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Falaskan · 07-13-2015, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

The new Star Wars film will not be bad/fail

I am sure it will be awesome & take it in a new direction that will lead the path for more.

That is my opinion on it

I think it will be well done, that's for sure. I have two concerns tho. That they may try too hard in honoring the OT nostalgia, thereby cheapening the new story. Also I don't like some of the rumors I've read.

crazyBLUE · 07-13-2015, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Falaskan

I think it will be well done, that's for sure. I have two concerns tho. That they may try too hard in honoring the OT nostalgia, thereby cheapening the new story. Also I don't like some of the rumors I've read.

Don't believe everything you have read until you see it

That is what I do!

JamesKurtovich · 07-13-2015, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Since a huge story point depends on the troopers not being clones of each other...NO.

This is the first time I've heard of them being clones as justification for CG troopers.

What will you guys come up with next.

That video put out at the con was fantastic. This is definitely the Star Wars movie we've been waiting for.

aiman04 · 07-13-2015, 02:04 AM

Who else think Starkiller is not just a base, but a new Death Star type super weapon.

kamphausd1 · 07-13-2015, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

The new Star Wars film will not be bad/fail

I am sure it will be awesome & take it in a new direction that will lead the path for more.

That is my opinion on it

Pretty much everything SW related that's been put out by Disney/Lucasfilm over the past year has been top notch and has made me a fan all over again.

So if the new film is being overseen by the same group of people who've been making sure all the other new material is the best it can be, then I'm also confident the new movies will be awesome and kick all kinds of ass!

PeterTHX · 07-13-2015, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bloody hell, how much does Daisy look like Keira Knightley when she grins? Spooky.

All you Brits look alike.

AaronJ · 07-13-2015, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

All you Brits look alike.

She definitely sounds like her. Her accent and voice are very similar to Keira's. I wonder if they are from the same part of London?

And yeah, she does look like her at least a bit when she smiles. I can see that.

Thomas Guycott · 07-13-2015, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aiman04

Who else think Starkiller is not just a base, but a new Death Star type super weapon.

Like the Sun Crusher?

*ducks and runs*

Geoff D · 07-13-2015, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

All you Brits look alike.

Only the posh ones

EvaDK · 07-13-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bloody hell, how much does Daisy look like Keira Knightley when she grins? Spooky.

Yes, same body type as well, just more buffed up for this film.

It's like how if you took Kathleen Kennedy and stretched her a bit to make her taller, she looks like Kathryn Bigelow.

octagon · 07-13-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aiman04

Who else think Starkiller is not just a base, but a new Death Star type super weapon.

I don't know what it is but I like the nod to Luke's first draft last name.

duggie walker · 07-13-2015, 12:01 PM

I saw STAR WARS on release and was mad for it until somewhere between EMPIRE and RETURN when my hormones suddenly told me there were matters more urgently requiring my focus. I've had only a mild interest since, which is why I could never really work up any great outrage about the pointless prequels.

But I have to say... I'm starting to look forward to this. The footage so far really does seem to capture that indefinable something that the first films had. It may just be the rather masterful marketing (compare it to the FF campaign!) but this all feels really good so far.

Det. Bullock · 07-13-2015, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Since a huge story point depends on the troopers not being clones of each other...NO.

You can do twins and triplets on screen without having to build them from the ground up in CGI, replicating and army or a single person is an old trick made seamless using CGI, there was no need for animating them from the ground up for every single scene.

I'm not against the use of CGI doubles but using CGI for things that could have been done better without it's plain silly.

Geoff D · 07-13-2015, 04:13 PM

You know what the crazy thing is for me re: the Clone Troopers? When they're in full uniform head-to-toe I think they look great, even in Clones, but as soon as they start pasting Tem Morrison's head onto an all-CG body (which may not have even been mocapped) it falls apart, some of those shots in Sith are scandalously lame.

Having watched Man of Steel again yesterday I reiterate my point about the prequels probably looking better if they were made today, as the all-CG Kryptonian armour & capes look really good with the real heads pasted on, not perfect but plenty good enough to pass muster.

chip75 · 07-13-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know what the crazy thing is for me re: the Clone Troopers? When they're in full uniform head-to-toe I think they look great, even in Clones, but as soon as they start pasting Tem Morrison's head onto an all-CG body (which may not have even been mocapped) it falls apart, some of those shots in Sith are scandalously lame.

