Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

Exactly as it should be - we all make our own choices. But here in the UK, there have been one or two reports in the media where vegan groups have been protesting inside supermarkets next to the meat aisles attempting to discourage, even harassing shoppers from buying meat. I'm assuming the management would have shown them the door pretty quickly as otherwise customers would just buy elsewhere.

There are always examples to be found where some people behave badly in promoting their views. Extreme behavior makes the news and because it is so widely reported it can give a false impression that such behavior is more widespread than it actually is. Before you know it these isolated reports of extreme vegan activism can become generalized and then all, or most, vegans could get labelled as radicals.

I can probably find examples of offensive behavior by members of almost any group that you can name. It would be a mistake to just assume that such behavior describes the majority of that group. You have to dig a whole lot deeper than one incident or two to indict them all.

I remember an old story where PETA animal rights activists would go thru the drive thru at McDonalds with a dead rotting cow carcass in the bed of their pick-up truck to graphically make their point. As horrible as this stunt was, I am not ready to label most animal right activists as this extreme.

I also recall stories of environmentalists driving steel spikes into the trunks of trees so that lumberjacks would risk severe injury, even death, when they attempted to saw down the booby trapped trees. The steel spike embedded in the tree would cause their chain saws to lurch back and strike them, often in the head. As terrible as this was, I would never assert that most environmentalists were this unhinged.

The rush to generalize and label is too commonplace among us humans. We need to apply some critical thinking and analysis instead of leaping to conclusions.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Integra1995

I can't even find Panic Room wi5h Jodie Foster on
Blu-ray yet, but I have it on a DVD box set with 3 disc from Tower Records. I would never get rid of that.

You can get Panic Room in HDX in Vudu, even though I don't have any 4K Discs or Player I still have a Blu-ray Player and many Blu-rays and DVD's. If I want to watch 4K Content I don't need a Player, and it looks Fantastic with HDR!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Integra1995

I can't even find Panic Room wi5h Jodie Foster on
Blu-ray yet, but I have it on a DVD box set with 3 disc from Tower Records. I would never get rid of that.

Sony Pictures is expected to release Panic Room on both 4K and blu-ray relatively soon. Blu-ray.com already has the cover art posted here:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Panic...lu-ray/211017/

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

It appears AT&T has low hopes for SVOD DirecTV Now and big hopes on pending SVOD $15 WarnerMedia branded service (here).

advertising, that makes it a non starter for me.I refuse to pay someone to show me adds .

I won't pay to watch advertising, either. It is why I dumped cable TV five years ago.

A banner ad on the home page of a website I can shrug off, but not ads that interrupt the movie or TV show. If ads are present, I expect the content to be provided for free.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It would be a mistake to just assume that such behavior describes the majority of that group. You have to dig a whole lot deeper than one incident or two to indict the entire group.

I would never suggest for a minute that all vegans are fanatics, but unfortunately the odd handful tend to give the majority a bad name, and yes, tabloid newspapers can twist stories somewhat. But as you said earlier, it's down to choice. I respect their right to have a meat-free diet, and as long as they equally respect my right to eat meat, then we have no problem whatsoever.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You can get Panic Room in HDX in Vudu, even though I don't have any 4K Discs or Player I still have a Blu-ray Player and many Blu-rays and DVD's. If I want to watch 4K Content I don't need a Player, and it looks Fantastic with HDR!

"Need" has nothing to do with it. These are leisure activities.

A 4K stream can look good, thus the reason why I have streaming services as a part of my entertainment options, but a 4K disc looks much better. You wouldn't know because you don't have a 4K disc player. Of course, you can't miss something that you have never had.

Funny how none of the recent videos that you posted described streaming as being "fantastic." Your videos described streaming as "not unwatchable", "good", and even "laughable." Why are your own cited sources so critical of streaming if it is as wonderful as you think it is and why would you post them in the first place when they contradict your assessment?

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Sony Pictures is expected to release Panic Room on both 4K and blu-ray relatively soon.

