Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Honest, mate read my posts instead of selectively ignoring them.

Watching on Digital, will destroy film restoration and PQ but you can not seem to grasp that?

Originally Posted by tele1962

Yes Blu Ray is compressed but not to the vast amounts streaming is and if done correctly will not be noticeable?

What is the point of a company such as Arrow restoring a film for digital?

The Digital Files are the same for Blu-ray or Streaming, the only difference is BitRate. So you either Stream a Movie from your Blu-ray Player or your Streaming Provider's Hard Drive. With enough Bandwidth and a good Provider like Vudu, there won't be any difference between Blu-ray and Streaming.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

That sounds like the Voodoo language that self-proclaimed audiophiles use when you ask them what they actually hear. Too much sharpening is very likely from the master, since compression tends to soften high-contrast edges rather than emphasizing them.

It wasn't the master. The bluray looks great. All iTunes movies have had the same look to me. The compression isn't sufficent enough. Nowhere near.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Digital Files are the same for Blu-ray or Streaming, the only difference is BitRate. So you either Stream a Movie from your Blu-ray Player or your Streaming Provider's Hard Drive. With enough Bandwidth and a good Provider like Vudu, there won't be any difference between Blu-ray and Streaming.

Not true.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Digital Files are the same for Blu-ray or Streaming, the only difference is BitRate. So you either Stream a Movie from your Blu-ray Player or your Streaming Provider's Hard Drive. With enough Bandwidth and a good Provider like Vudu, there won't be any difference between Blu-ray and Streaming.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not true.

Yeah, I'm almost certain that's not true, agreed, Steedeel.

If it was the same quality as Blu-ray, it would be up to 45 GBs of data being downloaded over the course of a movie. No way. Not saying I know what size it is, but it's not identical in quality to Blu-ray. That much I know is untrue. Maybe someday it will be, though.

[wolfpackTri]

Everyone is arguing over bit rate and compression algorithms.

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What happens if UV fails to make the necessary impact and Vudu goes under? Don't forget iTunes and Amazon still have the biggest share of the pie. Vudu needs to punch above it's weight just to survive.

Vudu is a lot better than Amazon. What happens if your house burns down?

What happens if someone breaks in your house and steals your movies?

What happens if you get disc rot?

Scenarios are fun

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by wolfpackTri

Everyone is arguing over bit rate and compression algorithms.

Pretty much. We're just splitting hairs a little bit. For the most part, digital gives me almost all I need right now. The future is in the future. I'm not afraid of it. The movie industry will always be thinking of new ways to entice people to pay for their content. Rentals don't sound too exciting to me.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

Ha! Whoops. Yeah, I was misspelling it, you're right. Oh well, it was $7.99 on Amazon. A surprisingly decent price. Thanks!

I hate that about the Vudu site. If you misspell something on a search, it won't come up. Amazon knows what you're trying to type.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Texan26

I hate that about the Vudu site. If you misspell something on a search, it won't come up. Amazon knows what you're trying to type.

Yep, Amazon knows what's up. That's another reason they deserved my business in this case. They were literally the only provider I searched on that actually knew what I meant. I was only missing one letter. Heh

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

If it was the same quality as Blu-ray, it would be up to 45 GBs of data being downloaded over the course of a movie. No way. Not saying I know what size it is, but it's not identical in quality to Blu-ray. That much I know is untrue. Maybe someday it will be, though.

That day is closer than many think. Just using H.265 rather than H.264 (which is used on Blu-ray) can cut the bandwidth roughly in half without significant quality losses. Online delivery can quickly benefit from new coding improvements, while Blu-ray will always be based on ca. 2005 technology.

[wolfpackTri]

I have someone agreeing to buy 48 Steelbooks and a bunch more movies from me. I used Vudu Disc to Digital and put a bunch of them in my UV account for $1 a movie. Vudu is amazing

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

That day is closer than many think. Just using H.265 rather than H.264 (which is used on Blu-ray) can cut the bandwidth roughly in half without significant quality losses. Online delivery can quickly benefit from new coding improvements, while Blu-ray will always be based on ca. 2005 technology.

