Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No, it is not, you said the metadata was stripped off, it is not, it was never there to begin with.

It is clear to me you have no idea how audio and video work flows work. Prove me wrong, tell me about how the DV plugins work for the Avid.

LOL. Are you really doing this? Semantics. DV is metadata. It's not included in the HDR10 version.

Do you want to revisit the fact that you believe the DV version of a film on Itunes or Vudu is a completely separate grade (by computers!) than the one released on disc? Do you have a link that supports this? Or is this more of the anti-streaming BS you make up to make yourself feel better. Sad that most of the posters in this thread are too busy circle jerking each other over discs that no one gets called out for making stuff up.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Yes discs are higher quality but not by that much. Bitrates do not tell the whole story. Yes there will always be things that streaming doesn't always offer. That's not a disadvantage of streaming but more the content creators being greedy. Tomorrow they could quit making DVD/BD players or send out an update that cripples playback. No collection lasts forever.

How significant one finds the disc quality advantage to be is largely subjective, but I find it to be substantial. What matters to one person, and the degree to which it matters, will vary greatly. Bitrates are not the whole story, but they are a very large part of it. The codec is very important. Even the most advanced codecs only allow you to compress a file so much before artifacts become apparent. The gear being used by the end consumer, and the settings of that gear, are all important as well.

Selection does matter and while in theory anything can be streamed, just as it could also be encoded onto a disc, the fact remains that subscription streaming fails to offer a huge amount of content. If streaming does not offer what I want to see, then it is of little value to me no matter how convenient it is and regardless of the quality level it achieves now or later.

I have no concerns for the cessation of the manufacture of disc players. Even if it happened today, there are so many in existence that I could easily get another one, two, or three of them. I can still easily find vcrs, S-VHS vcrs, and laserdisc players to buy and those last two were very niche items.

I have many disc players and none has ever been sabotaged by a deliberately malicious firmware update. I think purposefully sending out a damaging firmware update would constitute a criminal act and I do not see any company taking such a foolish risk. None of my disc players have ever been accidentally rendered inoperative by a bad firmware update, either. Not once ever.

Also, firmware updates actually cease being offered after a couple years, sometimes less, into a specific make and model's life, yet these no longer supported players continue to work just fine. All of my disc players, from the oldest to the newest, all work as intended. In my experience, most hardware lasts for a very long time. My Oppo 93 is still doing great at 7.5 years old and there has been no firmware update offered for it for several years. My JVC S-VHS vcr and my Pioneer laserdisc player are still doing their job and they are both over 22 years old.

[Steedeel]

This^.

[Vilya]

As for collections not lasting forever; they do not need to as I myself won't, either.

However, my movie collection from VHS tape, S-VHS tape, laserdisc, DVD, HD DVD, blu-ray, 3D blu-ray, and now 4K disc has so far proven to be very enduring. My oldest formats still work and so do the oldest of my compact discs, the latter of which are now 36 years-old. I have VHS tapes that are over 30 years old, laserdiscs that are over 25 years-old, and dvds as old as 22. A product that lasts for DECADES, plural, offers enough permanence to satisfy me.

I genuinely wonder how well digital collections will fare after the same amount of time? How many times will digital titles get censored, get outright removed, and how many providers will cease operations and/ or merge one into the other causing the chaos and confusion that so many of our international friends in particular are experiencing? If you do not possess the title, you have absolutely zero control over that title.

In the more than three decades that I have been collecting physical media across all of these formats, I have had extremely few fail on me. I estimate to have experienced a fail rate of about 0.4% across all of these formats over more than three decades of collecting. In others words, out of nearly 8000 titles, I have had about three dozen fail and in almost all of those instances I was able to procure a replacement at no net cost to me.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

LOL. Are you really doing this? Semantics. DV is metadata. It's not included in the HDR10 version.

