Raya and the Last Dragon (2021) [No 3D Blu-ray] [Digital only - AVP]

[ryanmcv]

Some pointless arguments going on in here. Even if Disney decided to release some exclusive 3D Blu-rays through DMC (which, by the way, is highly unlikely), there would absolutely be some sort group buy on this forum for those outside of the US. Hell, I would personally volunteer to organize the group buy myself. So I'm not sure how this conversation turned into "America vs. Rest of the World." At this point, we should just be hoping for any 3D Blu-ray releases anywhere in the world. If there's one thing those of us on this forum have learned over the past few years, it's how to import 3D discs from other countries, even if it seems impossible.

[3dblurayofsunshine]

This is definitely one of those things where people get mad at something they invented in their head. 3D on DMC is almost certainly not happening. Like I said, the person that runs DMC social media actively mocks 3D Blu-ray as a format.

I’m of the opinion that any release somewhere is better than nothing. For example, this Okko release. It’s a Russia only streaming site. The quality is bad. But it was inevitably shared online and that meant the quality could be improved and made to watchable standards. I’m much happier watching Raya in good but imperfect quality in 3D versus not watching it in 3D at all. If Disney only released 3D blurays in Portugal for whatever reason, and it was a limited release, I’d know that at the very least a copy would go online, and more people would get to watch it one way or another. I would much rather that happened than no release at all.

The phrase ‘beggars can’t be choosers’ very much comes to mind.

But as DMC will almost certainly not be releasing any 3D, there’s nothing to be choosy about. Let’s use this thread to discuss the 3D quality in Raya (and if anyone needs pointers on how to watch it in 3D, you can always PM me).

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by ryanmcv

Some pointless arguments going on in here. Even if Disney decided to release some exclusive 3D Blu-rays through DMC (which, by the way, is highly unlikely), there would absolutely be some sort group buy on this forum for those outside of the US. Hell, I would personally volunteer to organize the group buy myself. So I'm not sure how this conversation turned into "America vs. Rest of the World." At this point, we should just be hoping for any 3D Blu-ray releases anywhere in the world. If there's one thing those of us on this forum have learned over the past few years, it's how to import 3D discs from other countries, even if it seems impossible.

Thank you.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by ryanmcv

Some pointless arguments going on in here. Even if Disney decided to release some exclusive 3D Blu-rays through DMC (which, by the way, is highly unlikely), there would absolutely be some sort group buy on this forum for those outside of the US. Hell, I would personally volunteer to organize the group buy myself. So I'm not sure how this conversation turned into "America vs. Rest of the World." At this point, we should just be hoping for any 3D Blu-ray releases anywhere in the world. If there's one thing those of us on this forum have learned over the past few years, it's how to import 3D discs from other countries, even if it seems impossible.

The theory is great, the reality not as much as we learned with Spider-Man No Way Home 3D.

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

The theory is great, the reality not as much as we learned with Spider-Man No Way Home 3D.

An all-region player is a must.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

An all-region player is a must.

I was referring about scalpers.

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

I was referring about scalpers.

Does Random Space Media not ship everywhere?

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

Does Random Space Media not ship everywhere?

Almost everywhere I think, but scalpers were selling their copies they bought RSM 2 to 3 times its value. Now imagine from DMC how much would they charge for the rest of the world for 3D exclusives.

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

Almost everywhere I think, but scalpers were selling their copies they bought RSM 2 to 3 times its value. Now imagine from DMC how much would they charge for the rest of the world for 3D exclusives.

So then, if RSM sells everywhere, those particular scalpers can pound sand. As for DMC exclusives, like I said, they can currently be had on eBay for significantly cheaper than the Japanese 3D exclusives. If DMC 3D exclusives ever happened, they’d probably go for about what the Japanese 3D exclusives are going for, which wouldn’t make them any worse than the Japanese exclusives, which is my main point. If someone’s ok with the Japanese 3D exclusives, but wouldn’t be ok with DMC 3D exclusives, they haven’t a leg to stand on in court. But, yeah, it’s all moot anyway. The bottom line is that Disney suits suck major ass.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

So then, if RSM sells everywhere, those particular scalpers can pound sand. As for DMC exclusives, like I said, they can currently be had on eBay for significantly cheaper than the Japanese 3D exclusives. If DMC 3D exclusives ever happened, they’d probably go for about what the Japanese 3D exclusives are going for, which wouldn’t make them any worse than the Japanese exclusives, which is my main point. If someone’s ok with the Japanese 3D exclusives, but wouldn’t be ok with DMC 3D exclusives, they haven’t a leg to stand on in court. But, yeah, it’s all moot anyway. The bottom line is that Disney suits suck major ass.

