UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

How many of those "younger people" are married or even living on their own (aka not a dorm or their parents' house?)

This argument has been brought up over and over (we have one poster who has beaten it into the ground at this point) and it always seems like people have forgotten the very obvious fact that young people grow up.

Kids living at home have neither the money nor the space to set up a home theater, high end or otherwise. Once they grow up and have a place of their own, do you really think they'll continue to watch movies and TV on a tablet or laptop?

I think to some degree it's been engrained in them over time. When I was a kid, we played outside constantly....in open spaces as much as possible. There's been a whole generation of kids who would rather stay in a room and play video games alone or with their friends online than actually go outside and do something. A whole generation of kids weaned on Gameboys and the like.

[infiniteCR]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I would never buy into UHD discs with the insane copy protection methods in force for the format. Always-on internet connection? Discs registered to individual players? No 4k 3D format? UHD is already dead to me.

What is this Always-on internet connection part you are talking about mean?

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Maggot

I think to some degree it's been engrained in them over time. When I was a kid, we played outside constantly....in open spaces as much as possible. There's been a whole generation of kids who would rather stay in a room and play video games alone or with their friends online than actually go outside and do something. A whole generation of kids weaned on Gameboys and the like.

To be clear: that's supposed to be an argument that those kids won't grow up and get a nice big TV (and maybe a surround sound system) to play video games and watch movies?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by conradforever

I mean you can't say 4k bluray won't be much better because we havn't seen it yet. Everyone thought DVD was "good enough" untill blurays came out and blew people away.

And sadly, most people still think DVDs are "good enough". The vast majority of people were never "blown away" by blu-ray. Most still don't even know anything about it or what the point of it is.

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

To be clear: that's supposed to be an argument that those kids won't grow up and get a nice big TV (and maybe a surround sound system) to play video games and watch movies?

The trouble with your hypothesis is you believe the term "grow up" means they will think and act in similar fashion as you do. It's incredibly short-sighted and does upcoming generations a bit of a disservice to think their level of maturity can only be measured by their conforming to past generations.

You may be proven right, none of us know, but you're dealing with technologies that were heretofore unknown and you can't-or at least shouldn't-base your forecast on just your own experiences. You're preaching to the choir here, but outside of message boards devoted to home theater hardware and software, it's often a different story. I personally don't think home theaters will be as prosperous an ideal with the next generation or two, but by that time technology might have changed so much, the entire concept of home theater may be rendered into something entirely different.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

To be clear: that's supposed to be an argument that those kids won't grow up and get a nice big TV (and maybe a surround sound system) to play video games and watch movies?

That's true, they may....it's just I used to be in the camp that believed the impact of too much video games was lower than made out to be, but I've seen it first hand in a coworkers kids and I'm not so sure that a "conditioning" of sorts isn't going on there. The kids get so focused on a little screen and the game therein. Their attention spans and social skills are pretty poor. That's a condition that until my own personal recent experience, played out over countless articles and interviews, which I was never completely sold on, again until recently. Even when they have the chance to output from their laptops to a big screen or go to a Playstation/Xbox, they seem to prefer the small screen. This is all just plain scary to a guy who played ball and hide/seek in the street, socializing and generally wanting to get a bigger picture of life, "suck it all in like a sponge" if you will as a kid......than what I see and hear about in younger generations. Granted, I went into computers in my late teens during high-school and grew up with the standard 19 inch Zenith, then later the Mitsubishi big screen, but it's interesting to see what appears to be a whole generation transfixed on small screened, portable electronics.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Indeed.
Anyone using music as a reason to see the death of movies on disc as around the corner is a bit deluded. 15+ years since MP3s hit the scene and CDs still match downloads for album sales, and vinyl is making a strong comeback. In short: both digital and physical can coexist, marketed and designed for different consumers.

Not to be picky, but vinyl is not making what I would call a strong comeback. I'm a vinyl fan myself, and buy the occasional vinyl off Ebay. And it has certainly made a comeback in terms of it's popularity in the niche market, which I'm glad to see. But it's barely a blip compared to downloads and CD sales. The average teenager will not be buying vinyl albums. It might do better in large cities.

