From the Earth to the Moon

[Lensman]

Originally Posted by KiLLPaTRiCK

Thank god it is in 16:9 like X-files, The Wire, Shield and hopefully lot more...
4:3 would have been horrible. And yes i have owned both. 1.78:1 is still on an shelf and will be retiring.
Watch the DVD if you want 4:3

But it doesn't look right in 16:9. It's not as HBO intended and isn't the series I watched and fell in love with. Why couldn't they have put BOTH aspect ratios on the discs and charged a bit more? Then EVERYONE would be happy and we could all stop arguing about this issue.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by trevanian

Reasoning for said opinion please? Trying to figure out if there is something legit here I'm not seeing, or just somebody afraid of a TV screen that has black on the sides.

I think you know what the answer is going to be: black bars are da DEVIL

[Indiana Jones]

Glad to see it is also getting a UK release as I wasn’t looking forward to the customs charges.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think you know what the answer is going to be: black bars are da DEVIL

I’ve never understood the decision to put black bars on the tv screen.

It’s very unbecoming from an aesthetic point of view.

...diminishes the visual quality of the film.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

Glad to see it is also getting a UK release as I wasn’t looking forward to the customs charges.

It is?!? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

[edit] And it's only like £21 at amazon, I'd have paid more for it but I'm glad I don't have to.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

I’ve never understood the decision to put black bars on the tv screen.

It’s very unbecoming from an aesthetic point of view.

...diminishes the visual quality of the film.

In case this isn't sarcasm (I just can't tell any more) here's some friendly advice: if you're just watching the black bars all the time then you're doing it wrong. Cocaine's a helluva drug.

[jmspls72]

Just preordered. What’s up with Best Buy charging $3 to insure the release arrive in the mail on release day. Screw that. They are going to loose my business if that’s is procedure.

[thorr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nope. Just because you can combine the two to make 1.5 doesn't mean that's everything what's on the negative, you're making the assumption that the 4x3 version shows the entire height of the negative as shot. It does not.

4-perf fullap or S35 35mm is 1.33. 3-perf fullap is roughly 1.70. 2-perf fullap is roughly 2.65. Horizontal 8-perf 35mm (VistaVision) is nearer to 1.5...but the main taking format for this show wasn't 8-perf.

Ok, it turns out you are correct. Another website said it was 1.5:1 but that was for something else. However, the standard Academy Frame that is projected is cropped to 1.37:1.

Regardless, I still think 1.5:1 looks the best. It gives you all the 4:3 area that is on the DVD plus some additional width. Alternatively, they could give us 95% of the 1.33:1 frame to avoid the rounded corners, then we wouldn't be cropping anything major. It is a moot point since it won't happen.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by jmspls72

Just preordered. What’s up with Best Buy charging $3 to insure the release arrive in the mail on release day. Screw that. They are going to loose my business if that’s is procedure.

I don't think they're charging $3.99 to ensure you receive it on release date. It appears they're charging a shipping fee unless you meet the minimum order amount in which shipping is free.

[KC-Technerd]

Originally Posted by thorr

Alternatively, they could give us 95% of the 1.33:1 frame to avoid the rounded corners, then we wouldn't be cropping anything major.

I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. Things such as boom mics and unfinished parts of the set may very well be visible areas of the exposed frame that were cropped out in both the 4x3 and 16x9 versions. Star Trek: The Next Generation is an excellent example of this with only a portion of the exposed frame intended to be the final 4x3 image. It was not shot with the intention of the full 35mm academy projection aperture area being shown (which is still less than 100% of the exposed area). (I believe the documentary showing this is on one of the first season discs.) Optimum framing would be 100% of only the area of the exposed image that was originally intended for the final product at the time the film was shot.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by KC-Technerd

I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. Things such as boom mics and unfinished parts of the set may very well be visible areas of the exposed frame that were cropped out in both the 4x3 and 16x9 versions. Star Trek: The Next Generation is an excellent example of this with only a portion of the exposed frame intended to be the final 4x3 image. (I believe the documentary showing this is on one of the first season discs.) Optimum framing would be 100% of only the area of the exposed image that was originally intended for the final product at the time the film was shot.

Get the **** outta here with that crazy talk, it's almost like you actually respect the intended aspect ratio or something. We don't like your kind around here!

[david_blu]

Originally Posted by KC-Technerd

I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. Things such as boom mics and unfinished parts of the set may very well be visible areas of the exposed frame that were cropped out in both the 4x3 and 16x9 versions. Star Trek: The Next Generation is an excellent example of this with only a portion of the exposed frame intended to be the final 4x3 image. It was not shot with the intention of the full 35mm academy projection aperture area being shown (which is still less than 100% of the exposed area). (I believe the documentary showing this is on one of the first season discs.) Optimum framing would be 100% of only the area of the exposed image that was originally intended for the final product at the time the film was shot.