You are comparing an ultra expensive market like the japanese one to justify scalping just for some americans get their business in day? I wonder how is the scalping market for those MCU japanese 3D titles. At least there is no second market with those. And people can buy the movies cheaper... at least half cheap, if they want just the 3D disc at least. But i don't think it's really viable.

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

You are comparing an ultra expensive market like the japanese one to justify scalping just for some americans get their business in day? I wonder how is the scalping market for those MCU japanese 3D titles. At least there is no second market with those. And people can buy the movies cheaper... at least half cheap, if they want just the 3D disc at least. But i don't think it's really viable.

Obviously I’m not justifying anything, merely stating facts, and it has nothing to do with Americans vs non-Americans. I’m saying that the end result for collectors everywhere would be about equal between the two situations. The two types of releases would most likely be able to be bought on eBay for around the same price.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

Obviously I’m not justifying anything, merely stating facts, and it has nothing to do with Americans vs non-Americans. I’m saying that the end result for collectors everywhere would be about equal between the two situations. The two types of releases would most likely be able to be bought on eBay for around the same price.

It has everything to do with people always trying to make money with other's misfortune. Japanese prices although high for the rest of the world are in line with their market. Not in line with the market is a corporation selling a good for a value and then some scalpers trying to make money on the backs of those corporations just because they got exclusivity in their country and then that corporation gets its image damaged because people will be aware that they need to pay double or triple just because of bad decision. And that is what kills distribution. I'm happy with Disney's decision, not because it makes it difficult for me or others to get the movies, but because it makes scalpers' business having really bad days.

Some 3D movies(interesting or not) these days are getting harder and harder to get just because scalpers are aware that there is demand and the offer is getting really low. Then we get shocked because some of those movies are being sold with 3 or 4 figures on their prices. If corporations don't get return there is no value on supplying anything. It happens with sneakers(Air Jordan exclusives, mostly) but with those there is always supply because people wear them and they get worn, but with movies we don't wear them on our feet, do we? So then studios just drop it because it isn't interesting for them anymore and they move to something fresh in their POV.

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by Jlardonio

It has everything to do with people always trying to make money with other's misfortune. Japanese prices although high for the rest of the world are in line with their market. Not in line with the market is a corporation selling a good for a value and then some scalpers trying to make money on the backs of those corporations just because they got exclusivity in their country and then that corporation gets its image damaged because people will be aware that they need to pay double or triple just because of bad decision. And that is what kills distribution. I'm happy with Disney's decision, not because it makes it difficult for me or others to get the movies, but because it makes scalpers' business having really bad days.

Some 3D movies(interesting or not) these days are getting harder and harder to get just because scalpers are aware that there is demand and the offer is getting really low. Then we get shocked because some of those movies are being sold with 3 or 4 figures on their prices. If corporations don't get return there is no value on supplying anything. It happens with sneakers(Air Jordan exclusives, mostly) but with those there is always supply because people wear them and they get worn, but with movies we don't wear them on our feet, do we? So then studios just drop it because it isn't interesting for them anymore and they move to something fresh in their POV.

Regardless of all that, my point remains that DMC 3D exclusives and the Japanese 3D exclusives would be available on eBay for about the same price, regardless of the exclusivity. I think both the Japanese and DMC exclusives are shitty. But neither is really shittier or better than the other IMO. Corporate Disney sucks balls, and not in a good way.

[3D_Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

Regardless of all that, my point remains that DMC 3D exclusives and the Japanese 3D exclusives would be available on eBay for about the same price, regardless of the exclusivity. I think both the Japanese and DMC exclusives are shitty. But neither is really shittier or better than the other IMO. Corporate Disney sucks balls, and not in a good way.

