Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How convenient.

You don't have to believe me. But just remember, next time you go on and on about TV's and movies as we know it disappearing in 10 years....I might not believe you

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

You don't have to believe me. But just remember, next time you go on and on about TV's and movies as we know it disappearing in 10 years....I might not believe you

So, does that mean that your believing something that someone else posts is predicated upon them believing what you post? Even when entirely different topics are involved, such as you describe? Curious basis for a belief system, if so.

[avs commenter]

Vilya, you disappoint me. You’re usually about the only one in this thread with a decent sense of humor

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Vilya, you disappoint me. You’re usually about the only one in this thread with a decent sense of humor

That was humour?

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That was humour?

Yes. Any post that makes it seem they believe in your crazy doomsday scenarios are a joke. Do you not read the comments following your crazy predictions?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Yes. Any post that makes it seem they believe in your crazy doomsday scenarios are a joke. Do you not read the comments following your crazy predictions?

That’s not humour, it’s sarcasm.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Vilya, you disappoint me. You’re usually about the only one in this thread with a decent sense of humor

Well, that's bound to happen. No guarantees and no refunds, kinda like something digital that comes to mind...

The post that appears to have triggered your disappointment was itself meant to be somewhat humorous. Oh well, can't win everytime.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That’s not humour, it’s sarcasm.

Sarcasm can be damn funny, though.

You have to expect it when you insist on making one extremely bizarre doomsday prediction after another. And then repeat them over and over. Did you think that if you posted this stuff often enough that you would induce a widespread and pointless ?

Pointless because these dire warnings of yours are both nonsensical to begin with and you never tell us what we should be doing about any of it, either. You just want everyone to worry until they get an ulcer, I guess.

Speaking of repeating ourselves, I will ask you again: Is there nothing positive about the future that you wish to predict? All of your predictions to date are dark, dire, and disastrous.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Sarcasm can be damn funny, though.

You have to expect it when you insist on making one extremely bizarre doomsday prediction after another. And then repeat them over and over. Did you think that if you posted this stuff often enough that you would induce a widespread and pointless ?

Pointless because these dire warnings of yours are both nonsensical to begin with and you never tell us what we should be doing about any of it, either. You just want everyone to worry until they get an ulcer, I guess.

Speaking of repeating ourselves, I will ask you again: Is there nothing positive about the future that you wish to predict? All of your predictions to date are dark, dire, and disastrous.

Positive about the future? A lady friend of mine has agreed to dress as a maid for me next weekend? How is that?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Positive about the future? A lady friend of mine has agreed to dress as a maid for me next weekend? How is that?

The both of you? We already know that you like dressing up as one. I guess that means you were both maid for each other.

I can't help it; I slay me sometimes, whatever the effect on anyone else may be.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The both of you? We already know that you like dressing up as one. I guess that means you were both maid for each other.

I can't help it; I slay me sometimes, whatever the effect on anyone else may be.

Don’t knock it, if you haven’t tried it!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It is about a principle. The principle being that the consumer has no control over their digital content.

It's not their content.

Originally Posted by Vilya

The content on my discs will never be sanitized to satisfy hyper sensitive snowflakes nor will it be arbitrarily deleted.

Is that really what's happening though? Were there hordes of delicate snowflakes demanding that Fox stop distributing Stark Raving Dad or did the people who own that content decide that they didn't want to continue distributing the content that they owned because they no longer wanted wanted their names associated with it?

Originally Posted by Vilya

My discs preserve the content on them, which is another important principle.

Is that really a principle or is that more of a preference?

For all the 'don't thread on me' talk about freedom and preservation are there really important principles at stake if consumers lose access to the version of T2 with their preferred color timing?

Sure, we talk about things like DNR and aspect ratio and color timing as if crucial matters of artistic freedom and preservation are at stake but is that really what motivates us?

Or do we just want what we want the way we want it when we want it?

Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of wanting what I want the way I want it when I want it.

But I try not kid myself about whether my desires are matters of principle cause, well, they're usually not.

Some are very much not.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by octagon

It's not their content.



Is that really what's happening though? Were there hordes of delicate snowflakes demanding that Fox stop distributing Stark Raving Dad or did the people who own that content decide that they didn't want to continue distributing the content that they owned because they no longer wanted wanted their names associated with it?



Is that really a principle or is that more of a preference?

For all the 'don't thread on me' talk about freedom and preservation are there really important principles at stake if consumers lose access to the version of T2 with their preferred color timing?

