Disney+'s - WandaVision (Season 1)

[Creed]

Originally Posted by Pounder

What a phenomenal episode wow. Almost close to calling this the best MCU content I’ve ever seen personally. Olsen is a superstar.

This is easily number three, thus far, after The Winter Soldier and Infinity War.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Certainly the most offbeat of Marvel’s endeavours to date, but it’s also the first to entirely drop the pretence of ‘newcomer’ friendly and entirely based around in-knowledge and gags for the fans (probably most egregious is Evan Peters “guest” appearance).

I'd argue the exact opposite is true. That is why WandaVision has broken out so wildly. As many of us have posted here, we know people who have never watched anything Marvel before that are in to WandaVision.

That's the beauty of the show, really. Yes, if you are immersed in the MCU (or the comics) you might get a lot of different things that those that are new don't, but the structure of the show itself has been such that anyone can pick it up and follow along. This is particularly true after Episode 8 today - they have thoroughly covered Wanda's backstory and her relationship with Vision.

When you look at it structurally, WandaVision operates on multiple levels depending on your prior knowledge. For those of us who do follow MCU, this episode may have dragged a bit because it covered what we already knew (though in greater detail) - but for those who don't, this was all revelatory. The purpose of this last episode seemed quite clear - it basically put everyone on the same page before the finale.

People said similar things about accessibility when Ahsoka appeared on Mandalorian, insisting that people would be totally lost - and clearly, that wasn't the case, just like it really isn't here.

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Guys.

It was made clear that

[Show spoiler]Agatha used necromancy to bring to life a random Westview citizen. She even said Wanda was so distraught that she believed it to be Pietro. When really it was 🎶Agatha All Along🎶

This is nothing more than the same plot mechanism used in WW84 that had Diana imagining some dude to be Trevor.

Originally Posted by AnimalCMan

Wrong. She specifically states she used a basic possession spell. She never said who she possessed or where she found him. This is sure to be answered next week.

Yes, Agatha did not cast a necromancy spell or a creation spell, it is a straight-up possession spell.

I think Agatha possessed this Westwood chump to go emotionally manipulate Wanda. Wanda believed this chump was Pietro and gave him powers (that is why he has superspeed because an ordinary citizen wouldn't).

So maybe once Wanda stopped believing him to be Pietro he lost his superspeed and once Agatha lifts her spell, he will go back to be being an ordinary citizen.

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by Pounder

What a phenomenal episode wow. Almost close to calling this the best MCU content I’ve ever seen personally. Olsen is a superstar.

I definitely think Olsen should win some awards for this maybe. Maybe the Emmys will consider the show though I don't know what their eligibility periods are. But she's definitely acting her heart out here.

I think even Hahn and Parris have been tremendous and should get consideration in supporting categories.

[joshsquash729]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

I'd argue the exact opposite is true. That is why WandaVision has broken out so wildly. As many of us have posted here, we know people who have never watched anything Marvel before that are in to WandaVision.

That's the beauty of the show, really. Yes, if you are immersed in the MCU (or the comics) you might get a lot of different things that those that are new don't, but the structure of the show itself has been such that anyone can pick it up and follow along. This is particularly true after Episode 8 today - they have thoroughly covered Wanda's backstory and her relationship with Vision.

When you look at it structurally, WandaVision operates on multiple levels depending on your prior knowledge. For those of us who do follow MCU, this episode may have dragged a bit because it covered what we already knew (though in greater detail) - but for those who don't, this was all revelatory. The purpose of this last episode seemed quite clear - it basically put everyone on the same page before the finale.

People said similar things about accessibility when Ahsoka appeared on Mandalorian, insisting that people would be totally lost - and clearly, that wasn't the case, just like it really isn't here.

I'd have to agree. My mom, who couldn't give a flying flapjack about most anything Marvel (other than the GotG movies, because she has a major crush on Dave Bautista), has fallen in love with WandaVision. She was drawn in by the ode to classic sitcoms, and has since gotten wrapped up in the love story and mystery. Same reason she was drawn to Guardians initially- the soundtrack. She said she's willing to give the other movies a try, but she'd prefer to stick to things that are tonally similar to WandaVision or Guardians.

[goeagles5039]

[Show spoiler]Didn't the Director say that Wanda stole Vision's body? Which obviously wasn't the case.

[Lemmy Lugosi]

This episode paid off, big-time. I was still fence-sitting with my opinion on this show. But the writing for this episode hit a home run right outta the park.

Oh, and the stinger?? O...M...G!!!

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by goeagles5039

[Show spoiler]Didn't the Director say that Wanda stole Vision's body? Which obviously wasn't the case.

Yup, shady af.

[Show spoiler]I hope White Vision massacres him without mercy

[goeagles5039]

[Show spoiler]I never really realized that Wanda was never referred to as Scarlet Witch in the movies. Was it really because of the Fox thing, and now they can?

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by joshsquash729

I'd have to agree. My mom, who couldn't give a flying flapjack about most anything Marvel (other than the GotG movies, because she has a major crush on Dave Bautista), has fallen in love with WandaVision. She was drawn in by the ode to classic sitcoms, and has since gotten wrapped up in the love story and mystery. Same reason she was drawn to Guardians initially- the soundtrack. She said she's willing to give the other movies a try, but she'd prefer to stick to things that are tonally similar to WandaVision or Guardians.

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

I'd argue the exact opposite is true. That is why WandaVision has broken out so wildly. As many of us have posted here, we know people who have never watched anything Marvel before that are in to WandaVision.

