Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[splintersan]

Well said Painiac

[dawnofthediscs]

Originally Posted by painiac

your audience here isn't exactly the laypeople, your highness

this is a group of people dedicated enough to cult cinema that they not only spend vast amounts of collective income on these releases, but watch and discuss them with like minded people. catering to imagined people who will probably never watch your releases (because i imagine the "layperson" you conjure up would do their movie buying on Amazon or big box retailers) is not going to do you much good in terms of release quality

There's definitely some "lay people" on the DF FB. Anybody that says anything in regards to any release having any sort of issue, the yes men jump in and proclaim how great the release is and how everyone is an "entitled crybaby complainer" these days. All the while washing DeFalco's balls and proclaiming him god of cult cinema

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by dawnofthediscs

Wouldn't you like to appeal to hardcore cinephiles that know the difference between junk and a high quality product?

It seems to me anyone with a true passion for film and someone that owns a label would want that.

Where "good enough", just isn't.

And maybe I'm wrong, but, It seems like you're more concerned with making a quick buck from people with a passive interest in cinema than appealing to what most cult labels cater to: Hardcore Cult Film fans.

IMO this board isnt entirely "hardcore cinephiles" or "hardcore cult film fans." Many in these two groups would definitely greatly value being able to see a never before seen directors cut of a cult film, for instance, over better video quality.

This is more a blu ray disc enthusiast forum, hence the focus on compression, lossless soundtrack, slipcovers, booklets, etc. Which makes sene given the name of the site.

[painiac]

Originally Posted by dawnofthediscs

There's definitely some "lay people" on the DF FB. Anybody that says anything in regards to any release having any sort of issue, the yes men jump in and proclaim how great the release is and how everyone is an "entitled crybaby complainer" these days. All the while washing DeFalco's balls and proclaiming him god of cult cinema

i guess if facebook is going to be his main outlet of communication, he should stay there

[dawnofthediscs]

Originally Posted by Ruined

IMO this board isnt entirely "hardcore cinephiles" or "hardcore cult film fans." Many in these two groups would definitely greatly value being able to see a never before seen directors cut of a cult film, for instance, over better video quality.

This is more a blu ray disc enthusiast forum, hence the focus on compression, lossless soundtrack, slipcovers, booklets, etc. Which makes sene given the name of the site.

I guess I'm not sure what your point is

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by painiac

your audience here isn't exactly the laypeople, your highness

this is a group of people dedicated enough to cult cinema that they not only spend vast amounts of collective income on these releases, but watch and discuss them with like minded people. catering to imagined people who will probably never watch your releases (because i imagine the "layperson" you conjure up would do their movie buying on Amazon or big box retailers) is not going to do you much good in terms of release quality

Which is why there are label insiders posting frequently and monitoring these forums. I suspect there are more than just a couple who identify themselves as Insiders officially - the rest pose as regular members. The truth is there's a potentially huge customer base here and the insiders know this. People here get excited about a release and may spread the word either directly or indirectly resulting in a snowball effect. Enthusiasm spreads. I honestly believe without these boards many of the smaller indy labels would not survive.

[painiac]

Originally Posted by splintersan

Well said Painiac

there's a rare sentiment

[jebhdb]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Man you guys take everything so serious around here and then do so much smack talking in the safety of the internet but not one would ever dare talk to us that way in person. Now that's one statement we all know to be an unarguable fact.

How much you bench Bro?

[dawnofthediscs]

Originally Posted by painiac

i guess if facebook is going to be his main outlet of communication, he should stay there

I agree 100%. Had to unfollow because of nausea, but I look at it from time to time and it does seem to be his main source of communication. He has wayyy more loyalist "Yes Men" on facebook than here.

RIP VAMPYRO X

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by jebhdb

How much you bench Bro?

[Show spoiler]

[Damonstein]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Man you guys take everything so serious around here and then do so much smack talking in the safety of the internet but not one would ever dare talk to us that way in person. Now that's one statement we all know to be an unarguable fact.

So you trash talk the label with a perfect track record, then complain about others trash talking you? Grow up dude.

[Damonstein]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Here's the thing Blu Titan. both Code Red and Dark Force use one of the best and most respected technicians at the biggest and best lab in Los Angles and these guys work are not only highly respected throughout the industry but are booked solid by all the major studios non-stop. If you showed THE CARRIER restored director's cut to a lay person and told them it was garbage quality they would look at you like you had two heads. I totally agreed with Ruined opinion on the quality and I'm not saying your opinion is wrong because you are also entitled to feel the way you do. Everybody around here has there own nit picking way of interpreting what they feel is a good restoration and that can come in many different forms. But I can tell you one thing nobody schooled DF and CR and certainly not Fotokem's enormously qualified technicians.

No one actually likes the directors cut transfer except ruined, and he has some weird commitment to defending you. At some point, you have to realize that the problem lies with you, not us.

[El_Fez]

Guys, guys - I think we're all seeing Poe's Law in action here. What started out as a (probably ill advised) joke has blown way out of proportion. It was a harmless joke that everyone is taking way too seriously.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by dawnofthediscs

I guess I'm not sure what your point is

Not particularly directed at you but...

My point is that people are still going on and on about The Carrier Directors Cut picture quality, but at the end of the day it is still a very watchable directors cut of a cult film that was not previously available on disc. Its also a significantly superior cut of the film IMO (PQ aside).

As a cult film fan even if the theatrical cut (which has its own PQ issues) worked fine, I would still be watching the Directors Cut ongoing since its the better film and looks good enough even if flawed. As a cult film fan it would also be nice to have both cuts, but honestly if forced to pick between the directors cut as is and theatrical cut as is - id pick the directors cut since again its the better film and looks decent enough even if not ideal.

Now a blu ray disc enthusiast may reject the release as the theatrical cut is technically defective and also the directors cut has a digital edge to it. A cult film fan might have a different viewpoint, however, by looking past that at the superior content of the directors cut that was not previously available on disc.

[grrrarg]

Wasn't going to comment since I am worried about being threatened with violence, but what the heck.

Originally Posted by Dark Force

If you showed THE CARRIER restored director's cut to a lay person and told them it was garbage quality they would look at you like you had two heads.

Fully agree.

But not for the same reason... the average person would just be baffled it was getting a Blu-ray release at all and wouldn't even spend $5 on it.

If people who might be critical of a cult cinema classic release are critical... and they are in your target demographic... well, maybe it isn't the worst idea to pander to them? Knowing your market is a hallmark of any successful business venture.

That being said: looking forward to more releases in the future, thanks.

[bipbop13]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Man you guys take everything so serious around here and then do so much smack talking in the safety of the internet but not one would ever dare talk to us that way in person. Now that's one statement we all know to be an unarguable fact.

uhhhhh...in person any time pal. Like I said before Uwe Boll was man enough to step up, so put your boxing gloves where your mouth is. Free publicity right? Even if you do get the snot beat out of you. And you're statement was fact in your mind until 90% of the site called you out on it.

[bsend]

When does the sale go live? Midnight?

[DaveyJoe]

Originally Posted by bsend

When does the sale go live? Midnight?

What sale?

[bsend]

Originally Posted by DaveyJoe

What sale?

Memorial Day sale silly

[DaveyJoe]

Originally Posted by bsend

Memorial Day sale silly

I haven't seen anything about a Dark Force Memorial Day sale. Does anyone have a link?