I agree that both physical media and streaming can co-exist. It can fill two different market bases. Those who own are different from those who rent, and sometimes those two groups can merge together also. It's not one or the other. There's a place for streaming (the digital equivalent of renting imo), and a place for purchasing. They can co-exist if handled properly.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Bob Kramer

We all know that new formats only succeed if adopted by the porn industry. So, wait and see.

(I'm betting they skip ahead to VR tech.)

They already make VR porn for the Oculus. And 4k porn also.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Maggot

There you go.......the younger crowd is equally, if not more so, comfortable with watching a movie on a big screen, a laptop or a tablet. A lot of us cringe, I know I do, when I see people watching a film on anything less than a big screen. I certainly can't and won't do it. I suppose if I'm confined to a hospital bed or sitting out a day in court, waiting to see if I get picked for a jury case, then a portable device like that would suffice, but other than that, it's the big screen or bust.

On a side note, it's actually understandable that the younger generation likes to watch everything on very small screens. I mean there's a whole generation of kids that grew up with portable gaming entertainment in their hands.

people always say this, but in reality I think it's just a function of age, I don't think it's actually a generational thing.

Young people for the most part either don't have control of the tv at home (because of parents) or would rather the privacy and independence of watching on a laptop or tablet in their room.

Then when they leave home they usually either can't fit a large tv or projector in their small apartments, or can't afford a big tv anyways.

I was fine watching movies on my laptop when I lived in a barracks and couldn't own a tv, then on my 26" LCD when I lived in a dorm and that was the biggest I could have.

Now I have a bigger apartment and I have a 55" 4K tv, which is the biggest I can realistically fit in the space.

A year or so from now when I buy a house I'll probably get a bigger tv or convert a spare bedroom into a theater with a projector.

I'm 29. My brother lives with me is more of a "millennial" at 22, and he absolutely loves that I have a big tv.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

The trouble with your hypothesis is you believe the term "grow up" means they will think and act in similar fashion as you do. It's incredibly short-sighted and does upcoming generations a bit of a disservice to think their level of maturity can only be measured by their conforming to past generations.

Thank you for telling me what I believe.

When I said "grow up," clearly I was referring to transitioning from a kid to an adult. You know - growing up. Moving out of your parents' house, starting your own life, etc.

You didn't answer my question, so should I assume that none of the "younger people" you were referring to are married or even living on their own?

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Not to be picky, but vinyl is not making what I would call a strong comeback. I'm a vinyl fan myself, and buy the occasional vinyl off Ebay. And it has certainly made a comeback in terms of it's popularity in the niche market, which I'm glad to see. But it's barely a blip compared to downloads and CD sales. The average teenager will not be buying vinyl albums. It might do better in large cities.

I agree that both physical media and streaming can co-exist. It can fill two different market bases. Those who own are different from those who rent, and sometimes those two groups can merge together also. It's not one or the other. There's a place for streaming (the digital equivalent of renting imo), and a place for purchasing. They can co-exist if handled properly.

I agree, vinyl is being bought by the owners of semi expensive to expensive systems that can bring out detail and warmth in an analog medium. Digital is not there yet for music in terms of matching fidelity, but it's getting closer and closer. That's a niche market. SACD's, DVD-A's, Laser Discs were a niche market. 4k, at least as a physical market......looks to be a niche market. I mean, newer formats haven't exactly taken off for the multitude of reasons brought up here. DVD's and CD's remain the historic king of physical media that consumers have wholeheartedly latching onto. No other physical media tech since then has been able to garner that amount of enthusiasm.

Perhaps the biggest underlying issue is that people don't really sit and listen anymore to music. Not that they can't hear something better, it's that portability means more to them. They also want their whole music library, thousands of songs, on their portable handheld unit. Large high resolution music files of all your music is still too big for your average cell phone or tablet. People will balk at that as they see the number of possible songs that can be stored as better over the quality of the files.