That's good to hear, I hope it does get released eventually. I still have the DVD of this film, but I would definitely buy this 4K blu-ray for sure.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

I would never suggest for a minute that all vegans are fanatics, but unfortunately the odd handful tend to give the majority a bad name, and yes, tabloid newspapers can twist stories somewhat. But as you said earlier, it's down to choice. I respect their right to have a meat-free diet, and as long as they equally respect my right to eat meat, then we have no problem whatsoever.

That happens because many people jump to conclusions and make sweeping generalizations based upon isolated incidents especially if the story is about a group with which they do not identify or agree with. It's easy to think badly of those we disagree with and/ or dislike. The media has a penchant for reporting bad news disproportionately and it is not hard to see why people so easily extrapolate from the one bad apple that they see that the whole apple barrel must be tainted.

Individual choice should be respected, but when it isn't by some small few, we must resist the temptation to assume that this vocal minority is automatically representative of the majority. Every group has its zealots.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You can get Panic Room in HDX in Vudu

Means absolutely nothing. Many catalog titles in HDX look worse than they do on DVD and/or have a worse soundtrack than the DVD of the same title. It is amazing the number of catalog titles on Vudu and Amazon that are P&S while the DVD has the correct OAR (letter boxed).

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

A 4K stream can look good, thus the reason why I have streaming services as a part of my entertainment options, but a 4K disc looks much better. You wouldn't know because you don't have a 4K disc player. Of course, you can't miss something that you have never had.

Funny how none of the recent videos that you posted described streaming as being "fantastic." Your videos described streaming as "not unwatchable", "good", and even "laughable." Why are your own cited sources so critical of streaming if it is as wonderful as you think it is and why would you post them in the first place when they contradict your assessment?

Like I said, all that proves is Streaming Wireless is not that good. Sure the Bandwidth is plenty, but how about the consistency of the signal. That is the major flaw of Wireless, the signal is not as consistent as Wired. Also Latency is not as good. So when the testers saw flaws it could have been during signal drops. Maybe next year they will have some of the TV's Hard Wired.

[zarquon]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Like I said, all that proves is Streaming Wireless is not that good. Sure the Bandwidth is plenty, but how about the consistency of the signal. That is the major flaw of Wireless, the signal is not as consistent as Wired. Also Latency is not as good. So when the testers saw flaws it could have been during signal drops. Maybe next year they will have some of the TV's Hard Wired.

But... *sigh* oh, never mind.😔

[octagon]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

How can some many who are younger than me, sound older than me

To really appreciate how vapid most 'what's this world coming to' rants are you have to hear them over and over and over and that takes time.

Johnny Carson was making tofu and yogurt jokes forty years ago. Goofy people with goofy lifestyles are nothing new and neither are the goofy people who think somebody else's goofy lifestyle is going to ruin the world.

[The_Donster]

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I have had pretty good luck with the VUDU app. Most of my titles I’ve redeemed look excellent on my KS8000. I am in the process of considering a stand alone 4K player or waiting to see if Xbox releases an exclusive X console when Gears 5 hits. Right now I’m using my base One as my BD player. Like streaming, it plays as good as the source. I watched Friday earlier and it looked like an upscale DVD. I’ve only ran into this with the first Lethal Weapon with BD’s.

[sapiendut]

Saying something looks excellent on your TV is not enough.

What size
What viewing distance
What title
What equipment
Is the display calibrated
How’s the lighting condition

Those are all required to put out to be taken into consideration

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Like I said, all that proves is Streaming Wireless is not that good. Sure the Bandwidth is plenty, but how about the consistency of the signal. That is the major flaw of Wireless, the signal is not as consistent as Wired. Also Latency is not as good. So when the testers saw flaws it could have been during signal drops. Maybe next year they will have some of the TV's Hard Wired.

Not only are you completely wrong, you are also in denial. The fact these experts used a wireless network connection proves that a wireless network is as good as a wired network for the purposes of streaming. Contrary to whatever delusions you experience, you are not more knowledgeable than they are. They knew what they were doing.

It has been proven innumerable times that streaming over a wireless network yields the same results as those of a wired network. You have been provided links to many articles from several of our forum members that explain this, but you can not, or refuse, to comprehend it.

