The Incredibles 4K UHD (2004)

[imsounoriginal]

As much as I can't stand most of the Pixar sequels (Toy Story 2 is the only good one IMHO), I kinda want more of them to happen if it means we get the existing movies on UHD lol

[s_har]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

But it is difficult to understand, at least for me. With all the films that have had 2K DI’s over the years, I’m not sure why anyone thought they were going to get anything but upscales of those sources on the format. And the people who DO complain are merely saying, “But it’s not REAL 4K because the numbers don’t match! It says 4K on the box, why is it 2K!” I don’t have enough life left in me to let out all the groans I’d like to whenever that point gets made.

I feel you because I'm also annoyed at all the people coming into this forum regularly complaining about 'fake 4K' (and that annoying realorfake4k website can die already). I often roll my eyes at people who can't see the difference between a UHD release of a properly handled 2K upscale and its BD counterpart. And even more annoying are the people who haven't even watched a UHD disc before and are still coming in here to complain. But as annoying as those complaints are I can still understand why some people are complaining.

I think the reason why it should not be too hard to understand why some people feel like they are being 'cheated' by the studios is because most people are not privy to any detailed knowledge on these matters, unlike most people who are regulars on this subsection of the forum. They just don't ave the technical know how to properly understand how a 2K upscale can still blow a BD out of the water. So all they see are those large numbers written on the front cover; 4K. And then they feel cheated.

Most people probably don't know 2K DIs having been the standard for the past 15 years and how much extra it actually costs to go 4K DI. Perhaps they've even read how movies like Guardians 2 were shot with an 8K camera and so it baffles them when they learn that the movie on disc is a 2K upscale.
And these days with 4K being so cheap and accessible with everyone and their grandma having the ability to shoot 4K with their smartphones and a ton of youtubers publishing their videos in 4K and all I don't really find it that hard to understand why many people are surprised Hollywood with their mega budgets and fancy equipment are still delivering in 2K.

After all, the reasons why most releases are 2K upscales and the reasons why the UHD release of a 2K upscale is still much better than a standard BD just isn't common knowledge.

[ZHobbs]

As of now, the listing has been removed from Best Buy

[maverick22]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Just finished and loved the PQ on JL. My that grain is all kinds of lovely. The detail in color and textures in costumes especially the Flash was beautiful. As for the movie I liked it. I’ve said it a billion times but I find the DC stuff so much interesting than Marvels. Audio was a misfire though. Not a stinker but could have been much better.

Did you mean to post this in the JL thread, Ross? Ha

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by maverick22

Did you mean to post this in the JL thread, Ross? Ha

Hahaha! FML. I was up early Maverick.

Carry on...

[maverick22]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Hahaha! FML. I was up early Maverick.

Carry on...

Haha I have done it before also! No worries, bud.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Really?! It's difficult for you to understand that when the outside of the box says 4K, someone who doesn't spend all their time on AV forums like we do might expect that what's inside the box might also be... 4K?

What's in the box is 4K, irrepective of the source. If you believe there should be two distinct tiers based on the source master, then we simply must disagree.

I'd rather consumers be told that a given 4K transfer is underwhelming and is among the likely candidates to be "remastered" someday. There won't be any remastering for Zero Dark Thirty though, will there?

[jh901]

Originally Posted by bbeck

Right now people are upset about Thor Ragnarok, which is dredging up bad memories about Avengers: Age of Ultron and (maybe? I don't recall) CA: Civil War.

Ah, so LFE.

Originally Posted by bbeck

Disney being the parent company involved, naturally there has to be some conspiracy involved to neuter the audio of all their physical media releases to cater to the mobile device users and moms with soundbars.

Hm. You've made up your mind, but there's more to sound quality, or specifically to the quality of a film soundtrack, than LFE that shakes the room. A 50s/60 musical should thrill on a proper home theater surround.