I see the same thing with video. Like as in music, your enthusiast/collector sees the video/film as more of an experience. It is something to be watched and taken in through sight and sound. Every line spoken, every scene gazed upon, every musical nuanced note. It's a whole sensual affair. It's not that the general public doesn't appreciate music and films, rather some of us are a bit more passionate about it from a details perspective. It's not just eye or ear candy, like perhaps that of the general viewer.....but more like the candlelight dinner, the stimulating conversation, the foreplay and making love.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

What is this Always-on internet connection part you are talking about mean?

Lol, after trying to track down where I had originally read this, I discovered that it was a cruel April Fool's joke by myce.com:

http://www.myce.com/news/leaked-emai...tures-2-75561/

I can't believe I fell for it.

Still, the fact that it was believable doesn't speak well for the industry. And thanks to the new HDCP standards, there will certainly be some confusion and gnashing of teeth:

http://www.cnet.com/news/hdcp-2-2-wh...-need-to-know/

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/tel...cp-2-2-1256763

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by Maggot

That's true, they may....it's just I used to be in the camp that believed the impact of too much video games was lower than made out to be, but I've seen it first hand in a coworkers kids and I'm not so sure that a "conditioning" of sorts isn't going on there. The kids get so focused on a little screen and the game therein. Their attention spans and social skills are pretty poor. That's a condition that until my own personal recent experience, played out over countless articles and interviews, which I was never completely sold on, again until recently. Even when they have the chance to output from their laptops to a big screen or go to a Playstation/Xbox, they seem to prefer the small screen. This is all just plain scary to a guy who played ball and hide/seek in the street, socializing and generally wanting to get a bigger picture of life, "suck it all in like a sponge" if you will as a kid......than what I see and hear about in younger generations. Granted, I went into computers in my late teens during high-school and grew up with the standard 19 inch Zenith, then later the Mitsubishi big screen, but it's interesting to see what appears to be a whole generation transfixed on small screened, portable electronics.

It's convenient. You can take it anywhere and it's not just a gaming thing. It's a texting, facebooking, email and whatever else thing. Also, it's not just the different generation. I can't count the people I see who are my age and older doing pretty much the same thing you're saying younger people are doing.

As with anything, whether it's candy, TV, gaming or whatever the case may be, lesson that remains to be taught to more people is moderation. The abuse of the technology is the problem. Not the technology itself.

[DiscoDan]

I've pretty much stopped buying since last year. I'm ready for 4K!

[Dick Deckard]

Originally Posted by Maggot

That's true, they may....it's just I used to be in the camp that believed the impact of too much video games was lower than made out to be, but I've seen it first hand in a coworkers kids and I'm not so sure that a "conditioning" of sorts isn't going on there. The kids get so focused on a little screen and the game therein. Their attention spans and social skills are pretty poor. That's a condition that until my own personal recent experience, played out over countless articles and interviews, which I was never completely sold on, again until recently. Even when they have the chance to output from their laptops to a big screen or go to a Playstation/Xbox, they seem to prefer the small screen. This is all just plain scary to a guy who played ball and hide/seek in the street, socializing and generally wanting to get a bigger picture of life, "suck it all in like a sponge" if you will as a kid......than what I see and hear about in younger generations. Granted, I went into computers in my late teens during high-school and grew up with the standard 19 inch Zenith, then later the Mitsubishi big screen, but it's interesting to see what appears to be a whole generation transfixed on small screened, portable electronics.

That's me right there. I have been conditioned to want to sit in a room by myself and stare at a computer screen all day. Because of that, I have terrible social skills and zero attention span. Living like this can get boring and depressing but I don't want to go outside though, it's more depressing and more boring out there.

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Thank you for telling me what I believe.

When I said "grow up," clearly I was referring to transitioning from a kid to an adult. You know - growing up. Moving out of your parents' house, starting your own life, etc.

You didn't answer my question, so should I assume that none of the "younger people" you were referring to are married or even living on their own?

