Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You honestly don’t see it? After everything that that poster had posted in here?

I’m stunned. Are you on a wind up?

This is your crusade, not mine. If you have a case to make, then make it.

If you do not believe his stated preference, then don't believe it. If you feel some great need to convince others to also not believe him, then get to work, read all of his posts and multi-quote him as much as you want. Stop asking others to do it for you.

He has argued the merits of digital. Probably because he felt that such merits were underrepresented here and perhaps in response to some pro physical penned by another certain someone; i.e.: the "someone" that says that they use digital code sheets as toilet paper, for example. This does not preclude him from enjoying discs or from speaking favorably of them.

You insist upon the importance of owning physical media while you buy almost all of your video games in digital form. You're quite the contradiction your own self. You have argued the evils of streaming, yet you are a subscriber who enjoys streaming. You are hastening the very end that you so much fear.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

This is your crusade, not mine. If you have a case to make, then make it.

If you do not believe his stated preference, then don't believe it. If you feel some great need to convince others to also not believe him, then get to work, read all of his posts and multi-quote him as much as you want. Stop asking others to do it for you.

He has argued the merits of digital. Probably because he felt that such merits were underrepresented here and perhaps in response to some pro physical penned by another certain someone; i.e.: the "someone" that says that they use digital code sheets as toilet paper, for example. This does not preclude him from enjoying discs or from speaking favorably of them.

You insist upon the importance of owning physical media while you buy almost all of your video games in digital form. You're quite the contradiction your own self. You have argued the evils of streaming, yet you are a subscriber who enjoys streaming.

I’m not. I cancelled Netflix 4 weeks ago.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m not. I cancelled Netflix 4 weeks ago.

Have you been awarded your 1 month Netflix anonymous sobriety pin?

You stream nothing at all then, no other services, no Quibi, no youtube, and no video on demand? Have you stopped buying digital games? Have you purged yourself of all things digital? Are thouest clean of all evil at last?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Have you been awarded your 1 month Netflix anonymous sobriety pin?

You stream nothing at all then, no other services, no Quibi, no youtube, and no video on demand? Have you stopped buying digital games? Have you purged yourself of all things digital? Are thouest clean of all evil at last?

I have no choice with console games, 85% of all VR games are digital.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have no choice with console games, 85% of all VR games are digital.

I understand. But you ignored the question about streaming, so I will repeat it: Do you still use streaming services? Those wickedly evil streaming services that imperil that which you hold so dear?

You use a mix of both physical and digital content, like many of us here do, except that it is acceptable when you do so because you have your reasons. Our reasons for doing so just aren't as good as yours; is that how it is?

If 85% of all movies were only available digitally, then buying digital movies would be just as okay, right? We would have your blessing then?

[Vilya]

I have some discs arriving today and tomorrow. Does anyone object to my redeeming the included digital codes or will the charges of treason be renewed if I do so?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I understand. But you ignored the question about streaming, so I will repeat it: Do you still use streaming services? Those wickedly evil streaming services that imperil that which you hold so dear?

You use a mix of both physical and digital content, like many of us here do, except that it is acceptable when you do so because you have your reasons. Our reasons for doing so just aren't as good as yours; is that how it is?

If 85% of all movies were only available digitally, then buying digital movies would be just as okay, right? We would have your blessing then?

It’s not ok, it’s simply not a choice.

Streaming you say? No, I don’t stream now. Just sattelite, broadcast, Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s not ok, it’s simply not a choice.

Streaming you say? No, I don’t stream now. Just sattelite, broadcast, Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray.

All luxury expenditures are a choice.

All you have done is to rationalize yours while criticizing others for theirs.

[Vilya]

I just have an over the air TV antenna, IPTV channels, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Vudu, 4K disc, 3D blu-ray, blu-ray, HD DVD, DVD, laserdisc, S-VHS, and VHS. I use 8 physical formats, some more than others, obviously.

