Blu-ray Fantasy Franchise [[MADDEN 2011]]

[HollyPopDid]

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

wait, you can't control LBs in coverage now? Can I appeal this rule considering I don't see how people can cheese using LBs in coverage? In my view, controlling LBs manually is crucial considering how many people run multiple receiver sets with speed receivers/TEs dragging underneath. Helps a lot against overpowered TE post/crossing routes (you see how TEs dominate the receptions category for many teams... and it's not even close). Anyway, please reconsider.

Playing only as rushing D-linemen and safeties is a bit limiting and/or extremely risky for most people.

I never understood the rule Pill had set, especially since I only control my D-Linemen, but if I mis-interpreted it then I'll change it. I don't see a problem with using your Linebackers either, I was just re-wording what I saw. I'll go ahead and change it now. When I said I manipulated it, I mean't being able to move Defensive players pre-snap to align with man coverage.

Question though; would being able to control Corners be a bit too extreme? Like I said I only use my D-Linemen so I have no idea about this one. When someone answers I'll remake the rule.

[jtconnolly]

Originally Posted by HollyPopDid

I never understood the rule Pill had set, especially since I only control my D-Linemen, but if I mis-interpreted it then I'll change it. I don't see a problem with using your Linebackers either, I was just re-wording what I saw. I'll go ahead and change it now. When I said I manipulated it, I mean't being able to move Defensive players pre-snap to align with man coverage.

Question though; would being able to control Corners be a bit too extreme? Like I said I only use my D-Linemen so I have no idea about this one. When someone answers I'll remake the rule.

Nah, I would say controlling CB's should be allowed. Sometimes like u said, CBs are out of position so it might require some players to use the CB, especially in zone situations. For example in a Deep Zone, CB's might drop all the way back, so the user may want to control the CB b/c he is playing like like a safety.

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by HollyPopDid

I never understood the rule Pill had set, especially since I only control my D-Linemen, but if I mis-interpreted it then I'll change it. I don't see a problem with using your Linebackers either, I was just re-wording what I saw. I'll go ahead and change it now. When I said I manipulated it, I mean't being able to move Defensive players pre-snap to align with man coverage.

Question though; would being able to control Corners be a bit too extreme? Like I said I only use my D-Linemen so I have no idea about this one. When someone answers I'll remake the rule.

Thanks Holly. I think a majority of people in this league control LBs in coverage so it's a wise choice.

With regards to corners, I personally see no problem with controlling them in coverage (especially say in dime situations where you only have one LB anyway). They are pretty hard to control actually since they are so fast and that leads to as many blown plays as it does deflections/tackles/INTs. The only semi-cheese I see from CB play is on CB blitzes. You can get a really fast one, line him up outside the tackle and beat him around the corner for very fast pressure. But, that breaks your manual pre-snap movement rule so this point is negated. I vote YES on CB control as well!

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by jtconnolly

Nah, I would say controlling CB's should be allowed. Sometimes like u said, CBs are out of position so it might require some players to use the CB, especially in zone situations. For example in a Deep Zone, CB's might drop all the way back, so the user may want to control the CB b/c he is playing like like a safety.

or also, you figure out that your opponent doesn't ever throw to a certain person out of a certain play/formation, so you take a CB covering that zone and use him as a second defender on his read options.

[l.turner3]

Played Slick

Was called for unsportsmanship, i do apologize i didnt mean to be unsportsmanlike.

Just wanted to apologize to slick on the forum.

I just dont trust madden anymore.

Fumble must go up 50 points when u have a lead

Theirs about 6 minutes left in the 3rd up by 21, and im driving been running and he sends an all out blitz, and i see it and audible to a quick throw. It was 2nd down. I apologize slick i just know how madden likes to prey on me and comeback's. The throw was Incomplete as well.

The next 2 Posessions i somehow fumble, TWICE.

Sigh, the comeback feature at its best.

I was able to keep running the ball to run out clock tho.

Again I apologize u know i try my best to be sportsmanlike, madden just had gotten ridic with fumble and comebacks.
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On a side note, i was able to return a kickoff, should that be banned from sim or does everyone want to keep it.

[HollyPopDid]

Why would you ban it?

[BlackMamba]

I don't know why you all have problems with fumbles when ahead. I'm ahead in most games I play and rarely fumble (I am a stalwart user of R1... but some people claim to fumble while holding R1)... now incomplete passes are another thing!

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by HollyPopDid

Why would you ban it?

It'd probably be silly to ban kickoffs, but technically lturner has a point. You can cheese the system with a fast returner by faking one direction, cutting hard and breaking for the sideline. If you're slow on switching to your contain men or he gets a good break on blocking, he'll take it to the house. I'm sure we've all fell victim to this at one point in time. Works especially well with PRs. In my solo offline franchise, where I do a little cheesing, I have about 18 PRs for TDs and 7 KRs for TDs. I DO NOT do this at all in any of my online franchises because I think it's cheap and takes advantage of the retarded A.I.

If I'm ahead, I rarely even bother to kick it normally to a fast returner (I squib) especially if I know that you use that tactic.

[HollyPopDid]

Eh, it's easy to block a kick return like that. I've probably had only one-two person return a TD on me, lol.

Athletes do it in the NFL and if we fall for it on a game then it's our fault.