That's the beauty of the show, really. Yes, if you are immersed in the MCU (or the comics) you might get a lot of different things that those that are new don't, but the structure of the show itself has been such that anyone can pick it up and follow along. This is particularly true after Episode 8 today - they have thoroughly covered Wanda's backstory and her relationship with Vision.

When you look at it structurally, WandaVision operates on multiple levels depending on your prior knowledge. For those of us who do follow MCU, this episode may have dragged a bit because it covered what we already knew (though in greater detail) - but for those who don't, this was all revelatory. The purpose of this last episode seemed quite clear - it basically put everyone on the same page before the finale.

People said similar things about accessibility when Ahsoka appeared on Mandalorian, insisting that people would be totally lost - and clearly, that wasn't the case, just like it really isn't here.

Fair enough, but I still feel like there are confusing aspects that are simply dropped in that we bewilder newcomers (the snap, the mind stone, the actual history of vision). I know they do “Previously on” but still it appears to not have any real explanation on the show other than they’re just things you should already know.

I guess it’s me underestimating the ability of audiences as to fill the gaps, but I also took my dad to watch Endgame because he wanted to see the film with all the actors in despite him not really knowing what was going on, and still felt pretty safe that most of the story is contained in there (and he did love it), but with this, I don’t think he’d have the patience to tackle the sitcom aesthetic with as little as they hint towards in it’s earliest period.

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by goeagles5039

[Show spoiler]I never really realized that Wanda was never referred to as Scarlet Witch in the movies. Was it really because of the Fox thing, and now they can?

[Show spoiler]No, she really had no reason to be called that. In their 'world' it wouldn't make any sense other than it sounding cool to say. Now it can

[AnimalCMan]

Originally Posted by slumcat

Yes, Agatha did not cast a necromancy spell or a creation spell, it is a straight-up possession spell.

I think Agatha possessed this Westwood chump to go emotionally manipulate Wanda. Wanda believed this chump was Pietro and gave him powers (that is why he has superspeed because an ordinary citizen wouldn't).

So maybe once Wanda stopped believing him to be Pietro he lost his superspeed and once Agatha lifts her spell, he will go back to be being an ordinary citizen.

I may sound like I’m beating a dead horse here, but I am still ready to die on the Fietro is Fox-Men Quicksilver hill.

I get people’s reluctance to believe this, but the reveal he’s just some average Joe would frankly not make any sense to me, and I still feel like those not wanting to believe he’s Quicksilver are missing the storytelling setups they’ve been giving us to believe this—the biggest being we already know this ties in Multiverse of Madness. We know Wanda or somebody will rip open the multiverse and as I stated before I still believe Wanda unwittingly pulled him from another dimension before he was possessed.

There’s also the fact that Wanda can warp reality, but there’s been ZERO evidence shown she can grant people powers so far. This could be shown later for sure, but at this time it makes more sense she was altering the appearance of that Quicksilver’s powers to appear more like her brother’s looked, hell she already altered his appearance.

So maybe I’m wrong, maybe he’ll be revealed as a nobody, but to me that would be a huge letdown. Also his appearance next to Monica in last weeks post-credits scene seems like he still has powers since he appears out of nowhere. Also I don’t believe he’s still being possessed since I don’t think Agatha could possess someone AND be dealing with Wanda at the same time.

[Joey9775]

Originally Posted by slumcat

Yes, Agatha did not cast a necromancy spell or a creation spell, it is a straight-up possession spell.

I think Agatha possessed this Westwood chump to go emotionally manipulate Wanda. Wanda believed this chump was Pietro and gave him powers (that is why he has superspeed because an ordinary citizen wouldn't).

So maybe once Wanda stopped believing him to be Pietro he lost his superspeed and once Agatha lifts her spell, he will go back to be being an ordinary citizen.

There's no reason to cast Evan Peters if he's just a random guy unless its a meta joke, which is not Feige territory. And as said before there's no evidence that Agatha or Wanda can give super speed powers to anyone. The possession is only to force Peter into Fietro as he has no idea who Wanda is anyway.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by AnimalCMan

I may sound like I’m beating a dead horse here, but I am still ready to die on the Fietro is Fox-Men Quicksilver hill.

I can't imagine that it is not. Even if they don't fully explore it here, it clearly was done for a reason. If it was just "some random" they could have cast 1000's of other actors. It clearly is some sort of plot point, as they have pointed it out too many times on the show for it to just be some throw-away reference.

[Tony208]

That was the best episode yet! Can't wait to see how it all ends.

[Agent Bond]

[Show spoiler]

I lost my sh**! I waited 6 years for it!

[Creed]

[Show spoiler]Hayward really tampered footage, to make Wanda look like the villain.

Always a prick from the get-go....

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by jeangreyforever

[Show spoiler]Agatha and her coven seemed to possess the same type of magic but weaker (since Wanda's were boosted by the infinity stone) and I wouldn't call them mutants. I think it'll be more clear once we learn more about the Scarlet Witch and Wanda's destiny to become that but that very clearly seems mystical in nature, not anything genetic with an x-gene.

No. Agatha is an actual witch, Wanda is either a mutate or a mutant.

[goeagles5039]

[Show spoiler]So are Wanda's kids real or just made up in Westview? I don't know if I should really care about them or not.

[kannibaliztik]

Originally Posted by goeagles5039

[Show spoiler]So are Wanda's kids real or just made up in Westview? I don't know if I should really care about them or not.

[Show spoiler]Oh they aren't going anywhere, Young Avengers down the pipeline.