I can't remember if it's true or not, but wasn't there some idea that the clones were all CGI because George was making some kind of statement? Some arty-farty stuff about artificiality and the like. It seemed odd not to have at least a few real ones. They didn't even make reference suits as far as I know.

MechaGodzilla · 07-13-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know what the crazy thing is for me re: the Clone Troopers? When they're in full uniform head-to-toe I think they look great, even in Clones, but as soon as they start pasting Tem Morrison's head onto an all-CG body (which may not have even been mocapped) it falls apart, some of those shots in Sith are scandalously lame.

I don't think that's crazy at all, once you put an actual actor's head on a CGI body there's suddenly a pretty jarring contrast there so I can understand feeling that way.

Personally I'm alright with the CG Clone Troopers, they get the job done well enough but I would definitely have preferred they be done the old school way, and I'm happy they've gone back to that for the new movies.

klauswhereareyou · 07-13-2015, 05:01 PM

CG clone troopers in AOTC and ROTS looked like a cartoon..and obviously so.

Darth Helmet · 07-13-2015, 05:28 PM

I applaud Abrams for going back to using practical effects and actual costumes instead of what Lucas did in the prequels where it was 95% CGI.

klauswhereareyou · 07-13-2015, 05:45 PM

As long as everything is integrated correctly and certain elements don't stick out, I don't care what the percentage is of practical/c.g.i. effects.

mrr1 · 07-13-2015, 05:49 PM

Filming a guy in a helmet will always look like a guy wearing a helmet. Drawing a CG helmet over someone's face will usually look unreal somehow. I think George Lucas just hates working with actors and for the prequels he preferred to just copy and paste troopers into his shots.

That said, the special effects aren't the biggest concern with the prequels.

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Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	You know what the crazy thing is for me re: the Clone Troopers? When they're in full uniform head-to-toe I think they look great, even in Clones, but as soon as they start pasting Tem Morrison's head onto an all-CG body (which may not have even been mocapped) it falls apart, some of those shots in Sith are scandalously lame. Having watched Man of Steel again yesterday I reiterate my point about the prequels probably looking better if they were made today, as the all-CG Kryptonian armour & capes look really good with the real heads pasted on, not perfect but plenty good enough to pass muster. Last edited by Geoff D; 07-13-2015 at 04:44 PM.

07-13-2015, 02:04 AM	#15004
aiman04 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Malaysia Home Theater Gallery:9	Who else think Starkiller is not just a base, but a new Death Star type super weapon.

07-13-2015, 12:01 PM	#15012
duggie walker Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2011 Location:London, UK	I saw STAR WARS on release and was mad for it until somewhere between EMPIRE and RETURN when my hormones suddenly told me there were matters more urgently requiring my focus. I've had only a mild interest since, which is why I could never really work up any great outrage about the pointless prequels. But I have to say... I'm starting to look forward to this. The footage so far really does seem to capture that indefinable something that the first films had. It may just be the rather masterful marketing (compare it to the FF campaign!) but this all feels really good so far.

07-13-2015, 05:01 PM	#15017
klauswhereareyou Blu-ray Knight Member since:Mar 2012 4K collection:232 Blu-ray collection:2199 Digital collection:22 Prime collection:1	CG clone troopers in AOTC and ROTS looked like a cartoon..and obviously so.

07-13-2015, 05:28 PM	#15018
Darth Helmet Senior Member Member since:Jul 2014 4K collection:30 Blu-ray collection:174 Trading Score:9	I applaud Abrams for going back to using practical effects and actual costumes instead of what Lucas did in the prequels where it was 95% CGI.

07-13-2015, 05:45 PM	#15019
klauswhereareyou Blu-ray Knight Member since:Mar 2012 4K collection:232 Blu-ray collection:2199 Digital collection:22 Prime collection:1	As long as everything is integrated correctly and certain elements don't stick out, I don't care what the percentage is of practical/c.g.i. effects.

07-13-2015, 05:49 PM	#15020
mrr1 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2011 Location:Canada #1! Blu-ray collection:148 Blu-ray reviews:1	Filming a guy in a helmet will always look like a guy wearing a helmet. Drawing a CG helmet over someone's face will usually look unreal somehow. I think George Lucas just hates working with actors and for the prequels he preferred to just copy and paste troopers into his shots. That said, the special effects aren't the biggest concern with the prequels.

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