[slick1ru2]

The kickoff in question was an exploit, the one where you suddenly cut to the outside while the entire team covering the kickoff is clumped in the middle. Since the game has been notoriously bad flats coverage for years, its a common exploit for those that have a fast enough return man and have gotten down when to suddenly cut to the outside. Its posted in forums all over. One shows that kick return for TD rates over 50% by using the cut outside technique. To start the game off that way just put me in a sour mood for the rest of the game. Anyone with Google can find lots of posts about it. If it was realistic they would be showing kick off returns for TDs all day long on Red Zone since the success rate should be over 50% like in Madden 11.

The result is giving field position with squib kicks for the entire game. I forgot once to choose squib and had to burn a T.O. too.

Here is one guy on Gamers Lab that had it happen to him.


http://www.thegamerslab.com/communit...ff-glitch.html
Is there some kind of weird Kick off Glitch?
Havent played Madden since the first 2 weeks it came out.. Got back on yesterday downloaded the updates ive missed and ive given up 7 Kickoff Returns since I started playing yesterday like WTF?

Just played with the Bengals and Gave up 3 Straight Kick off returns against the Raiders..

Everytime I kicked off, my defenders would get sucked into the middle and he would simply bounce it outside.. So frustrating..

Dude scored 42 points on me this game with 0 Offensive Touchdowns.... 3 Special Teams TD 3 Interception returns..

He had a 3 touchdown lead on me by half and I still came back to win lol..

He had no O at all... Had a total of 19 Yards in offense... I put up over 700 on his ass..

It was the greatest Come Back Ever..


But whats with this easy ass Kick off returns?

all the replays discuss how its an issue

...yeah, be careful with the kickoffs cause a lot of players manipulate that middle to outside thing...I'd rather squib and give up field position and force him to score on my D compared to giving up an easy KO return for a TD.

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by HollyPopDid

Eh, it's easy to block a kick return like that. I've probably had only one-two person return a TD on me, lol.

Athletes do it in the NFL and if we fall for it on a game then it's our fault.

debatable. I don't know, athletes don't do exactly that in the NFL (if you move laterally like that, you're almost guaranteed a short return, not an explosive gain which is what happens a lot). Basically, the cheese logic is that you're taking advantage of the CPU's straight line pursuit angles. I think I'm decent at covering kicks, but it happens (usually at the most inopportune time). I won't make a big stink about it, but I will argue that it is NOT what NFL players do.

Also Holly, I haven't actually had a kick returned on me in online franchise (that I can remember... maybe someone can refresh my memory), but online against "good" (i.e. cheesier) people, it happens once in a while.

[l.turner3]

LOL im really good at it, but ive gone aginst it so much im able to stop it now as well.

I just brought it up cause slick seemed pretty upset about it. Wondering if others felt the same way.

[HollyPopDid]

DeSean does it pretty much 80% of the time; look up his return against the Giants. I just returned one on JT with MJD. Only TD in my loss. Horrible Offense I had and the lag killed me. Missed my PAT too.

[slick1ru2]

When you play a lobby game and the guy wins the toss and wants the ball, its a good sign he's got the kickoff return TD glitch down pat. The reason it works so well this year also has to do with the new locomotion system. Your kick off team is full of 3rd stringers with below average speed and acceleration. The Bucs went over 25 years before having their first kickoff returned for a TD. Its not that common at all. This year there was a kick return for a TD in each of the first 5 weeks of the NFL regular season. The last time there was a streak that long was 1950.

[JC_20010]

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[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by HollyPopDid

DeSean does it pretty much 80% of the time; look up his return against the Giants. I just returned one on JT with MJD. Only TD in my loss. Horrible Offense I had and the lag killed me. Missed my PAT too.

Desean Jackson has never returned a kickoff for a TD. He has returned 3 punts in three seasons for TDs. That's 3 TDs in 89 punt returns. One of those punt returns was against the Giants.

http://stats.tbd.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8826&team=21

[HollyPopDid]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Desean Jackson has never returned a kickoff for a TD. He has returned 3 punts in three seasons for TDs. That's 3 TDs in 89 punt returns. One of those punt returns was against the Giants.

http://stats.tbd.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8826&team=21

I'm pretty sure its obvious that's what I meant, and seeing as were discussing both punts and kickoff returns, I thought it would be easy to comprehend. But thanks for trying to make me look like I don't know what I'm talking about.

[DonRSD]

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

I don't know why you all have problems with fumbles when ahead. I'm ahead in most games I play and rarely fumble (I am a stalwart user of R1... but some people claim to fumble while holding R1)... now incomplete passes are another thing!

just because you hold on to the ball with 2 hands (R1) doesnt mean youll never fumble

my L1 fumble skills are better than your R1 hold onto the ball skills

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by DonRSD

just because you hold on to the ball with 2 hands (R1) doesnt mean youll never fumble

my L1 fumble skills are better than your R1 hold onto the ball skills

don't even know what L1 does, lol (is it pitch?)!

[BlackMamba]

with regards to kickoffs/punts, I will give the player the benefit of the doubt the first time around... if they show me they're blatantly going for the exploit, I will never kick straight to them again. I'll either squib, kick it short, out of bounds, or go for it (and people wonder why no one punts anymore...).

I'm not totally blameless though. I've used the exploit against people before, but it's moreso if they cheese first (I subscribe to the theory that until you cheese, I will keep the game clean on my end... also, if you showboat on a TD by diving into the endzone, I will keep my cool until the end of the game, when [if I'm winning] I will put on a huge showboating spectacle)