Titanic 4K UHD (1997) - Page 73 - Blu-ray Forum

matbezlima · 10-22-2023, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

it's even worse for the music videos shot on videotape, not only are their framerates destroyed with de-interlacing, they also are de-noised and sharpened as f-ck a lot of the time which takes an already sh-t source and makes it even sh-ttier

Isn't de-interlacing, or at least good de-interlacing, supposed to restore the original smoothness of the video? 60i looks a more like 60p than 30p.

So, this would be proper de-interlacing:

And this isn’t:

SpacemanDoug · 10-22-2023, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by matbezlima

Isn't de-interlacing, or at least good de-interlacing, supposed to restore the original smoothness of the video? 60i looks a more like 60p than 30p.

So, this would be proper de-interlacing:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OTFN-zCSLY4

And this isn’t:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jAdIZ_xa9II

the top one yes

but most studios don't care which is why pretty much all the time they end up looking like the bottom video

however the top video also has a major problem with the other point I mentioned which is sharpening, so yes the framerate is good but the sharpening is really bad

matbezlima · 10-22-2023, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

the top one yes

but most studios don't care which is why pretty much all the time they end up looking like the bottom video

however the top video also has a major problem with the other point I mentioned which is sharpening, so yes the framerate is good but the sharpening is really bad

The bottom video is indeed not properly de-interlaced, and it is also stretched. However, the top image was definitely over-sharpened. It really makes the outlines of everything stick out more like a sore thumb. The softer image of the bottom video ends up looking more natural, nicer I would dare say.

Geoff D · 10-22-2023, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by escvnte

I have yet to see, for example, a Criterion Blu look "too compressed", regardless of how many bonus features are on the disc.
But those only have English as the only language option, nothing more, and are meticulously encoded, compared to some other studios releases.

Criterion are literally the worst label for compression and have been for years. There’s nothing “meticulous” about their slapdash encoding, it’s piss poor is what it is

Hedrox · 10-22-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

100GB is fine for a 197 minute movie provided it hasn’t been encoded by morons. That’s a difficult aks when it comes to Paramount, true, but they managed to put the 180-min Wolf of Wall Street onto a triple decker plus 40 minutes worth of HD bonus features with no visible compression issues.

They even did Ten Commandments on a single disc, and that one is 232 minutes and has more grain to manage, and it turned out fine.

Something tells me this version of Titanic won't have too much grain to worry about.

liamjaco1998 · 10-22-2023, 01:33 PM

US: “titanic is available to pre-order on 4K now!”

The rest of the world: “��”

KMFDMvsEnya · 10-22-2023, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Criterion are literally the worst label for compression and have been for years. There’s nothing “meticulous” about their slapdash encoding, it’s piss poor is what it is

Criterion's encoding practices have been shamefully sh!te since forever and their long propensity for sharpening has always been obnoxious.

escvnte · 10-22-2023, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Criterion are literally the worst label for compression and have been for years. There’s nothing “meticulous” about their slapdash encoding, it’s piss poor is what it is

I thought that Lost Highway, Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive looked great, compared to the old MK2/Concorde discs I got many years ago.
Maybe because Lynch was behind the whole process?

By any means, i'm not a "hardcore" Criterion fanboy.
But the few Criterion releases I have look great.

matbezlima · 10-22-2023, 03:05 PM

Criterion has many wonderful releases. The Red Shoes is another one that's spectacular. Wall-E too. Citizen Kane.

A common issue with Criterion's UHD encodes though is that the HDR10 layer can be neglected. Wall-E is a great example. If you have Dolby Vision, it is the definitive release of the movie. But if you only have HDR10, it's clearly worse than Disney's own UHD of the film, Criterion's disc is plagued with banding issues.

SpacemanDoug · 10-22-2023, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Criterion are literally the worst label for compression and have been for years. There’s nothing “meticulous” about their slapdash encoding, it’s piss poor is what it is

I'm surprised you didn't say Shout! Factory, though I guess it's fair to say they've somewhat improved in the past couple years

matbezlima · 10-22-2023, 03:44 PM

Studio Canal has some releases that are Paramount-level of banners regarding the encoding. But they also have releases that are spectacularly encoded, such as Mulholland Drive.

SpacemanDoug · 10-22-2023, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by matbezlima

Studio Canal has some releases that are Paramount-level of banners regarding the encoding. But they also have releases that are spectacularly encoded, such as Mulholland Drive.

They use FiM sometimes and I believe that was one of those titles

The Admiral · 10-22-2023, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by liamjaco1998

US: “titanic is available to pre-order on 4K now!”

The rest of the world: “��”

It is listed on Amazon France as being scheduled for release by 20th Century on January 24 2024.

Geoff D · 10-22-2023, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

I'm surprised you didn't say Shout! Factory, though I guess it's fair to say they've somewhat improved in the past couple years

They’ve never been outright horrible for compression, I’ll give them their due, but it’s the source masters that they keep having trouble with. Some of their Blus were in the wrong video levels, some had bad aliasing problems, and then there was those Carpenter UHDs in the wrong colour space. So, decent encoding but bleh QC.

liamjaco1998 · 10-22-2023, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Admiral

It is listed on Amazon France as being scheduled for release by 20th Century on January 24 2024.

France is not the rest of the world.

Member-222782 · 10-22-2023, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by liamjaco1998

France is not the rest of the world.

At least they gave us Napoleon

SpacemanDoug · 10-22-2023, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

They’ve never been outright horrible for compression, I’ll give them their due, but it’s the source masters that they keep having trouble with. Some of their Blus were in the wrong video levels, some had bad aliasing problems, and then there was those Carpenter UHDs in the wrong colour space. So, decent encoding but bleh QC.

some of their early BDs were downright horrible with their encodes (ex. the Psycho sequels), but surprisingly not as bad as Criterion

even for Shout's 4K encodes, at least they don't go the lazy route and apply DNR to make it easier to encode unlike Criterion

The Admiral · 10-22-2023, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by liamjaco1998

France is not the rest of the world.

Ok

J-Mart · 10-22-2023, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by liamjaco1998

France is not the rest of the world.

What a douchey response

liamjaco1998 · 10-22-2023, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mart

What a douchey response

Didn’t meant it to sound the way it did.

10-22-2023, 01:33 PM	#1446
liamjaco1998 Active Member Member since:Feb 2019 4K collection:29 Blu-ray collection:133 DVD collection:4	US: “titanic is available to pre-order on 4K now!” The rest of the world: “��”

10-22-2023, 03:05 PM	#1449
matbezlima Banned Member since:Jul 2021	Criterion has many wonderful releases. The Red Shoes is another one that's spectacular. Wall-E too. Citizen Kane. A common issue with Criterion's UHD encodes though is that the HDR10 layer can be neglected. Wall-E is a great example. If you have Dolby Vision, it is the definitive release of the movie. But if you only have HDR10, it's clearly worse than Disney's own UHD of the film, Criterion's disc is plagued with banding issues.

10-22-2023, 03:44 PM	#1451
matbezlima Banned Member since:Jul 2021	Studio Canal has some releases that are Paramount-level of banners regarding the encoding. But they also have releases that are spectacularly encoded, such as Mulholland Drive.

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