Killers of the Flower Moon (2023)

[avs commenter]

When this coming to Apple TV?

[dkelly26666]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

When this coming to Apple TV?

They still haven't said. Soon, I would think.

[DukeTogo84]

Marty is a pretty big proponent of physical media, so I'm sure this is getting a US release at some point. The question is if it's through Paramount or Criterion? If Paramount, I could see a release early 2024. If Criterion, could be awhile. Maybe late 2024 at the earliest.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

Marty is a pretty big proponent of physical media, so I'm sure this is getting a US release at some point. The question is if it's through Paramount or Criterion? If Paramount, I could see a release early 2024. If Criterion, could be awhile. Maybe late 2024 at the earliest.

This movie screams Criterion all the way.

Paramount knows sales will not be great.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

This movie screams Criterion all the way.

Paramount knows sales will not be great.

Beaucoup too much money...Criterion.
And Paramount is a cheap Hollywood movie studio with their 4K Blu-ray packages.
And Apple is no oranges.
DVD is retro.

The big screen is the way of King Kong and Godzilla.
3D Blu-ray? Marty did good with Hugo.

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

This movie screams Criterion all the way.

Paramount knows sales will not be great.

Yeah, I'm thinking it will get a Criterion collection. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a November 2024 title.

[dkelly26666]

Well, I've certainly done my part for this.

On a spur of the moment thing, my friend and I caught a matinee of this again, today.

They wanted to go and see it, so I went again. I've now seen it three times on the big screen.

Plus, I pre-ordered the Italian steelbook BD.

I've done what I can for it, LOL.

Now, my son and I are headed back out shortly to see "Napoleon", too.

BIG movie day for me.

[spanky87]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

When this coming to Apple TV?

Originally Posted by dkelly26666

They still haven't said. Soon, I would think.

New York Times said 45-day theatrical window. So 45 days from release will be in 2 weeks. So either then or shortly after. I assume Apple would want at least a week to promote its Apple TV premiere.

[dkelly26666]

This film is receiving an honorary award at the Gotham Awards in NYC this week.

https://variety.com/2023/film/awards...ticle-comments

[TheStuntMan]

Originally Posted by dkelly26666

Plus, I pre-ordered the Italian steelbook BD.

Do you think it will have English subtitles for the non-English dialogue?

I haven't seen the film (4 hours without a bathroom break), so I don't know if the film has English subs "burnt it" even when the film is otherwise subtitled (as it used to be in the days of film prints).

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by spanky87

New York Times said 45-day theatrical window. So 45 days from release will be in 2 weeks. So either then or shortly after. I assume Apple would want at least a week to promote its Apple TV premiere.

It'll be out on PVOD on December 5th. On Apple TV at a later date.

[dkelly26666]

Originally Posted by TheStuntMan

Do you think it will have English subtitles for the non-English dialogue?

I haven't seen the film (4 hours without a bathroom break), so I don't know if the film has English subs "burnt it" even when the film is otherwise subtitled (as it used to be in the days of film prints).

Not positive.

But the same label previously released the also-Apple streamer, "CODA", and it is very English friendly.

It has the English language soundtrack, and includes forced subs in English for the sign language scenes. Or, you can select an English subs option that subs the whole film, spoken or unspoken, in English. Or, you can select an Italian dubbed soundtrack and there are also Italian subs for the whole film, spoken and unspoken. But, if you just choose the English language track, but don't select subs, you get the English language film but still with subs for the sign language scenes. I'm hoping they did something similar for this film.

I'm hoping this will get a US release soon, anyway.

[LordoftheRings]

Just the seasonal update: It passed the $150M worldwide sound barrier (38 days).

Grosses
DOMESTIC (43.2%)
$65,675,456
INTERNATIONAL (56.8%)
$86,200,000
WORLDWIDE
$151,875,456

[dkelly26666]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Just the seasonal update: It passed the $150M worldwide sound barrier (38 days).

Grosses
DOMESTIC (43.2%)
$65,675,456
INTERNATIONAL (56.8%)
$86,200,000
WORLDWIDE
$151,875,456

Not bad at all. Apple expected to make back their investments in original films on their streaming service in three to five years. Instead, this film grossed three quarters of its budget back in a month. On top of the enormous critical acclaim and potential awards attention (and long shelf life). As others have said, if it wasn't so mega-budgeted, it would have been a hit.

152 million is pretty good for a long dark adult drama like this.

And time will be its greatest vindicator, when years from now it's a classic film that people still study and talk about.

[cgpublic]

Whatever one's opinion of this film, it lost upwards of $200M.

[dkelly26666]

“KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON” Receives The Gotham Historical Icon & Creator Tribute - YouTube

The Gotham Awards ceremony.

[Jay Mammoth]

Glad for the movies success, thanks Apple.

[OnlyJapantown]

Whoever cut that bit from De Niro's speech was trying to do him a favour. And his behaviour toward Apple was extremely ungracious considering they funded Killers of the Flower Moon even when it must have been clear it would never make its budget back.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Whatever one's opinion of this film, it lost upwards of $200M.

Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon are Apple TV+
They don't calculate the revenues like other films @ the box office; it's a different system.
I'm not sure if they'll lose money; I doubt it. But I could be right.

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon are Apple TV+
They don't calculate the revenues like other films @ the box office; it's a different system.
I'm not sure if they'll lose money; I doubt it. But I could be right.

Both will 100% lose money. Like you can do the math too.

The diff is Apple isn't dependent upon it's film division to turn a profit. It literally makes billion from it's device divide division.

So in business terms - apples film and TV division is a loss leader.