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Old 11-29-2023, 03:03 PM   #1441
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Caught a showing of this yesterday and really quite liked it. Only started to feel a little too long toward the end, but even then, I was never restless. Thought it was very well done, and really captured the greed and cruelty of the time, but didn't necessarily hit you over the head with it. There's a few moments, especially with De Niro's character, that don't quite register at first until you think about them and just how awful and two-faced he was. Thought he played the part excellently without ever delving into full villain mode. Leo was great as Ernest too- a simple-minded buffoon who's coerced into being the scapegoat for his uncle's evil deeds, but also ends up becoming evil himself. Lily Gladstone was superb as well, with such quiet intensity at times. Really found myself drawn to her whenever she was on screen.

Was a little put off by the ending. I appreciated the radio drama aspect of it, and the cameos were cool, but it did pull me out of things a little. I think a title card or narration would've had the same effect. Still, it was a really well done movie that shed light on something that should never have been covered up. Made me want to delve a bit deeper into my native ancestry too.

I think this may be the biggest competition, at least acting-wise, that Oppenheimer has this year. I thought it was a lock for Oppenheimer and most of its cast, but I think Leo, De Niro, and Gladstone could give Cillian, Emily, and Downey a run for their money.
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Old 11-29-2023, 04:22 PM   #1442
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It'll be out on PVOD on December 5th. On Apple TV at a later date.
any source on this?
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Old 11-29-2023, 08:21 PM   #1443
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There are no official dates yet, only guessing games.

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Killers of the Flower Moon may begin streaming on Apple TV+ as early as December.

According to a new report from WhenToStream, Apple recently shifted its release schedule, moving Gary Oldman's Slow Horses series from Friday, December 1 to Wednesday, November 29.

While not yet confirmed, the reshuffling may potentially be the result of Killers of the Flower Moon coming to the streamer in early December.

However, it's unlikely that the Martin Scorcese epic will be released on December 1 as that date falls short of the 45-day window where theaters exclusively showcase the film.

Therefore, the best bet for Killers of the Flower Moon's Apple TV+ premiere is the following Friday, December 8.
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Old 11-30-2023, 12:14 AM   #1444
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I'll stream it a couple of times on Apple, to show support for them making it.

But I'm getting in my 4K and blu ray steelbook from Italy on Jan. 25, and that will be my preferred way to watch it until a US physical release shows up.
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Old 11-30-2023, 09:08 AM   #1445
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any source on this?
Someone on the Boxoffice subreddit said their TV provider lists upcoming digital releases and Killers appears with a Dec. 5th date.
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Old 11-30-2023, 12:18 PM   #1446
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Someone on the Boxoffice subreddit said their TV provider lists upcoming digital releases and Killers appears with a Dec. 5th date.
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Old 11-30-2023, 03:12 PM   #1447
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Someone on the Boxoffice subreddit said their TV provider lists upcoming digital releases and Killers appears with a Dec. 5th date.
even thrown a broken clock can still be right twice a day, i don’t know that i trust reddit for any information.
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Old 11-30-2023, 05:43 PM   #1448
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Old 11-30-2023, 06:59 PM   #1449
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even thrown a broken clock can still be right twice a day, i don’t know that i trust reddit for any information.
https://www.whentostream.com/news/ap...he-flower-moon

They probably have the same source, that reddit comment. We'll find out next week if it's true or not.
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Old 11-30-2023, 07:09 PM   #1450
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The New York Film Critics Circle (NYFCC) has just released their list of award winners for 2023.

Christopher Nolan has been named Best Director for Oppenheimer, and the film has also won Best Cinematography.

Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon has won Best Film and Best Actress for Lily Gladstone.

These are the two big winners from the awards. The start of the awards season has begun.
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Old 11-30-2023, 10:24 PM   #1451
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https://thewellesleynews.com/2023/11...e-flower-moon/

An Indigenous Perspective.
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Old 11-30-2023, 10:36 PM   #1452
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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...awards-insider
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Old 12-01-2023, 12:49 AM   #1453
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Both will 100% lose money. Like you can do the math too.

The diff is Apple isn't dependent upon it's film division to turn a profit. It literally makes billion from it's device divide division.

So in business terms - apples film and TV division is a loss leader.
I thought Apple was filthy rich?
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Old 12-01-2023, 01:56 AM   #1454
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I thought Apple was filthy rich?
did i say it isn't?
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Old 12-01-2023, 02:56 AM   #1455
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I don't know why on Earth I'd bother, but here goes....

So, for the 50th time....

When Apple decided to start creating original films for their streaming service, they set aside 1.2 billion dollars to develop a handful of huge films exclusively for their streaming service, in the hopes of greatly increasing their subscription service's visibility and popularity (ie, to compete with the likes of Netflix and Disney+). The hope was to recoup the 1.2 billion (obviously, and then some) in the next three to five years, solely through the subscription streaming service. This is how it was pitched to Apple brass, and this is what was approved. Of that 1.2 billion, 207 million (the '.2') was spent on "Killers of the Flower Moon". Films like "Napoleon" and "Argyle" were also part of the package.

The films were to be placed exclusively on Apple streaming service, where they'd obviously not be counting 'box office' numbers. The films were seen as a long-term, prestige investment. Only subscribers to Apple's streaming service could even see the films.