Sure, we talk about things like DNR and aspect ratio and color timing as if crucial matters of artistic freedom and preservation are at stake but is that really what motivates us?

Or do we just want what we want the way we want it when we want it?

Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of wanting what I want the way I want it when I want it.

But I try not kid myself about whether my desires are matters of principle cause, well, they're usually not.

Some are very much not.

Thou hast unleashed my wall of text! More words! More paragraphs! More links! Even more emojis! You may bang thy head upon my wall here

You know perfectly well that we both know that the content itself is licensed. The digital license can be pulled or changed at any time by the licensor. The licensee has no recourse in these instances. My discs can not be taken away from me if the studios no longer want me to have them or because they want to change what is on them.

By purchasing discs the content on them at the time of purchase is the content that will be on them later. The disc preserves that edition, that version, that edit, that framing, that color timing, that soundtrack, and even that slate of extras.

So, when Disney wants to edit Dumbo, or turn Sword In the Stone into a water colors in the rain mess, or when Terminator 2 becomes the Madame Tussaud wax museum edition, my earlier editions are unaffected.

James L.Brooks, executive producer of The Simpsons said that "Stark Raving Dad" was removed after he watched the recent so-called documentary about Michael Jackson.

"The Simpsons: executive producers James L. Brooks, Matt Groening, and Al Jean. Brooks told The Wall Street Journal that eliminating the episode from DVD box sets, streaming, and syndication was “the only choice to make,” out of respect for Jackson’s alleged victims."

"Brooks told The Wall Street Journal that removing the episode was the only real way to show compassion for the victims in Leaving Neverland."

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2019/3/8/...ark-raving-dad

While they can certainly remove this episode legally from broadcast, streaming, digital, and future physical releases, they can not touch my DVD set containing it. Everyone who owns this episode on disc is helping to preserve it.

Film preservation is more than a "preference" to a film enthusiast; it is indeed a principle. I not only want to be able to see the content as it was originally intended, I want other people to be able to do so as well. Film and TV shows are a part of our cultural heritage; they should be preserved for every generation. It is precisely why films deemed culturally, historically, or aesthetically important are added to the National Film Registry and preserved by the U.S. Library of Congress.

"The NFPB's mission, to which the NFR contributes, is to ensure the survival, conservation, and increased public availability of America's film heritage."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry

List of all movies on the National Film Registry by the year that they were added (the wiki link above has them listed alphabetically by title):

https://www.loc.gov/programs/nationa...istry-listing/

There were numerous attempts over many years to ban D.W. Griffith's The Birth Of A Nation (1917); thankfully, they all failed. What a loss to film history that would have been had it happened! Today, each of us with a physical edition of a film is helping to preserve that film whether or not we each realize it. I, and many others, do realize it. It is why I point out that those who still want to see Song Of The South can do so. I have mine and others can have theirs- and completely legally, too.

Purchasing discs provides me the content that I desire in an immutable form. The content can not be retroactively changed nor can it be outright removed. Insisting on permanence and control over what I purchase is also more than just a preference; it is most definitely a principle.

My license for the content that I purchase on disc remains valid so long as I do not reproduce and redistribute that content and that I also do not hold public exhibitions. Contrast that with any digital purchase provider EULA and their page after page of restrictions and limitations.

I would never allow a book publisher or a music studio to enter my home to edit, or to remove, my books or my compact discs and likewise no film studio is going to do so to any of my video discs, either. I do not own the content itself, but I certainly own the book, the cd, and the video disc that it is contained on. Exactly what I purchase stays exactly mine; this a must for me, my purchasing principle, not some mere desire.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Positive about the future? A lady friend of mine has agreed to dress as a maid for me next weekend? How is that?

Pics or didn't happen.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Pics or didn't happen.

Are you sure that you want to see them?

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Are you sure that you want to see them?

Only if she's fit.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Only if she's fit.

Unless Steedeel is in that picture, too, though, it is not verification, is it?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Unless Steedeel is in that picture, too, though, it is not verification, is it?

Grinning to camera?

[Steedeel]

By the way Vilya, have you watched the rest of Twin Peaks yet?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

By the way Vilya, have you watched the rest of Twin Peaks yet?

Nope. Still need to resume with FWWM.

Easily distracted due to too much free time, too many hobbies, too many toys, and too much role playing; they spread me out thin.