See I get this but think, if they are redoing cgi for everything in TNG then how difficult is it to paint out mics stage crew etc in the modern digital landscape. I don't think it would be that difficult based on everything else they have to do for an episode anyway.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by KiLLPaTRiCK

Thank god it is in 16:9 like X-files, The Wire, Shield and hopefully lot more...
4:3 would have been horrible. And yes i have owned both. 1.78:1 is still on an shelf and will be retiring.
Watch the DVD if you want 4:3

Yet that's how people watched it when it came out, and it was almost universally acclaimed, so it wasn't horrible at all. Maybe learn about filmmaking first?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by david_blu

See I get this but think, if they are redoing cgi for everything in TNG then how difficult is it to paint out mics stage crew etc in the modern digital landscape. I don't think it would be that difficult based on everything else they have to do for an episode anyway.

You seem to think that TNG was top to bottom CG or something? Nah. They literally rebuilt the miniature stuff using the original film passes as shot, and the amount of other CG stuff was decidedly routine for the most part e.g. phasers, planets, transporters, that sort of thing.

But you only have to look at the fullap outtake shots to see how much lighting equipment is often hanging around in any given live action shot, especially the wide angles, so extrapolate that over 170-odd episodes and that's a LOT of paint work that is entirely unnecessary if people were to just, y'know, respect the way that it was originally framed.

While they did some of this painting out of flubs on, say, the 16:9 redo of The Wire, for some shots David Simon still decided to push in on the frame rather than embiggen it because the original width of the 1.33 composition was the most important thing.

[rickah88]

This can’t be released soon enough. Inevitably the griping chatter gets dialed down considerably after release date.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

In case this isn't sarcasm (I just can't tell any more) here's some friendly advice: if you're just watching the black bars all the time then you're doing it wrong. Cocaine's a helluva drug.

[Show spoiler]

[david_blu]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You seem to think that TNG was top to bottom CG or something? Nah. They literally rebuilt the miniature stuff using the original film passes as shot, and the amount of other CG stuff was decidedly routine for the most part e.g. phasers, planets, transporters, that sort of thing.

But you only have to look at the fullap outtake shots to see how much lighting equipment is often hanging around in any given live action shot, especially the wide angles, so extrapolate that over 170-odd episodes and that's a LOT of paint work that is entirely unnecessary if people were to just, y'know, respect the way that it was originally framed.

While they did some of this painting out of flubs on, say, the 16:9 redo of The Wire, for some shots David Simon still decided to push in on the frame rather than embiggen it because the original width of the 1.33 composition was the most important thing.

I know it's not all cg I've been watching it since it originally aired im that old. Im just saying it is possible if they wanted too and on the really awkward shots you could zoom in slightly to deal with it.

Is there a YouTube video showing either series bts and how difficult it would be?

[AmishParadise]

Originally Posted by rickah88

This can’t be released soon enough. Inevitably the griping chatter gets dialed down considerably after release date.

That does happen doesn't it. Either way, I'm at peace with it. People can have at it. After all, what's the alternative, no Blu-ray release at all to discuss? Personally I'll take what's being offered and enjoy it for what it is. I did not find the 1.78:1 release on DVD a travesty. I own the 1.33:1 release and have a strong preference for it, but will happily take the 1.78:1 offering on Blu-ray. It would have been amazing had both aspect ratios been offered on Blu-ray. I would have happily paid a premium for that. Given HBO's track record though that's not something I'd expect from them.

[AmishParadise]

I finally got around to cataloging this in DVD Profiler and My Movies. Well, it's a start anyway. I'll be updating the profiles where needed once this is released. Looks great in My Movies for WMC7. Eye candy provided below. I especially like the backdrop I'm using which matches what was used for the cover art.

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Note the episode breakdown per disc shown above. Just hedging my bets. If this release is in fact 3 discs I would hope it's 4 episodes per disc. I also plan to add the bonus disc from the DVD set to the mix if the Blu-ray release doesn't port over the special features. In any event, won't be long now. Just 5 weeks and release day will be upon us. Looking forward to it.

[Alan Fraser]

The post about standard def being released on Star Trek TNG and CBS didn't get sales... is BS and not fact.

Blu-ray dot com ad and post that this is original aspect of 16x9... is BS and not fact.
The DVD release was zoomed in to make it appear 16x9 (and got fans ticked off).
The blu-ray is yet to be known if it will be original 4x3 or zoomed in 16x9.
The info all over the net is one story or another.

Please stop spreading BS and get the facts.