Tremors 4K UHD (1990)

[Vulture Lives]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

The point is it shouldn't matter. Men find what they find attractive in a woman. There's no right or wrong in regards to what a man may find attractive in a woman. The point Tremors was making was that there's more to a woman than just her looks. That doesn't mean you all of the sudden stop desiring the basic physical attractive qualities you desire in a woman.

We're talking past each other. I already said in my first post that there was nothing wrong with his preference for blondes and such. But the movie's point of view is that his superficial and objectifying attitude towards women is wrongheaded. That's not necessarily my point of view. But it is the point of view of the movie. So what I'm asking is this - is a movie not allowed to include "male chauvinist" dialogue even if the ultimate purpose is to criticize it? Is that how bad things have gotten?

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by Vulture Lives

We're talking past each other. I already said in my first post that there was nothing wrong with his preference for blondes and such. But the movie's point of view is that his superficial and objectifying attitude towards women is wrongheaded. That's not necessarily my point of view. But it is the point of view of the movie. So what I'm asking is this - is a movie not allowed to include "male chauvinist" dialogue even if the ultimate purpose is to criticize it? Is that how bad things have gotten?

Oh my bad. I misunderstood that part of your post.

I would say yes that is how bad things have got unfortunately. There's been a definite chokehold in regards to this topic alone. Basically it never ends well when brought up.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

I would say yes that is how bad things have got unfortunately.

What? I feel like I don't live in the same reality as some of you guys. Movies and shows still absolutely do this?
So many random, baseless 'world's gone mad' posts around here.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

What? I feel like I don't live in the same reality as some of you guys. Movies and shows still absolutely do this?
So many random, baseless 'world's gone mad' posts around here.

Thank you for proving my point.

[Kyle15]

Valentine is accurate representation of surly working class man who hams it up with his other surly working class man friends about big ass and boobers. It's okay to relate to that and doesn't mean one literally mistreats people directly as objects. I literally talk about men the same way he talks about women's looks but I don't cavort around treating them like meat cuz people r people.

The movie is obviously not a self-bettering guide as fiction isn't as a whole. The Satanic panic was just as funny, though the moralists who get upset about characters like these place their grounding in moral posturing in the fact that there's nothing magical or supernatural at play, though it certainly sounds like it when swapping nouns and so forth. So whatever! Moral panics over art go thru phases. Next!

It's not an end of days thing, just an observation.

[heavyharmonies]

And this is why we can't have nice things.

What is wrong with films objectifying women, men, thin people, fat people, tall people, short people, black, white, yellow, brown, straight, gay, bi, Christian, Buddhist, agnostic, atheist, [INSERT GROUP HERE]? It's escapism... fiction... fantasy... it's OK for film characters to have societally unacceptable traits and even portray those bad traits in a positive light if that is the filmmaker's/scriptwriter's perspective. But no, politically correct screeching ensues.

It's a [CENSORED] movie!

#politicalcorrectnessmustdie

[GaragePoet]

who is really trying to hold Tremors up as some sort of sociological barometer? maybe movies aren't for you

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

who is really trying to hold Tremors up as some sort of sociological barometer? maybe movies aren't for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSSF...ature=youtu.be

[Vulture Lives]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Valentine is accurate representation of surly working class man who hams it up with his other surly working class man friends about big ass and boobers. It's okay to relate to that and doesn't mean one literally mistreats people directly as objects. I literally talk about men the same way he talks about women's looks but I don't cavort around treating them like meat cuz people r people.

The movie is obviously not a self-bettering guide as fiction isn't as a whole. The Satanic panic was just as funny, though the moralists who get upset about characters like these place their grounding in moral posturing in the fact that there's nothing magical or supernatural at play, though it certainly sounds like it when swapping nouns and so forth. So whatever! Moral panics over art go thru phases. Next!

It's not an end of days thing, just an observation.

To be clear, I'm not one of the moralists to which you refer. I personally don't care if a character is a "male chauvinist." I can like a character even if he's absolutely despicable with no redeeming qualities. But Tremors has a point of view. It's not a "self-bettering" guide, and it's not lecturing the audience. But it's not siding with Valentine's attitude towards women either. Fred Ward explicitly criticizes Valentine over it, and Valentine has a change of heart by the end.

My whole point was that the "male chauvinist" dialogue exists in Tremors for the purpose of setting up a character arc - a character arc that concludes with Valentine becoming a "better" man. It's supposed to be a feel-good moment. So would people really cry sexism over such a thing? Is that type of "sexist" dialogue really off limits regardless of context?

Valentine's dialogue is pretty mild anyway. "World class breasts." Yeah, I don't think that would be his word of choice

[Filmmaker]

This new thing where Millennials and Gen Zers want to lose their minds every single day because they can't handle that society in the '80s and '90s wasn't what society is in 2021 annoys the ever-lovin' shit out of me. It's honestly starting to make me despise all generations post-Gen X. There's no end of shit wrong in this world presently--focus on that.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Vulture Lives

To be clear, I'm not one of the moralists to which you refer. I personally don't care if a character is a "male chauvinist." I can like a character even if he's absolutely despicable with no redeeming qualities. But Tremors has a point of view. It's not a "self-bettering" guide, and it's not lecturing the audience. But it's not siding with Valentine's attitude towards women either. Fred Ward explicitly criticizes Valentine over it, and Valentine has a change of heart by the end.