You theorized that once people "grew up" they would adopt certain values and standards that you yourself SEEM to believe represents maturity. There was no question on my part of what you were referring to, it was perfectly clear. I just disagreed with your assessment of the situation and questioned your assurance that people who were conditioned by a certain method would suddenly abandon that once age and finances increased. My point was that there is no guarantee any of that would happen just because it apparently happened to you. Moreover, there is no guarantee what technology will exist. As I said before, the home theater technology of today is tomorrow's dinosaur.

Before I bow out of this discussion rather than become even more repetitious, I will answer your question and assumption. The majority of younger people I know are middle to upper middle class yuppies with plenty of disposable income. Many are IT workers who spend a lot of time with computer technology in all its various incarnations, but don't maintain home theaters to the degree that I and my older friends do.

Naturally this is not true of all younger people and I too hope that future generations will invest more of their energies into embracing the art of film and music, but with my limited experience I've found that some just don't see this the same way many of us who post here do. To them these are just fleeting pastimes, ways to fill an ever decreasing and too quickly fickle attention span. Were you to sit them down in your home theater and show them their all time favorite movie with the greatest of all presentations, barely 20 minutes in they would have their phone out. I know because that's exactly what happened when my gf and I had a few younger couples over for movie night. None were impressed by the presentation, but a few wanted to know why I had bought the movie. They asked why I didn't just stream it.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm on your side and wish that this situation was not heading down the road it seems to be. I don't want people watching movies on their phones, or as David Lynch so correctly said, "their f u c k ing phones." I want them to immerse themselves into the experience of living all things film, not just tossing it away in an feeding frenzy of shiny objects dangling in front of them.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

The majority of younger people I know are middle to upper middle class yuppies with plenty of disposable income. Many are IT workers who spend a lot of time with computer technology in all its various incarnations, but don't maintain home theaters to the degree that I and my older friends do.

So now these "younger people" are actually adults with jobs and places of their own? And I'm betting every single one of them has at least one (but more likely at least two - one in the living room and one in the bedroom) flat panels in their home. Apparently some of them even have home theaters, just not "to the degree that {you or your} older friends do."

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those people just don't share your interests or hobbies? I've never worked at a place that had more than maybe one or two other people who cared about home theater like I do.

I can pretty much guarantee that none of those "yuppies" are sitting in their living rooms watching TV on their tablets while the flat panel sits unused, especially if they're married.

So tell us all again how the sky is falling and home theater is going to die because of young people and their tablets and laptops...

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

So now these "younger people" are actually adults with jobs and places of their own? And I'm betting every single one of them has at least one (but more likely at least two - one in the living room and one in the bedroom) flat panels in their home. Apparently some of them even have home theaters, just not "to the degree that {you or your} older friends do."

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those people just don't share your interests or hobbies? I've never worked at a place that had more than maybe one or two other people who cared about home theater like I do.

I can pretty much guarantee that none of those "yuppies" are sitting in their living rooms watching TV on their tablets while the flat panel sits unused, especially if they're married.

So tell us all again how the sky is falling and home theater is going to die because of young people and their tablets and laptops...

Dude, you're getting way too worked up over this and embarrassing yourself. I already told you I don't want to argue with you, but you are persisting in some weird kind of logic twisting just to perpetuate the debate. I try not to engage in long winded, extended message board feuds, so my end of this is done. As I said before, my points have been made and I stand by them.

This situation appears to be nothing more than your incapacity to deal with anyone who disagrees with you. We do not think exactly alike on this subject. Accept it. Since you're so caught up in believing younger people will grow up out of their childish and immature ways, why don't you set an example for them and try doing it yourself?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

Dude, you're getting way too worked up over this and embarrassing yourself. I already told you I don't want to argue with you, but you are persisting in some weird kind of logic twisting just to perpetuate the debate. I try not to engage in long winded, extended message board feuds, so my end of this is done. As I said before, my points have been made and I stand by them.

This situation appears to be nothing more than your incapacity to deal with anyone who disagrees with you. We do not think exactly alike on this subject. Accept it. Since you're so caught up in believing younger people will grow up out of their childish and immature ways, why don't you set an example for them and try doing it yourself?

Do what I did, block him. I did it months ago!

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Do what I did, block him. I did it months ago!

Done! Thanks!