Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

I'm saying maybe you should consider installing a barometer into your sense of taste and not be so fixated on liking everything in the world on equal footing just so everybody sees you as a mellow and cool guy.

I couldn't possibly care less how people "see me". My opinion is just that, my opinion! If you agree, great. If you don't, great.
I'm not here to change people's opinions. Just express me pleasure about the things that I like.
Seriously, does it bother you(and others) that I like things? If so, too bad!
Perhaps you should consider adjusting your barometer!
If you don't like what I have to say, by all means, place me on ignore!

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Thankfully most directors use that sort of 'cut and paste' style editing to make their stuff better (Fincher is a prime example, he's the king of the digital tinkerers), and don't use it as a crutch to get away with not putting 100% into it the first time.

Yeah, Fincher wouldn't be doing dozens of takes if he weren't interested in getting it right eventually in the camera. I remember reading an article when they were shooting Gone Girl, and a producer said that at that point in the production, Fincher was averaging about 50 takes.

One of my favorite Fincher quotes is, "I hate earnestness in performances. Usually by take 17 the earnestness is gone."

[Geoff D]

But the irony is he shoots take after take after take and then splits & merges his preferred performances together using digital tools anyway. He and his editors use both sides of the process to get to the very best end result that they can.

[aiman04]

Getting the best performance of the actors and putting the shots together in the editing room is two differrent thing. An editor's job is not just to choose the best takes. Fincher do a lot of takes until he satisfies with the actors' performances and then manipulate them digitally in the editing room for angle, composition, flow, etc.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Getting the best performance of the actors and putting the shots together in the editing room is two differrent thing. An editor's job is not just to choose the best takes. Fincher do a lot of takes until he satisfies with the actors' performances and then manipulate them digitally in the editing room for angle, composition, flow, etc.

I don't think you quite understand what I mean. Fincher doesn't just cut the scenes regarding angle, composition, flow (which is editing 101), I mean he actually merges the performance from one take together with that of another take to form a hybrid shot - so after all that shooting to get what he wants he still doesn't use the unadulterated shot, he's always tinkering with something or other. On Dragon Tattoo they were split-screening up to four different takes into a single shot.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by EvaDK

So, basically: all you SW figure collectors who thought to yourselves that with all the new stuff coming out, at least you don't have to re-buy the classic droids.... suckers!

Was about to remark that with potentially billions of identical droid units in the galaxy, surely they'd find another gold arm, but then I remembered that 3PO already has a silver leg.

[Geoff D]

Yeah, the silver leg was the first thing that came to mind. Who says they're not cynically doing this stuff to remind people of the old days of Star Wars?

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't think you quite understand what I mean. Fincher doesn't just cut the scenes regarding angle, composition, flow (which is editing 101), I mean he actually merges the performance from one take together with that of another take to form a hybrid shot - so after all that shooting to get what he wants he still doesn't use the unadulterated shot, he's always tinkering with something or other. On Dragon Tattoo they were split-screening up to four different takes into a single shot.

I totally get what you mean, that angle, composition thing just some examples which include merging performances as you mentioned. Just responding to AaronJ's post about Fincher doing a lot of takes, getting right in camera for the acting which is of course the only way to do it. He seems to disagree about your point of Fincher tinkering the shots. Sorry I should've quoted him in my post.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I totally get what you mean, that angle, composition thing just some examples which include merging performances as you mentioned. Just responding to AaronJ's post about Fincher doing a lot of takes, getting right in camera for the acting which is of course the only way to do it. He seems to disagree about your point of Fincher tinkering the shots. Sorry I should've quoted him in my post.

Hey, I'm not disagreeing that Fincher wants to get it right before he heads into the edit, my point is that he's a fiend for all this digital tinkering in spite of his legendary perfectionism with the camera. Fincher's exacting style makes use of the best of both worlds.