No immediate revenue return was expected. Again, NO IMMEDIATE REVENUE RETURN WAS EXPECTED by Apple. As if this hasn't already been explained dozens of times.

Then, just this past late spring, shortly before the Cannes premiere of "Killers of the Flower Moon", and largely at the behest of Martin Scorsese, Apple decided to give the film a traditional, stately wide theatrical release, to further increase the legitimate prestige of the film, and perhaps make some of the revenue back sooner, and be a stronger awards contender, and possibly increase interest in Apple's streaming service once the film went on there, which was its original destination.

The theatrical release was literally an afterthought.

They partnered up with Paramount, and Paramount distributed the film.

This does NOT mean that the original intent of making the film a tentpole of their streaming service, and making the revenue back from subscriptions over time was aborted. If anything, the theatrical release would simply mean a return on their investment sooner than was planned or expected. It's literally extra revenue.

They likely knew, or at least suspected, that in today's theatrical environment of comic book movies, movies based on toys, movies based on video games, Disney stuff, and big franchises, that a film like this would most likely not have a huge return. One always hopes, of course, that the film will suddenly, surprisingly, catch on. But they were fully aware that it would likely never be a huge hit. This, however, was irrelevant, because they were originally prepared to make NO IMMEDIATE REVENUE AT ALL.

Then, the film has grossed 152 million globally, which after marketing, and exhibitor cuts, likely netted them around a third of the film's admittedly massive budget back. (It hasn't 'lost 200 million'). It hasn't lost anything, when the intention all along was to make the money back solely through subscriptions to the streaming service in the first place. The theatrical release was merely a BONUS.

In other words, it's too soon to tell if Apple's plan failed or not. If their subscription service ultimately falters or goes under within five years. THEN, they lost the money on their investment.

Finally, box office is absolutely NO indication, whatsoever, and never has been, as to a film's quality. Especially today, where people flood out to comic book franchises in record numbers.

A very mediocre, mid-tier film may make a billion dollars at the box office, and a masterpiece may well be a complete bomb.

This film is a masterpiece. It will be studied and discussed a generation from now.

The only difference is, this time, it was backed by a company that didn't care if it 'bombed' in theaters, or not.

And, in the future, when cinephiles and film historians discuss it, it will be completely irrelevant what its 2023 box office performance was.

There are plenty of other, far more successful films that will be completely forgotten, by then.

One last time for the couple of deaf guys. Not that it means anything, as they're just trolling, anyway.... ("My movie's better than yours, because it made a lot of money! So, neeyaahhhh....").

Now, I'm completely done with this topic, now.
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Old 12-01-2023, 03:03 AM   #1456
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did i say it isn't?
No you didn't. What you said is that Killers of the Flower Moon (and Napoleon) will lose money. It might not be totally accurate, as they are under Apple's umbrella of protection.

It don't really matter, it's only money.
What counts is the glory and the Oscars. Scorsese is on the radar.
Scott? The guy has the glory already, anything else is bonus, even the negative critics.
And, both of them are coming up to Apple TV+, with Napoleon's extended 4-hour+ cut.
Everything is on the table to amass tons of profits and glory directly to the heavens, white clouds or not.

It is what it is, nothing is lost.
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Old 12-01-2023, 05:02 AM   #1457
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No you didn't. What you said is that Killers of the Flower Moon (and Napoleon) will lose money. It might not be totally accurate, as they are under Apple's umbrella of protection.

It don't really matter, it's only money.
What counts is the glory and the Oscars. Scorsese is on the radar.
Scott? The guy has the glory already, anything else is bonus, even the negative critics.
And, both of them are coming up to Apple TV+, with Napoleon's extended 4-hour+ cut.
Everything is on the table to amass tons of profits and glory directly to the heavens, white clouds or not.

It is what it is, nothing is lost.
I'd like to believe that Oscars don't much matter in Hollywood after the La La Land incident.

Maybe Apple wants to throw money at buying itself some Oscars, I doubt they'll run out of money for that because if they ever run low then they could just hook a generator to Steve Jobs' grave.


Which reminds me: 1.2 billion bucks makes at most 6 modern big budget films, if that could sustain a streaming service then Netflix wouldn't be as in danger of being put in the plot next to Blockbuster.
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Old 12-01-2023, 01:06 PM   #1458
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Which reminds me: 1.2 billion bucks makes at most 6 modern big budget films, if that could sustain a streaming service then Netflix wouldn't be as in danger of being put in the plot next to Blockbuster.
Netflix is a $207.45 billion dollar corporation. and made $4.5 billion last quarter. You are clueless!
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Old 12-01-2023, 01:12 PM   #1459
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Netflix is a $207.45 billion dollar corporation. and made $4.5 billion last quarter. You are clueless!
Your number is quite a bit different from CNBC. They did however show a hefty profit.

"Revenue in the third quarter rose to $8.54 billion from $7.93 billion a year earlier. Net income came in at $1.68 billion, or $3.73 per share, compared with $1.4 billion, or $3.10 per share."
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Old 12-01-2023, 01:16 PM   #1460
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Your number is quite a bit different from CNBC. They did however show a hefty profit.

"Revenue in the third quarter rose to $8.54 billion from $7.93 billion a year earlier. Net income came in at $1.68 billion, or $3.73 per share, compared with $1.4 billion, or $3.10 per share."
My bad - that was net profit for all of 2022. Company is in the black and has been for a while.
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