Unpopular Movie Opinions: Part III

[Kaiju]

What's everyone's favorite Tim Burton film? Just got Big Fish in 4K today... definitely one of his best. Beetlejuice might be my forever favorite of his though.

[CyberpunkCentral]

My favorite Tim Burton film is Ed Wood.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by Mikezilla3k

While Returns is not a good adaption of the comics, it's so damn great as a Burton film.

Up there with Edward Scissorhands as his best.

It's a dumb popcorn flick dressed up as a gothic film, for the sake of being dark.

No facts support the thesis of Return being a great film let alone a masterpiece, it's actually trash.

But then again, this is the most Pro-Snyder/Burton/Marvel site in history, and the most Anti-Nolan one.

So, you are free to give praise to that film, but then just accept the obvious superiority of even V For Vendetta over it, let alone TDKR and Logan.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Still can't get over what a masterpiece The Dark Knight is. So I defend the horrendous BvS.

Yeah, unfortunately this happened.

The enormous success of the trilogy which single handedly saved the Batman franchise out of of the darkness, and influenced a genre, was too much for Burtonites (and Marvelites) to accept, therefore they have to resort to subjective hating which is not supported in any way, shape or form given that specialized critics and audiences like these films a lot and to prop up their mediocre popcorn flicks.

As if hating in an online board and voting against every single time (Like Gacivory does) is proof of anything except having extreme bias as a spectator with no qualification therefore a not reliable source.

But then, I like some MCU films more than Batman 89 and Returns because they are atleast what they are and they are not some gothic films for the sake of being gothic.

Promote your own team mentality, does what exactly? Nothing.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Yeah, unfortunately this happened.

The enormous success of the trilogy which single handedly saved the Batman franchise out of of the darkness, and influenced a genre, was too much for Burtonites (and Marvelites) to accept, therefore they have to resort to subjective hating which is not supported in any way, shape or form given that specialized critics and audiences like these films a lot and to prop up their mediocre popcorn flicks.

As if hating in an online board and voting against every single time (Like Gacivory does) is proof of anything except having extreme bias as a spectator with no qualification therefore a not reliable source.

But then, I like some MCU films more than Batman 89 and Returns because they are atleast what they are and they are not some gothic films for the sake of being gothic.

Promote your own team mentality, does what exactly? Nothing.

wot

[HipsterTrash]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Yeah, unfortunately this happened.

The enormous success of the trilogy which single handedly saved the Batman franchise out of of the darkness, and influenced a genre, was too much for Burtonites (and Marvelites) to accept, therefore they have to resort to subjective hating which is not supported in any way, shape or form given that specialized critics and audiences like these films a lot and to prop up their mediocre popcorn flicks.

As if hating in an online board and voting against every single time (Like Gacivory does) is proof of anything except having extreme bias as a spectator with no qualification therefore a not reliable source.

But then, I like some MCU films more than Batman 89 and Returns because they are atleast what they are and they are not some gothic films for the sake of being gothic.

Promote your own team mentality, does what exactly? Nothing.

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Yeah, unfortunately this happened.

The enormous success of the trilogy which single handedly saved the Batman franchise out of of the darkness, and influenced a genre, was too much for Burtonites (and Marvelites) to accept, therefore they have to resort to subjective hating which is not supported in any way, shape or form given that specialized critics and audiences like these films a lot and to prop up their mediocre popcorn flicks.

As if hating in an online board and voting against every single time (Like Gacivory does) is proof of anything except having extreme bias as a spectator with no qualification therefore a not reliable source.

But then, I like some MCU films more than Batman 89 and Returns because they are atleast what they are and they are not some gothic films for the sake of being gothic.

Promote your own team mentality, does what exactly? Nothing.

Why don't you just grow up. We get it you don't like the Burton films. Play a different record.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by Gizz

Why don't you just grow up. We get it you don't like the Burton films. Play a different record.

I rarely talk about them. I don't care about him as a director or what people say/do actually.

