Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I feel like streaming would make more sense if all the TV shows and movies were available across maybe two or three services rather than each studio having its own service that must be subscribed to monthly. Music got it right where everything is available on a few different services. Movies should do the same and then maybe have exclusives.

the issue is that even though we think of them as being similar the music and movie industries are fundamentally completely different.

1) It takes very little money to release a single or album, it takes a lot of money to make a film or TV show.

2) the movie/Tv industry is limited to distribution and possibly merchandise. The music industry also has (extremely lucrative) concerts.


so for TV/movie content as long as it was a small side hustle (a few extra$ ) streaming with a single provider was ok, but as it is gaining ground that means the other revenue streams dry out and so either the existing streaming service needs to make up the lost revenue (or the studio can go under) or they need to try an other streaming service to make up the difference . so the way I see there was and will always be three possible outcomes for movies/TV.

- buffet: where you have access to everything but it is much more expensive than it is now
- à la carte: where you pay for different packages (kind of like cable/sat)
- different providers: where everyone says you need to pay for my service(s) directly to me.


3) this is more usage. But normally you will sit and listen to a few songs and you don't want the hassle of picking each one of them at a time. With TV movies unless you are binge/ marathon watching (which is almost not applicable to my point) you will want to go back to the home screen and pick the next thing so it is not much more trouble (if any at all) to go and pick it from a different provider.

what I mean by

[stonesfan129]

Rented Captain Marvel on VUDU today (HDX streaming) and thought it looked fantastic. In fact, I would have a hard time telling the difference compared to Blu-ray without a larger display and a full-bore surround sound system. I think I am okay renting stuff I want to watch once in awhile. I think I may just stop buying Blu-ray discs after Avengers Endgame and Star Wars - Rise of Skywalker. I just don't have space for the discs anymore. And yeah it may be awhile before these services bump up their quality, but I think what we have now is more than acceptable. Count me as a fan of streaming. Plus I find it incredibly convenient to download something from VUDU onto my Amazon Fire tablet and watch in different parts of the house or finish something as I'm going to bed.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Rented Captain Marvel on VUDU today (HDX streaming) and thought it looked fantastic. In fact, I would have a hard time telling the difference compared to Blu-ray without a larger display and a full-bore surround sound system. I think I am okay renting stuff I want to watch once in awhile. I think I may just stop buying Blu-ray discs after Avengers Endgame and Star Wars - Rise of Skywalker. I just don't have space for the discs anymore. And yeah it may be awhile before these services bump up their quality, but I think what we have now is more than acceptable. Count me as a fan of streaming. Plus I find it incredibly convenient to download something from VUDU onto my Amazon Fire tablet and watch in different parts of the house or finish something as I'm going to bed.

Let’s see if you still say that in five years.

[sapiendut]

We don’t have Vudu HDX in Canada but if Netflix 4K and Prime Video 4K of any indication, the PQ of their 4K streaming is only a tad better than regular physical BD and atrocious in anything under 40 IRE. Making watching any prolonged dark scenes to be unbearable (on both my 65” and my projection screen)

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

We don’t have Vudu HDX in Canada but if Netflix 4K and Prime Video 4K of any indication, the PQ of their 4K streaming is only a tad better than regular physical BD and atrocious in anything under 40 IRE. Making watching any prolonged dark scenes to be unbearable (on both my 65” and my projection screen)

I'd say even itunes 4k hdr, at least in Australia. I was wondering what it was like, so I picked up The Man From Uncle when it was on sale, given 4k and Atmos, so in the UHD world, it'd have been a nice upgrade. I got ten minutes into it and had to switch it off, and will stick to the blu ray. The image was pretty ordinary, and most of my blu rays look better. At 115" 4k projector.

I wonder if it'd be any better if these scumbags let you do on your home theatre streaming device like an apple TV fiestick etc that they let you do on a smartphone or tablet? Eg DOWNLOAD THE XXX-DAMN MOVIE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO STREAM IT.

[sapiendut]

Agreed. I compared iTunes 4K HDR Atmos to UHD disc of the same title. Both PQ and AQ are so not worth purchasing at all. Even renting at $6.99 in Canada is not worth the money. I only rent when it’s UHD HDR Atmos at $4.99 but not anything beyond that, especially not buying UHD movies through iTunes for $30. Why bother? Wait for another month I can buy the same movies on UHD disc for only $25 without our dreaded 13% tax (making those $30 movies turn to nearly $35) and I get faaaaaaaar better PQ and AQ.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

We don’t have Vudu HDX in Canada but if Netflix 4K and Prime Video 4K of any indication, the PQ of their 4K streaming is only a tad better than regular physical BD and atrocious in anything under 40 IRE. Making watching any prolonged dark scenes to be unbearable (on both my 65” and my projection screen)

Well I've been watching Jessica Jones on Netflix in 4K HDR, and it's mostly dark scenes with Fantastic PQ on my Sony 65"! You just have to have the right set up and Bandwidth. We will see tomorrow at the Shootout, but I think Sony will take it again. It's all about the Display now!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I've been watching Jessica Jones on Netflix in 4K HDR, and it's mostly dark scenes with Fantastic PQ on my Sony 65"! You just have to have the right set up and Bandwidth. We will see tomorrow at the Shootout, but I think Sony will take it again. It's all about the Display now!

