Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That pretty much seems to be Steedeel's attitude. Streaming is terrible and will lead to the end of films as we know them... but the streaming that he does is perfectly fine. Throw in something about kids today ruining everything for the full effect.

I am talking about people downgrading from disc to digital HD. The people only using Netflix etc.. were NEVER serious collectors in the first place. Less people care about ownership so of course more will switch to subscription. Now that rumours are floating around that some films might get pulled from digital stores due to exclusive streaming services, I think the format will be dead even faster than I thought.

I only have your word for what you watch. I seriously doubt you don’t watch ANY cable/broadcast etc..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

StingingVelvet posted this in another thread and I think it needs to be repeated here:



Clear evidence that titles on streaming can be modified or removed at any time. It's mentioned in the article that future reissues of the DVD will also remove the episode. But there is absolutely no possible way to remove the episode from the millions of DVD sets that have already been sold. That's a clear advantage that streaming can never match.

The only way to make sure that movies and TV shows remain available and unmodified is to support physical media.

You are just repeating what I was saying a few years back. Get your own material!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I do exact the same thing as well as I have done it for years. I have watched lots of movies & TV shows on broadcast TV which subsequently resulted me in having a good few of them owned as physical media purchases on DVD & Blu-ray.

Just last week; I was watching The Secret Life of Pets on RTÉ One HD last Saturday. I also watched movies from either RTÉ One & RTÉ2 HD like Alfred Hitchcock's classics like Rear Window & North by Northwest, The Fugitive, Blazing Saddles, X-Men Days of Future Past, Black Beauty.

I also watched shows like Krypton on E4 from the UK. Railway Journey Series from Michael Portillo on the BBC.

There was a new Irish historical drama series which aired on RTÉ in January called Resistance which was part of RTÉ's season of programmes on The Irish War of Independence. The prequel to that is called Rebellion which is a drama series about Ireland's Easter Rising of 1916. There is also an RTÉ documentary series about The Tales of the Irish Revolution that was narrated by Cillian Murphy.

All of this type of stuff could allow me to buy some of this stuff as physical media copies in future. Watching stuff on regular TV does continue drive the demand for purchases of titles in the physical media market in future. So I'm still confident that I will buy them in future.

Everyone does. It was the only means of watching films outside the cinema when I was a child. Like I said, I virtually lived in the ‘pictures’ as it was called back then but tv and later cable played a big part in my entertainment.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I only have your word for what you watch. I seriously doubt you don’t watch ANY cable/broadcast etc..

I watched cable when I was growing up. My parents were paying for it and I didn't have many other options. I haven't watched anything but physical media in over 10 years.

Even if I didn't have any concerns about content being available in the future, cable would be the last thing I'd ever want to watch. It's over-priced and full of commercials. Frankly I'm surprised that so many people prefer cable TV to streaming. I can see the appeal of a streaming subscription (a bunch of content for a low monthly price) but I don't understand the appeal of cable TV at all.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I watched cable when I was growing up. My parents were paying for it and I didn't have many other options. I haven't watched anything but physical media in over 10 years.

Even if I didn't have any concerns about content being available in the future, cable would be the last thing I'd ever want to watch. It's over-priced and full of commercials. Frankly I'm surprised that so many people prefer cable TV to streaming. I can see the appeal of a streaming subscription (a bunch of content for a low monthly price) but I don't understand the appeal of cable TV at all.

So, even when DVD was king, you were still watching other sources more than 10 years ago?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I am talking about people downgrading from disc to digital HD. The people only using Netflix etc.. were NEVER serious collectors in the first place. Less people care about ownership so of course more will switch to subscription. Now that rumours are floating around that some films might get pulled from digital stores due to exclusive streaming services, I think the format will be dead even faster than I thought.

I only have your word for what you watch. I seriously doubt you don’t watch ANY cable/broadcast etc..

That's not entirely true. You've more or less flipped out on some hardcore disc collectors for relatively minor use of digital options. One example being with Vilya, who buys and supports physical media at such a high rate that it outnumbers most of the rest of us combined.