If I was unclear, I wasn't taking a potshot at you. I think your point was pretty clear how you felt and my post wasn't directed toward that.

My whole point was that the "male chauvinist" dialogue exists in Tremors for the purpose of setting up a character arc - a character arc that concludes with Valentine becoming a "better" man. It's supposed to be a feel-good moment. So would people really cry sexism over such a thing? Is that type of "sexist" dialogue really off limits regardless of context?

Valentine's dialogue is pretty mild anyway. "World class breasts." Yeah, I don't think that would be his word of choice

That's how I feel about it tbh!

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

This new thing where Millennials and Gen Zers want to lose their minds every single day because they can't handle that society in the '80s and '90s wasn't what society is in 2021 annoys the ever-lovin' shit out of me. It's honestly starting to make me despise all generations post-Gen X. There's no end of shit wrong in this world presently--focus on that.

To be clear - this argument started because some people said 'you couldn't make a movie like Tremors today', even though Tremors' point of view is that objectification is wrong. So you absolutely could. But even if Tremors was in support of objectification and chauvinism... you could make that today too. Ben Shapiro's little outfit is producing movies these days. I just feel like people are complaining about an invisible enemy.

I don't think there are many Millenials and Gen Xers who are doing what you say. Not that I've seen anyway. This all seems like an extended imagination of the 'culture war'. Like Alex Jones shouting into the distance about the war on christmas that isn't even happening. Movies that harken back to, and have the same attitudes as those present in 80s and 90s movies are still getting made every day. Hollywood has been pretty liberal about its espoused ideologies but conservative in it's thinking for a long time and that hasn't changed much.

Nobody actually thinks there's anything wrong with Tremors, or any other movies like it!

[Scottishguy]

The fact is you can't make a film like any another film during it's time.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

This new thing where Millennials and Gen Zers want to lose their minds every single day because they can't handle that society in the '80s and '90s wasn't what society is in 2021 annoys the ever-lovin' shit out of me. It's honestly starting to make me despise all generations post-Gen X. There's no end of shit wrong in this world presently--focus on that.

More what certain people from certain backgrounds of my generation can't handle is the guilt they feel for their perceived affluence. And what lead to this phenomenon? Internet, and 24/7 news.

So they've effectively hijacked every social justice issue, not with the collective aim of actually solving any of these pressing issues.

But just to alleviate their own personal feelings of guilt, and maintain a good social standing with their peers doing the same nonsense. The truth is they are not pargons of virtue. They are just ruthless as any business man on Wall Street.

My mother often bemoans how loud the world has gotten, that there's no room for silence in our heads anymore. That we've all lost our own little words now, and are all mixed up in this one big mess of a world.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

This new thing where Millennials and Gen Zers want to lose their minds every single day because they can't handle that society in the '80s and '90s wasn't what society is in 2021 annoys the ever-lovin' shit out of me. It's honestly starting to make me despise all generations post-Gen X. There's no end of shit wrong in this world presently--focus on that.

I would agree with the point about too many people focusing on the wrong things, allowing more petty matters to draw their attention away from the real problems. But I disagree that this is exclusive to the youngest generations. Gen Xers, boomers and older are just guilty of sticking their heads in the sand and pretending the crises - economic, environmental, etc. - we're facing aren't real, instead focusing on and getting worked up over the more inconsequential stuff.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I would agree with the point about too many people focusing on the wrong things, allowing more petty matters to draw their attention away from the real problems. But I disagree that this is exclusive to the youngest generations. Gen Xers, boomers and older are just guilty of sticking their heads in the sand and pretending the crises - economic, environmental, etc. - we're facing aren't real, instead focusing on and getting worked up over the more inconsequential stuff.

Or the post war world is over, the lingering 20th century is violently coming to an end. I've been going on about that for 20 year's.

[bergman864]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

This new thing where Millennials and Gen Zers want to lose their minds every single day because they can't handle that society in the '80s and '90s wasn't what society is in 2021 annoys the ever-lovin' shit out of me. It's honestly starting to make me despise all generations post-Gen X. There's no end of shit wrong in this world presently--focus on that.

The idea of people losing their mind daily over societal change isn't exclusive to younger generations. It's a idiotic a viewpoint as whatever the so called "other side" believes is happening.

Way too much generational dissonance based on unfounded preconceived notions.

[HarcourtMudd]

... and I came in here for a discussion about... i dunno... the movie itself...?!? Silly me.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by HarcourtMudd

... and I came in here for a discussion about... i dunno... the movie itself...?!? Silly me.

In the second sequel the third form/stage/evolution of the creatures fly by shooting fire out of their ass. We could discuss that.

[Filmmaker]

People acting like Gen Xers and Boomers have the same complete lack of historical context fueling their rage as Millennials and Gen Zers alternately amuse and irritate me.