Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by slimdude

John Carpenter have got more important things to do than to worry about a mono soundtrack for a movie that he made 40 years ago. That's water over the bridge! Like I've said before, if you want the 4K blu-ray, then don't buy it..It's just that simple because, complaining about it, is not going to change anything one bit, and it's not worth going off the deep end about it.. Either you buy it, or you don't!

It doesn't do much to complain about it here aside from raise awareness to those who were going to buy it and might change their mind.

It is worth complaining to Lionsgate and not buying it, though, that way if they don't get the sales they expected they have a reason other than "its an old movie on 4k uhd = bad sales".

If this were a normal Blu-ray/DVD release the lack of original mono wouldnt matter in overall sales, but being 4k uhd is ultra niche I could see a lot of the people interested in the format passing on the release since they are film enthusiasts and hence impacting sales. Getting per Bill Hunt what sounds like a nuanced increase in PQ for many film enthusiasts is not going to be worth trading off the original mono soundtrack.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Ruined

It doesn't do much to complain about it here aside from raise awareness to those who were going to buy it and might change their mind.

It is worth complaining to Lionsgate and not buying it, though, that way if they don't get the sales they expected they have a reason other than "its an old movie on 4k uhd = bad sales".

If this were a normal Blu-ray/DVD release the lack of original mono wouldnt matter in overall sales, but being 4k uhd is ultra niche I could see a lot of the people interested in the format passing on the release since they are film enthusiasts and hence impacting sales. Getting per Bill Hunt what sounds like a nuanced increase in PQ for many film enthusiasts is not going to be worth trading off the original mono soundtrack.

We don't trade one life for another Captain.

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

I would not call them a source, more a re-blogger

very true my mistake

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by xbs2034

I'm not a huge fan of the film nor own the UHD, but I thought the sound mix for Grease is a 5.1 based on the original 6 track mix for 70mm showings.

On the current 40th Anniversary release yes, on every video release between 1998 til now no. Those had a remix done for the 20th Anniversary reissue that remixed the music and added a bunch of unnecessary Foley. The new release has as close to the 1978 mix we have gotten in 20 years.

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by Fat Phil

She's good. Have her write a strongly worded letter to Lionsgate on official stationary.

[Show spoiler]

Cat gifs, I can't get enough of them.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

Cat gifs, I can't get enough of them.

[JPLeon]

I think is worth trying to let Lionsgate know that we want the original mono included from the collection box set. And maybe the new commentary by Nick Castle, Tommy Lee Wallace, and Dean Cundey from the box set would be nice. Is not like they need to make a 100% new restoration process. Just that after the first few pressings of the disc sold out. They could update the 4k disc and just replace the downmix with the true original mono one. Same packaging, disc art, and everything. They could just update the specifications text to include the commentary IF they condsidered it. And maybe a slightly different UPC code to identify it as the new updated release. Non-hardcore fans and the rest of the public can get the first few batches of the 4k release. We could wait (if Lionsgate considers updating) for the new one. Lionsgate can update it when Halloween 2018 hits its way on blu-ray!!!!!!.However as stated before, they might not want to. But its worth to try and let them know.

[AlexIlDottore]

I think the cheapest things to do would be to do replacement discs on the sly. Eg. only send them out to people who contact them. A lot of labels do this.

Then when the first pressing is finished...

[Torgon]

Carpenter and Cundey’s involvement in the release of the 4K release:

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by Torgon

Carpenter and Cundey’s involvement in the release of the 4K release:

[Show spoiler]

Yeah 'cause the Arrow 4K scan of The Thing is garbage. Scream Factory must share this point of view too.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

Yeah 'cause the Arrow 4K scan of The Thing is garbage.

That's more to do with Arrow than anyone else

[JPLeon]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

I think the cheapest things to do would be to do replacement discs on the sly. Eg. only send them out to people who contact them. A lot of labels do this.

Then when the first pressing is finished...