Originally Posted by Vilya

He gave me "crap" because I redeemed 24 of the codes that came with my discs and because I rented a movie on Vudu (which led to a disc purchase). He told me that in a year's time that I would be a digital convert.

I buy more discs in two months than he does in an entire year. I have been buying physical media for over three decades, which is longer than he has even been an adult.

I do all that I can to support books, music, movies, and TV shows on physical media. I seldom buy games, but I can do better in that area when I do buy them in the future.

I don't mean any disrespect, Steedeel, but you do have this tendency to take any minor use of digital/streaming on anyone else's part as being the end of the world, but always have some excuse as to why you are a complete exception when you use it in some form.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just calmly pointing out the reality of what you have had a tendency to do.

[Hulkster]

Im really worried about future of bluray.

Samsung quit making bluray players.

I hate Netflix and other digital platforms. Bluray has much better quality and you actually own the movie/show/document when you have them on discs.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

But some of us have stopped supporting cable/satellite TV...

Oh gawd, not me. I love cable. Set aside news and live sports - those are different kettles of fish entirely - and I still love cable. TCM alone would almost be worth the price of admission. And even if I had the kind of self-control that would allow me to wait for Game of Thrones to hit BD (and ftr I most certainly do not) I'd be way too paranoid about spoilers to even think about trying.

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

...and have never supported streaming subscriptions.

Back when Netflix first added streaming to their disc accounts I used it a bit but when they split them a few years later I kept the disc account. I've almost signed up for a few different trial accounts but it appears I'm actually too lazy to stream stuff.

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You clearly continue to support both.

For all the sturm and drang about accomplices and accessories and blah blah blah his zero tolerance policies are clearly zero-ish tolerance policies.

As most zero tolerance policies tend to be once you scratch the surface.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So, even when DVD was king, you were still watching other sources more than 10 years ago?

I don't judge people based on what they've done in the past, people can change and learn from their mistakes. But you continue to support cable TV and streaming despite constantly saying that streaming will lead to the end of film as we know it.

Cable TV, streaming subscriptions, and digital purchases all have the same disadvantages over physical media. I don't know how you can decry digital purchases and condemn anyone who ever supports them in the slightest (as quoted below) but have absolutely no problem with supporting cable and streaming subscriptions yourself. It's extremely hypocritical.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Every single person who bought just one digital film or redeemed a code has screwed us. We can’t have best of both worlds, at least not for very long.

[PenguinInfinity]

I'm curious to hear what the digital evangelists have to say about the Simpsons situation and censorship in general. It's been discussed in a few topics but they seem to be absent.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I'm curious to hear what the digital evangelists have to say about the Simpsons situation and censorship in general. It's been discussed in a few topics but they seem to be absent.

That is absolutely ridiculous! I'm glad that I already have that season on DVD. I may even try to get a back up copy now that this is happening, and they are saying that even future reissues of the DVDs will not include the episode.

It's not even like these are new accusations. The topic was just "rekindled" because of that documentary. It's kind of funny that they didn't do this previously, but only now with the modern outrage culture.

I can somewhat understand pulling it from being on the air, and maybe to a lesser extent pulling it from the streaming app - if you look at the app as sort of a more modern form of TV airing (is a huge gray area). But it should still be included on the DVD sets and (even though I don't buy digital) the full season digital purchases. What's likely going to happen is it will be pulled from anyone who bought it digitally, which sucks.

[Steedeel]

This problem will only get worse. Think of all the thousands of films that will be censored or cut when the ‘snowflake’ generation get their way. I would never collect Digital HD for that reason.

Well, not just that reason, you know the other reasons.

Speaking of which, some official from the NBA said in an interview last week that although the sport is very popular with the younger demographic, they are not watching on tv, they are watching clips on social media or finding illegal streams online. More evidence for my views. Octagon will probably dismiss it because he doesn’t believe this is happening. All make believe apparently. Or maybe these kids will somehow all flock back to tv when they are of age. Yeah, right!