[bbeck]

I was just commenting on the situation. I actually don't subscribe to the view that Disney is purposely sabotaging physical media, so my remark was intended as sarcasm. I agree with you.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by bbeck

Disney being the parent company involved, naturally there has to be some conspiracy involved to neuter the audio of all their physical media releases to cater to the mobile device users and moms with soundbars.

If that was really the case then all they'd have to do was to include an additional stereo mix to cater to anyone without a surround setup (which honestly, given how most people are probably watching these movies in a stereo setting, they ought to be doing anyway).

[TM2-Megatron]

Originally Posted by s_har

If that was really the case then all they'd have to do was to include an additional stereo mix to cater to anyone without a surround setup (which honestly, given how most people are probably watching these movies in a stereo setting, they ought to be doing anyway).

That would require assuming that people have enough knowledge to chose the appropriate audio track for their equipment; which is assuming a lot (sadly).

Just as when you have to choose your language at the beginning of a Disney disc, maybe they should also ask you to choose between three different choices of audio setup... TV speakers, soundbar or home theatre. That way they'd be able to automatically choose the most appropriate mix and not have to worry confusing soccer moms or whoever it is people have said they're catering to.

[wildphantom]

Originally Posted by s_har

I feel you because I'm also annoyed at all the people coming into this forum regularly complaining about 'fake 4K' (and that annoying realorfake4k website can die already). I often roll my eyes at people who can't see the difference between a UHD release of a properly handled 2K upscale and its BD counterpart. And even more annoying are the people who haven't even watched a UHD disc before and are still coming in here to complain. But as annoying as those complaints are I can still understand why some people are complaining.

I think the reason why it should not be too hard to understand why some people feel like they are being 'cheated' by the studios is because most people are not privy to any detailed knowledge on these matters, unlike most people who are regulars on this subsection of the forum. They just don't ave the technical know how to properly understand how a 2K upscale can still blow a BD out of the water. So all they see are those large numbers written on the front cover; 4K. And then they feel cheated.

Most people probably don't know 2K DIs having been the standard for the past 15 years and how much extra it actually costs to go 4K DI. Perhaps they've even read how movies like Guardians 2 were shot with an 8K camera and so it baffles them when they learn that the movie on disc is a 2K upscale.
And these days with 4K being so cheap and accessible with everyone and their grandma having the ability to shoot 4K with their smartphones and a ton of youtubers publishing their videos in 4K and all I don't really find it that hard to understand why many people are surprised Hollywood with their mega budgets and fancy equipment are still delivering in 2K.

After all, the reasons why most releases are 2K upscales and the reasons why the UHD release of a 2K upscale is still much better than a standard BD just isn't common knowledge.

This. Well played sir.

[reeper]

Funny how this is re-releasing in 4K when the real benefit over the standard BD release would be finally releasing the 3D conversion they did a long time ago.

HDR/DV will not do much for a completely digitally rendered movie when the animators have complete control over every single pixel on screen already; and this 4K release coming from an upconverted 2K DI at that.

Come on, stop with this marketing BS.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by reeper

HDR/DV will not do much for a completely digitally rendered movie when the animators have complete control over every single pixel on screen already; and this 4K release coming from an upconverted 2K DI at that.

Have you seen the existing Pixar UHD releases? They're pretty awesome.

[aetherhole]

Oh boy, here's another one...

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

Oh boy, here's another one...

One-a-day plus iron(y).

[s_har]

Originally Posted by reeper

Funny how this is re-releasing in 4K when the real benefit over the standard BD release would be finally releasing the 3D conversion they did a long time ago.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. This should be released in both 4K and 3D. Too bad the 3D didn't happen, if like you say, they already have this movie converted to 3D.

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

Oh boy, here's another one...

We should all get paid a dime for each time. Everyone will be able to quit their jobs at this rate.

[WestMan]

How much of a benefit will we really get with the upgrade from Blu to 4K for animation?

[GasmaskAvenger]

I feel vindicated for cancelling the UK Mondo steelbook now.

It better include the bonus disc, though.