From what i've seen, this site is the most Pro-Burton and Snyder in history though, that explains why far, far superior films gets a lot of flack here.

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I rarely talk about them. I don't care about him as a director or what people say/do actually.

From what i've seen, this site is the most Pro-Burton and Snyder in history though,

You talk about them all the time.

[Darthvaderrocks]

The best part about Nolan's magnificent trilogy, is not just the fact that it makes Burton's abominations seem like the generic, poorly written, style-over-substance messes they truly are, but have allowed the masses to take a look at Burton's entire directorial resume and see it for the overhyped tripe it's been since the Emo version of Edward James Olmos blackened cinema over 3 decades ago. Films like Pee Wee's Big Adventure is being referred to more and more as "Jar Jar Binks: The Prequel" with every passing year, and the vast majority of his Depp collabs have been exposed for the flat, repetitive narratives and cliche stock characters they've always displayed.

Congratulations to Christ-opher Johnathan James Nolan for completely expunging Burton's entire filmography from the minds of future film watchers and curb-stomping him right out of pop culture relevance. It aint' even remotely close except for people living in the past.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by Gizz

You talk about them all the time.

I don't care about em.

For me, the cinematic portrayal of Batman - starts with Batman Begins and ends with The Dark Knight Rises.

The rest is all fan fiction that is not worth watching

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I don't care about em.

For me, the cinematic portrayal of Batman - starts with Batman Begins and ends with The Dark Knight Rises.

The rest is all fan fiction that is not worth watching

I will agree that both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are both good films they are. The Dark Knight Rises sucks however. However for me Burton's films are better that's my opinion it is not right and it is not wrong same as your opinion and that is what it is.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by Gizz

I will agree that both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are both good films they are. The Dark Knight Rises sucks however. However for me Burton's films are better that's my opinion it is not right and it is not wrong same as your opinion and that is what it is.

Well, that's just your subjective opinion.

But you're a Burtonite, so it make sense that you grew up back in the day with these films and that's why you would pick Burton over Mann or Returns over TDKR, despite the obvious superiority of the latter.

TDKR is a fantastic film and leagues above Burton's trash portrayal of Batman.

BB is the best comic book origin story and TDK is the greatest comic book film of all time and one of the best films of the last 20 years.

[AreaFive]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

The enormous success of the trilogy which single handedly saved the Batman franchise out of of the darkness, and influenced a genre

You're referring to Nolan's Batman films here, however, due to your being younger, you may not realize that Burton's Batman films were viewed in much the same way at the time.

When looking at the success of Burton's Batman, it's important to remember that at the time of its release, despite some of the absolute best Batman comics of all time having been released in the previous few years, if you asked the average person about Batman, the first thing to come to their mind would have most likely been the campy 60s TV show. I think that for many people, Burton's films were seen as "saving" the franchise from that and returning it to a relatively darker tone. Additionally, Burton's involvement definitely helped legitimize the film to critics, many of whom were extremely positive.

Your usual response to information that doesn't fit your narrative is to dismiss it as tribalism, so I'll inform you in advance that somehow, I've actually not watched Burton's Batman films and, aside from questionable casting for Ra's al Guul and Bane, enjoyed Nolan's Batman films a great deal.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by AreaFive

You're referring to Nolan's Batman films here, however, due to your being younger, you may not realize that Burton's Batman films were viewed in much the same way at the time.

When looking at the success of Burton's Batman, it's important to remember that at the time of its release, despite some of the absolute best Batman comics of all time having been released in the previous few years, if you asked the average person about Batman at the time, the first thing to come to their mind would have most likely been the campy 60s TV show. I think that for many people, Burton's films were seen as "saving" the franchise from that and returning to a relatively darker tone. Additionally, Burton's involvement definitely helped legitimize the film to critics, many of whom were extremely positive.