Uncle George, on the other hand, was happy to play it fast and loose on set precisely because he had the panacea of digital at his command, and he came to rely far too much on making the movie after the fact instead of getting what he needed on the day.

[aiman04]

Of course Geoff, I was responding to Aaron's post.

[Geoff D]

Just thought I'd reiterate it for Aaron's benefit.

[EvaDK]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Yeah, Fincher wouldn't be doing dozens of takes if he weren't interested in getting it right eventually in the camera. I remember reading an article when they were shooting Gone Girl, and a producer said that at that point in the production, Fincher was averaging about 50 takes.

There's a very good example of this in the extras of the The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo BD release. He and his crew were shooting what is basically a train arriving at a station and Daniel Craig exiting the train. It's hilarious to witness to what efforts Fincher does take after take, wanting the light/falling snowflakes/the density of snowflakes falling/exactly how much of the Sunset is visible/yadda yadda to be exactly right.

But I'm very happy we are blessed with directors like Fincher, now that we lost the Maestro of doing additional takes Stanley Kubrick in 1999.

[Geoff D]

I've always wondered how Kubrick would've reacted to having all this digital control over his movies, and Fincher's basically the answer to that. Stan would've been like a kid in a candy store.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

[Show spoiler]

C-3PO has a red arm.

Posted 2 pages ago.

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Was about to remark that with potentially billions of identical droid units in the galaxy, surely they'd find another gold arm, but then I remembered that 3PO already has a silver leg.

The silver leg was his original color. It would look better if the new arm is at least silver too. It seems that Chewbacca will not be the only character with a new arm, C-3PO too.

[EvaDK]

Chewbacca could be the one responsible for Threepio's new shiny red arm. Remember Han's warning about losing a game to a Wookie...?

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've always wondered how Kubrick would've reacted to having all this digital control over his movies, and Fincher's basically the answer to that.

We did have those digitally inserted actors to obscure the most naughty bits of Eyes Wide Shut in its US release, didn't we? Not made by him, but approved never the less, to get the US rating he was contractually obliged to deliver the film with.

Kubrick didn't appear to me to be a filmmaker that would allow himself to depend on digital trickery to make the film exactly as he wanted it to be. A.I. might have shed some light on this, had he been alive to actively collaborate with Spielberg on it while the film was in production.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by EvaDK

We did have those digitally inserted actors to obscure the most naughty bits of Eyes Wide Shut in its US release, didn't we? Not made by him, but approved never the less, to get the US rating he was contractually obliged to deliver the film with.

Kubrick didn't appear to me to be a filmmaker that would allow himself to depend on digital trickery to make the film exactly as he wanted it to be. A.I. might have shed some light on this, had he been alive to actively collaborate with Spielberg on it while the film was in production.

Kubrick used every method at his disposal in order to get what he wanted, it's not about "depending" on digital but using it like everything else in order to make the film as good as it could possibly be. He loved filmmaking technology in whatever guise it came in, and I genuinely think he'd be playing around with it like Fincher: shooting the shit out of his movies with all the exactitude and precision you'd expect, and then tinkering with it like a mofo in post.

[aiman04]

I know he's been called a scoundrel, but I always take it in a playful way. I never saw him as an outright liar to his women. Why are they doing this? Is it something to make sense of Han's attitude in The Force Awakens? You know when someone say "he wouldn't do that, that's not his character" and the other person will be able to say "well he did something similar in the comics".

[Thomas Guycott]

Wait for additional context before judging the revelation completely.

[aiman04]

I know, but it just caught my attention. I just had a bad feeling about it. Probably nothing, hopefully they will give his character justice with this new twist, not changing so much of the character we all love.

[Richard Graham]

3PO's new arm is a merchandise selling point disguised as "OMG our heros had it rough after Jedi". It's even a different size so you can't simply paint an old figure's arm red. It's the same same concept as having a square radar dish on the falcon, and 10 new Stormtrooper outfits.

I'm not cynical about it. I plan to grab a figure of every single one of those trooper armors.