You are not seeing the defects because you don’t want to.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I've been watching Jessica Jones on Netflix in 4K HDR, and it's mostly dark scenes with Fantastic PQ on my Sony 65"! You just have to have the right set up and Bandwidth. We will see tomorrow at the Shootout, but I think Sony will take it again. It's all about the Display now!

My setups were meticulously calibrated, wired connections, and I have 400 Mbps minimum sustained downstream for my internet. Consider yourself veru lucky if you can ignore the artifacts and/or don’t know where to look.

[avs commenter]

Not sure why you guys aren't having better luck with UHD streaming.

I recently compared Into Spiderverse regular blu-ray with the 4K stream on Itunes and the 4K stream blew it away.

[sapiendut]

I’m not saying streaming is unwatchable. I’m saying that UHD streaming is at best look as sharp as regular HD discs. Sound is noticeably worse (not bad, but noticeably worse).

So while I’d watch a movie at CAD$5 or less, I would not buy UHD/HD streaming instead of a physical media. Inconvenient? Perhaps “as good as physical media”? Still very far from it.

[avs commenter]

I notice a lot of folks who crap on streaming quality are also watching on a projector screen. With a projector screen, you are not getting the same quality of HDR you get from an OLED or LCD. Thus, limiting the (IMO) most important part of UHD.

[sapiendut]

As previously mentioned, I watch movies on both Panasonic OLED and JVC NX7 projector (the one with tone mapping). I watch in both stations using AppleTV 4K.

Most projectors can’t perform HDR well but this year’s JVC tone mapping makes viewing 4K HDR possible thanks to the HDR Optimizer (developed by Panasonic for JVC).

The only spot where I can’t tell the difference between physical and streaming is in my bedroom where I use a Sony 55X900F from a viewing distance of about 12ft.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Not sure why you guys aren't having better luck with UHD streaming.

I recently compared Into Spiderverse regular blu-ray with the 4K stream on Itunes and the 4K stream blew it away.

Backgrounds, backgrounds, backgrounds.

[Gretiem]

my biggest issue with streaming is audio quality but if i was just using a soundbar it wouldn't bother me.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Rented Captain Marvel on VUDU today (HDX streaming) and thought it looked fantastic. In fact, I would have a hard time telling the difference compared to Blu-ray without a larger display and a full-bore surround sound system.

As reviewed here on Hi-Def Digest the UHD/4K BD video received high marks but not reference quality. Being Disney I would wager it was finished in 2K. And once again, the Dolby Atmos sound track was under utilized, just like all other Disney releases except one .

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

As previously mentioned, I watch movies on both Panasonic OLED and JVC NX7 projector (the one with tone mapping). I watch in both stations using AppleTV 4K.

Keep in mind most of the pro streaming posters in this thread have a 65" TV, never had their display calibrated, have frame interpolation on, NR on, etc. Most probably don't own Spears & Munsil 2nd Edition so they don't have a clue if their display has problems or not. They take the set out of the box, plug it in, turn it on and go WOW.

On several occasions I have taken a pointer and tried to point out video aberrations to viewers, most NEVER saw them. Some people do, most don't, just the way it is!

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by wendell r. Breland

keep in mind most of the pro streaming posters in this thread have a 65" tv, never had their display calibrated, have frame interpolation on, nr on, etc. Most probably don't own spears & munsil 2nd edition so they don't have a clue if their display has problems or not. They take the set out of the box, plug it in, turn it on and go wow.

On several occasions i have taken a pointer and tried to point out video aberrations to viewers, most never saw them. Some people do, most don't, just the way it is!

lol

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Keep in mind most of the pro streaming posters in this thread have a 65" TV, never had their display calibrated, have frame interpolation on, NR on, etc. Most probably don't own Spears & Munsil 2nd Edition so they don't have a clue if their display has problems or not. They take the set out of the box, plug it in, turn it on and go WOW.

On several occasions I have taken a pointer and tried to point out video aberrations to viewers, most NEVER saw them. Some people do, most don't, just the way it is!

Very true.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Keep in mind most of the pro streaming posters in this thread have a 65" TV, never had their display calibrated, have frame interpolation on, NR on, etc. Most probably don't own Spears & Munsil 2nd Edition so they don't have a clue if their display has problems or not. They take the set out of the box, plug it in, turn it on and go WOW.

On several occasions I have taken a pointer and tried to point out video aberrations to viewers, most NEVER saw them. Some people do, most don't, just the way it is!

This is such a bad and lazy post that I'm not at all surprised at who it came from.

Vincent Teoh did a comparison video and concluded that 4K streaming and UHD is very close in PQ. The difference was hardly noticeable at a normal viewing distance. But sure, go ahead and assume that people who stream don't care about calibrating their sets. Or that that's the reason they don't see a difference.

Apple TV 4K iTunes Movies (Dolby Vision HDR) vs 4K Blu-ray - YouTube