I've been watching the last 4 recent JP MCU titles, they can be had now for $62. Better than the original $80 ordering directly from Japan.

I agree with the general consensus here though - Disney is discriminating against everyone else outside of Japan who own 3D TV's and Projectors.

[2ndvizio]

So the complaint is that Disney is not releasing 3d movies in every country? I'm ok with them just releasing it in one country and we pay the high shipping. Now if Amazon can ship these movies to the US then I would be happier. Ebay I didn't find lower prices. Seems to be about the same as yes asia that does ship to US

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

Regardless of all that, my point remains that DMC 3D exclusives and the Japanese 3D exclusives would be available on eBay for about the same price, regardless of the exclusivity. I think both the Japanese and DMC exclusives are shitty. But neither is really shittier or better than the other IMO. Corporate Disney sucks balls, and not in a good way.

DMC Exclusives would still be a far better deal because for about the cost of ordering one 3D disc from Japan at $80 you could sign up with DMC, get a bunch of free discs, buy a couple right away to fulfill your obligation (one of which could even be the 3D title you're after since you can pick the titles), and from then on you can just buy future 3D DMC titles at about half the cost or less of ordering from Japan. There's no way Disney would charge near $80 for 3D DMC titles. They used to carry 3D titles until they stopped (not exclusives) and they weren't even $50.

Even if you join DMC for only that, it would still be well worth it and not much more than the cost of a single Japan import. Plus the discs would have proper English forced subs since it wouldn't be a Japanese disc. I think US DMC exclusives would make more sense than selling only to Japan.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by ryanmcv

Some pointless arguments going on in here. Even if Disney decided to release some exclusive 3D Blu-rays through DMC (which, by the way, is highly unlikely), there would absolutely be some sort group buy on this forum for those outside of the US. Hell, I would personally volunteer to organize the group buy myself. So I'm not sure how this conversation turned into "America vs. Rest of the World." At this point, we should just be hoping for any 3D Blu-ray releases anywhere in the world. If there's one thing those of us on this forum have learned over the past few years, it's how to import 3D discs from other countries, even if it seems impossible.

Group buys don't work well with DMC - they usually only allow a couple or few purchases of the same title before they start having a problem with it.

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by mar3o

DMC Exclusives would still be a far better deal because for about the cost of ordering one 3D disc from Japan at $80 you could sign up with DMC, get a bunch of free discs, buy a couple right away to fulfill your obligation (one of which could even be the 3D title you're after since you can pick the titles), and from then on you can just buy future 3D DMC titles at about half the cost or less of ordering from Japan. There's no way Disney would charge near $80 for 3D DMC titles. They used to carry 3D titles until they stopped (not exclusives) and they weren't even $50.

Even if you join DMC for only that, it would still be well worth it and not much more than the cost of a single Japan import. Plus the discs would have proper English forced subs since it wouldn't be a Japanese disc. I think US DMC exclusives would make more sense than selling only to Japan.

Isn’t DMC a US-only club?

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

Isn’t DMC a US-only club?

US and Canada.

As a general rule they limit you to 5 of a single title which is supposedly cumulative over the lifetime of the same billing and/or shipping address.

There are many people on the forum who have sold the non-3D exclusives for far less then the usual Ebay scalper prices so I have little doubt the same would happen IF DMC theoretically would start releasing 3D titles (not that I ever expect that to happen). I've certainly sold several titles at barely above cost of the disc (including Disney Discount) + shipping to US, AUS, and UK forum members.

[the13thman]

If they won't license their 3D titles out, Disney should just make them available manufactured on demand to anyone in the world. Or just open up the DMC to the world. As it stands, the DMC is the WORST physical media option anyone could suggest, except from a purely selfish point of view of course if you happen to live in America or Canada. "As long as I can get the disc, who cares about everyone in the rest of the world"

The only DMC title I own is The Black Hole which had to be reissued due to a fault on the disc. Dealing with that was a massive and expensive pain all because it was a DMC title and I'm not American.

Yes, the DMC is better than nothing, but only in the same way that having one of your legs cut off is better than having both of your legs cut off and either way it's certainly nothing to be wishing for when there are far more desirable options (MOD, RSM etc).