[stonesfan129]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with digital purchases/streaming. The point I have been trying to make all along is that the disc is better quality at the same resolution(s). My main gripe with digital is that I cannot download the files and watch them wherever I want, such as my computer. I get that removing the DRM would make piracy a whole lot easier. But piracy is already taking place with or without DRM. iTunes removed DRM from music files years ago. It never led to more piracy or the music industry going belly up. I'd like to see that with their video files.

[Steedeel]

It starts

Take note of the mention of lower resolution helping reduce things

And people feeling the need to cut down on consumption.



Told you lot this would come didn’t I?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/7/18...reaming-google

More

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45798523

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It starts

Take note of the mention of lower resolution helping reduce things

And people feeling the need to cut down on consumption.



Told you lot this would come didn’t I?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/7/18...reaming-google

I really try not to denigrate you for your paranoia, but there is nothing in this article that should be a cause for alarm. Reducing carbon emissions is a good thing, but nothing in the article states that they will ONLY offer lower resolutions or limit access to content.

My biggest take away is the suggestion of offering audio only for their music streams, which actually makes sense. He only mentioned lower resolutions as the basis of the lower carbon consumption assumed for their study. There was absolutely no mention of limiting resolutions.

You seem like a good guy, but you really do need to dial back your doomsday prophesying. Especially when you link to articles like this that offer nothing that would be a cause for alarm. You read these articles and then extrapolate out the info that feeds your paranoia, often twisting it in torturous ways to fit your delusions. I am often called negative by those around me, but you make me seem absolutely optimistic by comparison. Enjoy life a little and stop worrying so much .

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I really try not to denigrate you for your paranoia, but there is nothing in this article that should be a cause for alarm. Reducing carbon emissions is a good thing, but nothing in the article states that they will ONLY offer lower resolutions or limit access to content.

My biggest take away is the suggestion of offering audio only for their music streams, which actually makes sense. He only mentioned lower resolutions as the basis of the lower carbon consumption assumed for their study. There was absolutely no mention of limiting resolutions.

You seem like a good guy, but you really do need to dial back your doomsday prophesying. Especially when you link to articles like this that offer nothing that would be a cause for alarm. You read these articles and then extrapolate out the info that feeds your paranoia, often twisting it in torturous ways to fit your delusions. I am often called negative by those around me, but you make me seem absolutely optimistic by comparison. Enjoy life a little and stop worrying so much .

Don’t you see where they could go with this though?

We could give the customers SD without reducing prices by claiming its climate friendly.

We can tax people who use TVs or devices for more than 3 hours a day.

We can raise our prices for people consuming at the highest resolution. (A guilt tax)

We can provide short form content that will make binge watching just as
appealing without taking anywhere near as long to consume.

We can push towards mobile as it uses less carbon.

The government and tech services will see potential in all of this, trust me.

I can see it now. Al, these crusaders pushing on social” media for us to watch far less tv.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don’t you see where they could go with this though?

We could give the customers SD without reducing prices by claiming its climate friendly.

We can tax people who use TVs or devices for more than 3 hours a day.

We can raise our prices for people consuming at the highest resolution. (A guilt tax)

We can provide short form content that will make binge watching just as
appealing without taking anywhere near as long to consume.

We can push towards mobile as it uses less carbon.

The government and tech services will see potential in all of this, trust me.

I can see it now. Al, these crusaders pushing on social” media for us to watch far less tv.

Aliens could invade the planet and subjugate us all. The sun could explode and destroy our solar system. Crazy politicians could start thermonuclear war and destroy all life on earth. All of these things COULD happen. That last one seems more likely every day, at least more so than some of your predictions.

Why waste time and energy obsessing and worrying over them until we have concrete proof that they will come to pass? And in reality, what does your worrying accomplish? It won't change anything. It only serves to make you unhappy and fearful all the time. If it happens, it happens. It will suck and we will commiserate with each other over what was lost. But at the end of the day the planet will turn and our lives will go on. Until we die. At least we have that to look forward to. Then we won't have to worry about it anymore.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Aliens could invade the planet and subjugate us all. The sun could explode and destroy our solar system. Crazy politicians could start thermonuclear war and destroy all life on earth. All of these things COULD happen. That last one seems more likely every day, at least more so than some of your predictions.