You know what I'm talking abo....well writing about. Good idea.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Cook

The packaging says English Mono - Dolby Digital. That means it's an english track that produces sound for a single audio channel. That is all. The audio track on this release produces audio for a single audio channel therefore it is an English Mono Dolby Digital audio track. Not false advertising.

If the packaging said, "Original 1978 English Mono Track - Not Mixdown" then it would be false advertising.

You're splitting hairs. Nobody in their right mind would want a mono track for no reason, if it's just a mix-down. The mono track is included because it's supposed to be the original audio as it was originally presented with the original sound effects and music cues. Obviously that was the intention of the mono track being included, and it's obvious they just screwed up as usual.

I'm not sure why so many are having a hard time understanding why we want the original audio. My girlfriend is not a techno-geek but totally understands the value in having the original mono/stereo tracks of older films.

Would I watch it with the mono track every time? Maybe, maybe not. I may prefer the expanded scope and immersion of the surround. But the point is all films should include the original audio track. Maybe I watch it with the surround every year and I want to mix it up now and then by throwing the original track on for comparison.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

Figured I'd post this, because Carpenter is definitely through with Halloween, as Slimdude said:

[Editor’s Note: We’ve confirmed with Lionsgate that both director John Carpenter and cinematographer Dean Cundy approved this new 4K transfer and HDR grade.]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/item/h...6w1Qcg.twitter

They approved the new grade (which might mean they just watched a few random snippets and gave their seal of approval). It doesn't mean they were aware Lionsgate screwed up the original audio track.

[bbwiscfan]

Originally Posted by Colson

For anyone looking for the Complete Collection box set, it is back in stock at Best Buy's website for $39.99. Just ordered one.

I'm planning to mux the theatrical audio with the 4K video.

I just placed the order for this (with a $5 RZ cert on top of that) so I just could not pass this up. Interesting, because I tried ordering it at first on my tablet and it told me it was out of stock, so I went on my laptop and it worked perfectly so I suspect this will be out of stock soon (I checked Amazon and its $149.99!).

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by mar3o

They approved the new grade (which might mean they just watched a few random snippets and gave their seal of approval). It doesn't mean they were aware Lionsgate screwed up the original audio track.

I know. I know because it mentions nothing about audio. But thanks.

[Colson]

Originally Posted by bbwiscfan

I just placed the order for this (with a $5 RZ cert on top of that) so I just could not pass this up. Interesting, because I tried ordering it at first on my tablet and it told me it was out of stock, so I went on my laptop and it worked perfectly so I suspect this will be out of stock soon (I checked Amazon and its $149.99!).

It was out of stock yesterday, so I was surprised to see it back in stock today!

[RedHarvest]

My copy has shipped from Diabolik. Anyone seen it yet?

[RedZeppelin]

Originally Posted by mar3o

You're splitting hairs. Nobody in their right mind would want a mono track for no reason, if it's just a mix-down. The mono track is included because it's supposed to be the original audio as it was originally presented with the original sound effects and music cues.

At this point I think people either just like to argue or are being willfully obtuse. The sound issue has nothing to do with the number of channels -- it has to do with the original sound being altered or new sounds being introduced.

I just want the original sounds, regardless of which speaker(s) they come from. The frustrating thing is, including the original mono mix along with the 7.1 remix wouldn't have upset anyone. Everyone would get what they want.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by RedZeppelin

At this point I think people either just like to argue or are being willfully obtuse. The sound issue has nothing to do with the number of channels -- it has to do with the original sound being altered or new sounds being introduced.

I just want the original sounds, regardless of which speaker(s) they come from. The frustrating thing is, including the original mono mix along with the 7.1 remix wouldn't have upset anyone. Everyone would get what they want.

Not to mention, while I’m sure having the downmix was a mistake and not intentional, having a mono that’s a downmix of the surround mix is rather pointless. You can’t just say ‘Oh well. It’s A Mono track so it’s good enough’. No it’s not. Having a downmix of the surround is makes no sense. The original TRUE mono at least has a purpose.