Do you want to revisit the fact that you believe the DV version of a film on Itunes or Vudu is a completely separate grade (by computers!) than the one released on disc? Do you have a link that supports this? Or is this more of the anti-streaming BS you make up to make yourself feel better. Sad that most of the posters in this thread are too busy circle jerking each other over discs that no one gets called out for making stuff up.

You don't have a clue how a work flow works, DV or otherwise, therefore I will not spend anymore time responding to you, a waste of my time.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

In the more than three decades that I have been collecting physical media across all of these formats, I have had extremely few fail on me.

Agreed. Even video tape is a lot more durable than it may seem. Some of our 2" quadruplex tape had 1000's of passes on them. The operators were required to mark off a pass each time a program was recorded and each time it aired.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

You don't have a clue how a work flow works, DV or otherwise, therefore I will not spend anymore time responding to you, a waste of my time.

changing the topic and/or leaving it is what you do when you're wrong

YOU started this with your ridiculous statement about different gradings. I called you out and asked you to provide a link. You can’t. And instead of admitting you’re wrong you change the topic. You do this all the time. It’s embarrassing

[Wendell R. Breland]

For those that like to deal with Robert Z of VE:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

We use Spears & Munsil new Hand Forged UHD HDR Benchmark Test Disc for our 10bit 4K HDR patterns and some of the beautiful video content on the disc in our 2019 TV Shootout. Thank you Stacy for giving us an early pressing of the disc!

I also signed on as a reseller for the USA and look forward to our first shipment next week.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For those that like to deal with Robert Z of VE:

Any price info yet?

[johndoyle123]

Sony dadc U.K. is closing by sounds of it , companies seeker cheaper replication taking its tole

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Any price info yet?

None that I know of, Amazon has listed it but no price info. IIRC paid about $30 each for the first two and caught the Disney WOW disc on sale for $18. My most expensive disc, Dolby Atmos demo 2015 for $50.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by johndoyle123

Sony dadc U.K. is closing by sounds of it , companies seeker cheaper replication taking its tole

Would not be surprised to see Sony DADC in India and Hong Kong become the largest DADC facilities. Have some disc that state they are made in Mexico, do not know who owns the pressing plant.

[Steedeel]

I have just heard that news about the Sony disc replication plant also. Not good news, wonder what will happen now? I take it they will sign a deal with another replication company. Regardless, this is a hammer blow for the Blu-Ray format and a very sad day for those workers.

[johndoyle123]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have just heard that news about the Sony disc replication plant also. Not good news, wonder what will happen now? I take it they will sign a deal with another replication company. Regardless, this is a hammer blow for the Blu-Ray format and a very sad day for those workers.

It’s not the replication plant closing it turns out it’s just distribution, it’s moved to cheaper location in amersterdam .... brexit etc
Sony recently moved London office also

Southwater = manufacturing

Enfield = distribution (possibly closing)
Bridgewater replication - moved to Amsterdam along with Sony London office

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have just heard that news about the Sony disc replication plant also.

Could be technicolor has under cut Sony on replication cost. The disc from Mexico may come from them.

[johndoyle123]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Could be technicolor has under cut Sony on replication cost. The disc from Mexico may come from them.

Replication isn’t going anywhere it’s just the dadc distribution facility
I imagine they are moving the discs to cinram like they did when it burnt down in 2011

[Steedeel]

Still sad for all those losing their jobs.

[johndoyle123]

Turns out the manufacturing hasn’t been done in the U.K. since early 2018 because of brexit all replication was moved to Austria to avoid rising costs

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by johndoyle123

Turns out the manufacturing hasn’t been done in the U.K. since early 2018 because of brexit all replication was moved to Austria to avoid rising costs

Ok, thanks.

[ShePearl]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Get a Oppo UDP-203 or one of the new Sony players and set the output to always be DV. That way you will always get to see your little DV indicator on and be pleased as punch .

AFAIK, all the DV titles on UHD BD are graded by a colorist. I strongly suspect many (most) of the streaming DV titles are produced via computer in a automated process.

Lol. Is this guy being serious?