Unpopular Movie Opinions: Part III

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by AreaFive

So, I just watched Black Swan, finally. What a remarkable film. It's definitely my favorite performance from Natalie Portman.

The only other film of Aronofsky's that I've seen is Requiem for a Dream (I love how these both have homages to Perfect Blue).

Which film of his would you all recommend next? I was thinking of The Wrestler.

The story goes. Aronofsky actually owns the remake rights to Perfect Blue. So he could keep recreating scenes.

My favorite of his is The Wrestler. I need to rewatch The Fountain.

[AreaFive]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

I'm a Manchester United fan, and never, not once have brought up sports into this. Is there a sports section in this site?

It's called an analogy (you can often tell one is being used when you see the words "you're like" or "this is like").

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

So it seems like you've just got a personal grudge against Inception, if you use different standards when it comes to Arofonsky's work.

Not at all, I just didn't care for it (which surprised me to be honest as I was very much expecting to) and mentioned once previously that I thought it "borrowed" heavily from Paprika, way past the point of an homage.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Atomic Salad

Noah is better than The Fountain

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by AreaFive

It's called an analogy (you can often tell one is being used when you see the words "you're like" or "this is like").



Not at all, I just didn't care for it (which surprised me to be honest as I was very much expecting to) and mentioned once previously that I thought it "borrowed" heavily from Paprika, way past the point of an homage.

I know, but i mean besides the avatar i don't see where you would see a sports team mentality from me.

Come on, maybe Inception and Paprika shared the same concept of a dream world, (which was not invented by Satoshi Kon but there are MANY films with a similiar subject) but each film has a completely different story.

Nolan was probably inspired by the images of Paprika, and yes, he made some scenes like those of Paprika look like homage, the only one in the mirror.

But some moviegoers here were trying to accuse him of stealing the idea when Arofonsky did it worse. With all due respect, no.

Nolan didn't screw Paprika, although there are similar visual presentations in the dream sequences. The false accusation is not valid since writing and visualizing are two different things. Nolan had worked on the script for Inception prior to the release of Memento (2000), and he also had a script meeting for Inception with Warner Bros in 2001, so no. He didn't rip, steal or copy Paprika. He just paid tribute to Satoshi, through those inspired scenes. So simple. Just like The Matrix and Ghost In The Shell.

Beyond some of the ideas behind Ellen Page's character, there wasn't much that could be said that she was directly similar because one could easily point to another movie, and it's unlikely that Nolan would have read Paprika's novel.

Also, as mentioned, Inception is basically like a reverse bank robbery movie.

http://deadline.com/2011/01/oscar-ch...wood-original/

The resemblance to both films has to do with "dreams", but this is where the similarity ends.

Paprika is actually an old school detective novel that uses this "dream state" as a means of showing this dream state out of reality. There are no rules, no morals and no real meaning. Paprika is able to embody the unpredictable out of context that a dream takes on a person. Sometimes it feels all too real and other times you are tied to your surroundings with no physical way of escaping until you wake up. is. Paprika borrows from Dreamscape, but does less about horror and more about self-identification.

Inception is a heist film that uses the reality-related dream layer as a playground and tries to engage the idea that your dream state is capable of affecting your reality.

Case closed, for haters at most it will be plagiarism. So it seems like you used double standards here.

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

I haven't seen them all.



Got a link?



Like?

Yet, but you dislike all of em that you did see...

Don't remember it.

Not worth re-opening a discussion on it.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

Yet, but you dislike all of em that you did see...

Disliking something makes me a Hater? You don't see me trolling MCU threads.

Don't remember it.

So you just made this up?

You hate them enough, that you made me defend the MCU one time.

Not worth re-opening a discussion on it.

Yeah, probably not.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

TF is wrong with you?

Originally Posted by Foggy

[Gacivory]

You gotta be CyberDrunk to eat that CyberJunk!

[dvining]

Darren Aronofsky is the Michael Bay of the art film scene, and I like Michael Bay.

[CreasyBear]

[dallywhitty]

I'll defend pineapple on pizza till I'm blue in the face, but banana? It's a sin.

[CyberpunkCentral]

[AMenard]

Originally Posted by Darthvaderrocks

What fool, dude i care exactly zero about what a random stranger on the internet thinks about me. I'm not afraid to say what i actually believe about films or even users atleast.

You have zero arguments except subjectivity and bashing "muh old gen man thinks it's an edge lord because he does not like realism"

What matters are facts, which are that the trilogy took Batman to a whole level in terms of praise and box office results. Your opinion can't change anything about this.

Burton's Batman is garbage and just a emotionless edge lord and a creepy killer who smiles when he kills people. Bale's Batman is genuine, layered and complex instead of being a dumbass who fights a penguin.



You are a massive MCU and Nolan hater. You hate them enough, that you made me defend the MCU one time.

We are all spectators, but the difference is that i know how to argue for my points with things that are worth more than words.

You mad? Yeah, you mad!

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

[Show spoiler]

[dvining]

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

I loved that show so much, but Doug was trippin’ with that one.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Kaiju

What's everyone's favorite Tim Burton film? Just got Big Fish in 4K today... definitely one of his best. Beetlejuice might be my forever favorite of his though.

Batman Returns and Sweeney Todd

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by AMenard

You mad? Yeah, you mad!

I'm not. I might have exagerated my reply (my bad, apologize) but i still stand to my point.

The Dark Knight still remains the best comic book film of all-time and no "hur durr Batman Returns" comments will ever change that.



I don't mean to dismiss opinions from spectators. That's not how I feel and I probably could have been clearer. I just mean in terms of stating if a movie is the best, as a quantifiable thing or something supported by reliable sources, so it's supported by facts.

I have other stuff to do, so let's end the discussion here.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Kaiju

What's everyone's favorite Tim Burton film? Just got Big Fish in 4K today... definitely one of his best. Beetlejuice might be my forever favorite of his though.

Mars Attacks
Big Fish
Batman Returns
Batman
Beetlejuice

[Darthvaderrocks]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Mars Attacks
Big Fish
Batman Returns
Batman
Beetlejuice

Yeah, this sums up your personal vendetta, out of rage because of how Nolan completely destroyed Burton's garbage Batman films.

[dvining]

Tim Burton is one of those directors I keep planning on doing a deep dive on, but I keep putting off. I'm going through Howard Hawks right now (super worthwhile, by the way).

I own something like half of his movies. I've already knocked out two of his worst recently (Planet of the Apes and Alice in Wonderland), so I'd be going through while skipping over a couple of his lowest points.

Eh...maybe next. Or Dreyer. Or Spielberg. Or maybe Bunuel for a real challenge.