[Forestt]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

That is absolutely ridiculous! I'm glad that I already have that season on DVD. I may even try to get a back up copy now that this is happening, and they are saying that even future reissues of the DVDs will not include the episode.

They already selling the DVD's on ebay and listing them with Michael Jackson and the episode title in its descriptions. Especially the US versions, which are also already 3x more expensive than the region 2 versions (are still listed normally). Price will obviously go up a lot in the future.

[Forestt]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Speaking of which, some official from the NBA said in an interview last week that although the sport is very popular with the younger demographic, they are not watching on tv, they are watching clips on social media or finding illegal streams online. More evidence for my views. Octagon will probably dismiss it because he doesn’t believe this is happening. All make believe apparently. Or maybe these kids will somehow all flock back to tv when they are of age. Yeah, right!

What's your point? Watching sport is different than watching films/series. And is the same number of people watching sport or is that number increased now there are far more options available than in the past? Etc..

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Forestt

They already selling the DVD's on ebay and listing them with Michael Jackson and the episode title in its descriptions. Especially the US versions, which are also already 3x more expensive than the region 2 versions (are still listed normally). Price will obviously go up a lot in the future.

I expect prices to go back down in a few weeks. I've seen the same thing when video games were delisted due to rights issues: the price spikes because scalpers buy all the cheap copies and people briefly panic. But after a short time customers stop paying exorbitant prices and the scalpers drop their prices to sell all their remaining stock.

This set has millions of copies in circulation and has been out for 16 years, there isn't a shortage.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Forestt

What's your point? Watching sport is different than watching films/series. And is the same number of people watching sport or is that number increased now there are far more options available than in the past? Etc..

The point is, they aren’t watching on a tv screen. You are a newcomer and you need to understand my comments in relation to past discussions.

[Akibiyori]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

It's not even like these are new accusations. The topic was just "rekindled" because of that documentary. It's kind of funny that they didn't do this previously, but only now with the modern outrage culture.

The thing is no one is actually asking anyone to do these things. James L. Brooks is doing what a lot of dumb executives seem to be doing - assuming there’s a problem where there actually isn’t any. No one really cares about any of this stuff. Social media doesn’t count; walk up to anyone on the street and ask if any random thing should be banned or censored and you’d be greeted with, “Are you nuts?” (save maybe some old school Parent Television Council types or conservative Christians.) I’ve never personally met a person who thought censorship was a good thing.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Akibiyori

The thing is no one is actually asking anyone to do these things. James L. Brooks is doing what a lot of dumb executives seem to be doing - assuming there’s a problem where there actually isn’t any. No one really cares about any of this stuff. Social media doesn’t count; walk up to anyone on the street and ask if any random thing should be banned or censored and you’d be greeted with, “Are you nuts?” (save maybe some old school Parent Television Council types or conservative Christians.) I’ve never personally met a person who thought censorship was a good thing.

I agree. I think what Brooks is doing is anticipating a backlash (that in reality likely wouldn't have happened), and is pulling it before the outrage that he anticipates even has time to occur.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

For the heck of it, I went to my local Disc Replay store this morning shortly after they opened (it is a small chain of stores that sell used movies, video games, etc. located in the widwest) mainly to see if they had any copies of The Simpsons Season 3. While I still have my DVD set from when it first came out, I wanted to get a back up copy without spending an arm and a leg. Luckily they had one for $12.99.

Though I walked out having spent about $70 as I got some other things while I was there, including a used Sega Genesis.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Octagon will probably dismiss it because he doesn’t believe this is happening.

I'd be happy to discuss this interview. Do you have a link?

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I agree. I think what Brooks is doing is anticipating a backlash (that in reality likely wouldn't have happened), and is pulling it before the outrage that he anticipates even has time to occur.

Maybe or maybe he just doesn't want his name on that episode anymore.

I'm not crazy about the fact that Disney would apparently like to pretend that Song of the South doesn't exist anymore but it doesn't belong to me. It belongs to them.

And if they no longer want to be associated with it that's kind of their call.