unsure if its a diamond edition or not, Walmart doesn't have it listed as one like they do cindy, but heck they have the wrong cover art -_-

I think it's legit. That's a new logo for Pan, and check out this read-along coming in January to coincide with the release:

[Show spoiler]

Same logo. Plus, the placeholder image for the BD was uploaded by Amazon themselves. When a user uploads a photo, Amazon credits them.

[pap64]

Originally Posted by The Mad Kiwi

Really? Most people I know feel Aladdin was possibly the strongest Platinum supplement-wise next to Snow White. That second disc had about two and a half hours' worth of supplements plus galleries. Cramming all that on the same disc as the film (which had about half an hour's worth of deleted scenes and music videos) would've been insane, especially since the film itself had two commentaries and a pop-up fact track.

Now, all that can fit quite comfortably on a single Blu-ray with the film itself. Alice in Wonderland had about the amount of SD content (around 2.5 hours) plus another 1.5 hour's worth of HD content not including the film itself. So if Disney is using space as an excuse for the Virtual Vault, I'm not buying it.

I second Mad Kiwi. The Aladdin Platinum is easily my favorite of the entire collection, second only to Snow White supplement wise. The reason why is because it manages to include both brand new interviews and footage along with vintage footage from the film's premiere. I love how they had this big documentary where they had a cast and crew reunion at the Hyperion Theater, and much like the Beauty and the Beast Blu Ray, you could watch these featurettes that complimented the main feature. I love that we got to see interviews with the actors today (I loved it when Jonathan Freeman went into a pet shop to play with the parrots) and see interviews from 1992.

Disney rarely does that nowadays, and usually if they do a new featurette it is either too short or is done to promote something else entirely. Aladdin was a rarity in that it didn't try to link itself too much to any existing Disney attraction (save for a slight promo of the Aladdin musical), and everything felt relevant. Even the Genie world tour and Magic Lamp featurettes were very funny and entertaining.

I think Disney can EASILY put all of that onto one disc. The Moulin Rouge proved that you can have stunning video on the main feature, many sound options, NEW HD extras, classic DVD extras in SD and even new featurettes that weren't present in the original DVD release.

I wouldn't mind if the Aladdin Blu Ray is just a copy of the Platinum as I never fully owned the movie on DVD when it came out, and I love it so much I would like to own it. But that means if it has no crappy second screen feature or the classic features have been sent to the Virtual Vault.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by pap64

I wouldn't mind if the Aladdin Blu Ray is just a copy of the Platinum as I never fully owned the movie on DVD when it came out, and I love it so much I would like to own it. But that means if it has no crappy second screen feature or the classic features have been sent to the Virtual Vault.

Agreed, if they just copy the Platinum onto the BD then I'll be happy. Hope the transfer's top natch though.