You can not possibly be so dense as to think that Robert Zohn would host a flagship 4K TV shootout, invite a group of experts to evaluate these 4K TVs, including their performance with streamed content, but then choose to connect them via an inadequate and flaky network connection. They are certainly smart enough to test the quality of their network connection. These experts can also tell the difference between the compression artifacts inherent to streaming and issues caused by a faulty network connection. A monkey could.

During the shootout streaming test there were no connection problems. None whatsoever. The streaming bitrates being received and the wireless network connection were monitored the entire time and they were specifically discussed during the streaming evaluation; there was no deviation noted in either one. You are just refusing to accept facts... again. You did not like their criticism of streaming, once you were made aware of it, so you had to conjure up the ridiculous excuse of blaming the wireless network connection.

They used a wireless network connection with 100 Mbps up and down and that is over six times the speed they needed to stream 4K content from Netflix. Latency is all but irrelevant with streaming as there is very little two-way communication between consumer and streaming server. Regardless, latency over a wireless network is way more than adequate not only to stream, but also to play video games. Barring uncommon signal interference or exceeding router range limitations, wireless networks are perfectly stable. This has also been explained to you countless times. Many people play video games over wireless networks with no issues at all and gaming, not streaming, is where latency is important.

The other video that you posted, the Kaleidescape "review", that called streaming "laughable", made no mention of network connections at all. You are just assuming that he was using a wireless network because you needed an excuse to dismiss his criticism.

You are the genius that posted these videos thinking that they supported your view of streaming's quality when, in fact, they are critical of it. It is now obvious that you did not watch them all the way through or that you conveniently dismissed any part that you disliked. Now, here you are trying to discredit the very videos that you cited to support your beliefs.

I use both wireless and wired connections to stream content and I can personally attest that I have observed no difference between them. The compression artifacts are there in either case. The streaming bitrates received are the same in either case. The latency is fine in either case. The connection is solid in either case. I would not even use a wireless connection at all if it performed poorly; why the hell would I when I have the option of either one?

You just twist everything you see to fit the fairly tale narrative upon which you are fixated. If facts conflict with your preordained conceptions, you ignore them or make up silly excuses like suggesting that the experts participating in the shootout were too dumb to establish a good network connection. Your agenda is to promote streaming and to blame wireless networks for any deficits found therein. Your motives are as transparent as your ignorance is intractable.

[sapiendut]

Why waste your time? Just let him be whatever he wants to be. I’m tired of him.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Why waste your time? Just let him be whatever he wants to be. I’m tired of him.

I find his willful ignorance to be highly amusing. I have never encountered anything like it before. I see him as comedy relief.

By my replying to him, he is sure to reply with another even more nonsensical post, but as funny as he is, he will never top the prediction that vegans are coming to take our TVs- a dire warning made just today by our resident renowned seer.

[sapiendut]

True true.

When I mentioned that I have 600 Mbps sustained downstream (I subscribe to 1 Gbps service but I can only get 800 mbps max) AND wired, he doesn’t say anything regarding my streaming complaints. Besides, it’s not like that the equipment doesn’t have buffer. I can actually unplug the ethernet cable for one second and plug it back in and still don’t see any break on the video.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

True true.

When I mentioned that I have 600 Mbps sustained downstream (I subscribe to 1 Gbps service but I can only get 800 mbps max) AND wired, he doesn’t say anything regarding my streaming complaints. Besides, it’s not like that the equipment doesn’t have buffer. I can actually unplug the ethernet cable for one second and plug it back in and still don’t see any break on the video.

When cornered like that, he just clams up or he changes the subject entirely. Wireless connections are his default scapegoats for any and all streaming issues... every. single. time.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I find his willful ignorance to be highly amusing. I have never encountered anything like it before. I see him as comedy relief.

By my replying to him, he is sure to reply with another even more nonsensical post, but as funny as he is, he will never top the prediction that vegans are coming to take our TVs- a dire warning made just today by our resident renowned seer.

Like I said, all Screens (LCD and LED) are made using animal cholesterol.