Your usual response to information that doesn't fit your narrative is to dismiss it as tribalism, so I'll inform you in advance that somehow, I've actually not watched Burton's Batman films and, aside from questionable casting for Ra's al Guul and Bane, enjoyed Nolan's Batman films a great deal.

The evidence is quite conclusive to say that Batman was almost a dead brand because of the mess that Batman & Robin was. Begins completely changed comic book films at the time, and was an amazing film.

Burton films did not save anything, they were just the first. Batman was still selling a lot of comics and was popular back in the day. Also, critics prefer TDKR over any of Burton's let alone BB or TDK.

Of course tribalism exists, i mean especially with Burton, Snyder and Marvel.

What questionable casting you are referring about? Hardy was perfect for the role and a huge, huge improvement over the clown that was represented in Batman and Robin.

I did mention Gilliam and the discussion went into Nolan. Not my fault some people can't stop mentioning him.

[AreaFive]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Imbued with the usual menate dictated by personal antipathy

I'm often accused of being overly verbose or of speaking too formally. Despite that, however, this still cracked me up. Very few people here are going to take anything you say seriously when your response begins in such a way. Then again, I'm not sure too many people here take you seriously anyway at this point.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by AreaFive

I'm often accused of being overly verbose or of speaking too formally. Despite that, however, this still cracked me up. Very few people here are going to take anything you say seriously when your response begins in such a way. Then again, I'm not sure too many people here take you seriously anyway at this point.

Lol, you might be not familiar with the user in question. He's got an hate boner purely based on aversion and antipathy of the director and can't accept objective facts, at all. It does not matter how many evidence is in your side, and the fact his arguments are pretty much paper thin and based off nothing but personal bias and they have nothing to support his "thesis", he continues to hate and votes against anything and uses personal attacks against someone who doesn't even know about his existence and probably could care less about what a spectator says.

He's an hater completely fossilized in his "takes".

And i don't care about what people say or do in an internet board.

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by AreaFive

I'm often accused of being overly verbose or of speaking too formally. Despite that, however, this still cracked me up. Very few people here are going to take anything you say seriously when your response begins in such a way. Then again, I'm not sure too many people here take you seriously anyway at this point.

My point still stands: paper thin arguments based off nothing and personal bias, and denying objective facts, makes someone an hater (of someone who doesn't even know about his existence or probably cares about some spectator says).

Nothing to support his thesis, at all. Nothing to dismantle evidence of years and years of experts that are more competent based off the hierarchy of knowledge.

I don't care about what people say or do in an internet online board.

[AreaFive]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

The evidence is quite conclusive to say that Batman was almost a dead brand because of the mess that Batman & Robin was. Begins completely changed comic book films at the time, and was an amazing film.

Batman & Robin was definitely received poorly to say the least and would have certainly given anyone considering making another Batman film pause and, yes, Batman Begins was excellent. I'm especially fond of how it's clearly influenced by Batman: Year One.

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Burton films did not save anything, they were just the first.

You may not feel that way but I already explained to you why for many people at the time it was viewed that way, especially those who were tired of having Batman dismissed as camp.

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Batman was still selling a lot of comics and was popular back in the day.

Yes, just as he was before Batman Begins (although most likely not selling as many comics as the industry overall has waned in the time between but that's another topic) but regardless these two essentially cancel out.

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Of course tribalism exists, i mean especially with Burton, Snyder and Marvel.

I never said it didn't. I was just informing you that my post wasn't due to it.

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

What questionable casting you are referring about? Hardy was perfect for the role and a huge, huge improvement over the clown that was represented in Batman and Robin.

While I am a fan of Liam Neeson and Tom Hardy, I felt they were incredibly miscast in those roles. It definitely seemed like a missed opportunity to me. I vastly prefer the comic and/or Batman: The Animated Series iterations of those two.

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I did mention Gilliam

You did. 12 Monkeys is such great film, isn't it? Your time would have been better spent praising it instead of beating the same dead horse.

[AreaFive]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I don't care about what people say or do in an internet online board.

Then why post here? Or frequent here at all?