Why waste time and energy obsessing and worrying over them until we have concrete proof that they will come to pass? And in reality, what does your worrying accomplish? It won't change anything. It only serves to make you unhappy and fearful all the time. If it happens, it happens. It will suck and we will commiserate with each other over what was lost. But at the end of the day the planet will turn and our lives will go on. Until we die. At least we have that to look forward to. Then we won't have to worry about it anymore.

Having to work all week and then not have films/entertainment as my escape? I would rather be dead. (Honestly).

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don’t you see where they could go with this though?

We could give the customers SD without reducing prices by claiming its climate friendly.

We can tax people who use TVs or devices for more than 3 hours a day.

We can raise our prices for people consuming at the highest resolution. (A guilt tax)

We can provide short form content that will make binge watching just as
appealing without taking anywhere near as long to consume.

We can push towards mobile as it uses less carbon.

The government and tech services will see potential in all of this, trust me.

I can see it now. Al, these crusaders pushing on social” media for us to watch far less tv.

That's 6 "ifs" that you completely made up and not a one of which that is substantiated by anything in those articles or from anywhere else.

You are absolutely insane.

That may sound harsh, but it is succinct, and you prove it more accurate with every wild paranoid rant that you post.

No one is worried about any of this nonsense that you conjure up. You alone believe this crap and you alone are afraid of it.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Having to work all week and then not have films/entertainment as my escape? I would rather be dead. (Honestly).

"Oh yeah. Life goes on, long after the thrill of living is gone"

As I get older, that lyric from "Jack and Diane" by John Mellencamp seems more and more accurate.

[Vilya]

TV service is already taxed; look at your cable or satellite bill.

Multiple people living, or even just visiting, in the same household would make it impossible to determine if any one of them was viewing for more than 3 hours per day.

We already pay more for higher resolution, both with discs and with streaming.

We have had short form content for more than a century.

Anything can be promoted, but consumers will decide what they prefer. That applies to content resolution, mobile usage, and pretty much everything else.

Tech services, like any business, first and foremost want to maximize profits in part by offering consumers what they actually want, not taking what they want away from them.

Governments are always looking for more revenue, just like a business, but growing the economy is more effective in achieving that goal than just increased taxation which always carries the risk of angering the electorate.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

That's 6 "ifs" that you completely made up and not a one of which that is substantiated by anything in those articles or from anywhere else.

You are absolutely insane.

That may sound harsh, but it is succinct, and you prove it more accurate with every wild paranoid rant that you post.

No one is worried about any of this nonsense that you conjure up. You alone believe this crap and you alone are afraid of it.

Movements will begin across all consumption. Be it food, fashion (both already well under way) gaming, travel, tv, music. Why would TV set consumption NOT be part of this.

Look at meat free burgers (predicted to become multi billion business in a few years). Electric cars etc..

Nothing I have predicted in that post is crazy.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Movements will begin across all consumption. Be it food, fashion (both already well under way) gaming, travel, tv, music. Why would TV set consumption NOT be part of this.

Look at meat free burgers (predicted to become multi billion business in a few years). Electric cars etc..

Nothing I have predicted in that post is crazy.

Everything that you post in ALL of your posts containing your loony predictions is ENTIRELY insane. Every single word. Many have told you so, too, but with your typical crazy myopia you refuse to see it. If I had a dollar for every time that someone has said that you were nuts, I would have a sizable sum indeed.

The marketplace is driven by consumer demand. Consumers decide what succeeds and what fails.

Vegetarian foods are already a multi-billion $ industry and have been for a long time.

"economic activity in the US’s plant-based foods industry alone amounts to sales of approximately $13.7 billion a year."

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/...e-economy-too/