I believe it.

I just downloaded The Hateful Eight (HDX) to my PS3, and it is 10.39 GB. Looks solid, but not quite like a Blu-ray. Still, it's nice to know the quality won't fluctuate, since it isn't streaming.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

Originally Posted by alchav21:
The Digital Files are the same for Blu-ray or Streaming, the only difference is BitRate. So you either Stream a Movie from your Blu-ray Player or your Streaming Provider's Hard Drive. With enough Bandwidth and a good Provider like Vudu, there won't be any difference between Blu-ray and Streaming.



Originally Posted by Steedeel:
Not true.



Yeah, I'm almost certain that's not true, agreed, Steedeel.

If it was the same quality as Blu-ray, it would be up to 45 GBs of data being downloaded over the course of a movie. No way. Not saying I know what size it is, but it's not identical in quality to Blu-ray. That much I know is untrue. Maybe someday it will be, though.

You guys have to remember with Streaming you are not downloading anything, but playing Video Data from your Streaming Provider's Storage Hard Drive. That's why I say it's all Digital and it all depends on the BitRate and Bandwidth. So when you play a Blu-ray Disc it Streams that Video Data over your HDMI Cable to your HDTV, the same way you Stream that Video Data from your Streaming Provider's Storage Hard Drive. That's why I say Digital HD Streaming with a good Provider like Vudu are only limited by BitRate and Bandwidth, the Digital line between Blu-ray has been erased.

[Greyman]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys have to remember with Streaming you are not downloading anything, but playing Video Data from your Streaming Provider's Storage Hard Drive. That's why I say it's all Digital and it all depends on the BitRate and Bandwidth. So when you play a Blu-ray Disc it Streams that Video Data over your HDMI Cable to your HDTV, the same way you Stream that Video Data from your Streaming Provider's Storage Hard Drive. That's why I say Digital HD Streaming with a good Provider like Vudu are only limited by BitRate and Bandwidth, the Digital line between Blu-ray has been erased.

After a certain point increased bandwidth does not improve the picture. It's not a continuous linear relationship.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Greyman

After a certain point increased bandwidth does not improve the picture. It's not a continuous linear relationship.

No you are correct, it all depends on the Source. Just like a poor quality Blu-ray Disc, no matter the quality of your Blu-ray Player that Disc will still look bad. Same with a sub-par Digital HD Movie no amount of Bandwidth will improve it. The Stored Digital HD File needs the required size for the maximum BitRate.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Greyman

After a certain point increased bandwidth does not improve the picture. It's not a continuous linear relationship.

Originally Posted by alchav21

No you are correct, it all depends on the Source. Just like a poor quality Blu-ray Disc, no matter the quality of your Blu-ray Player that Disc will still look bad. Same with a sub-par Digital HD Movie no amount of Bandwidth will improve it. The Stored Digital HD File needs the required size for the maximum BitRate.

What Greyman means is that at a certain point, the quality hits its limit, no matter how great your internet speed is. Digital streaming can look quite good, especially with a strong internet connection, but that doesn't mean the bitrate is limitless or that they can potentially hit Blu-ray levels. The maximum bitrate of a Digital HD stream isn't equivalent to Blu-ray.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys have to remember with Streaming you are not downloading anything, but playing Video Data from your Streaming Provider's Storage Hard Drive. That's why I say it's all Digital and it all depends on the BitRate and Bandwidth. So when you play a Blu-ray Disc it Streams that Video Data over your HDMI Cable to your HDTV, the same way you Stream that Video Data from your Streaming Provider's Storage Hard Drive. That's why I say Digital HD Streaming with a good Provider like Vudu are only limited by BitRate and Bandwidth, the Digital line between Blu-ray has been erased.

Wrong. Compression?

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Wrong. Compression?

It's funny, because I endorse digital left and right these days without having to resort to complete bs. Those who are saying that digital is already caught up to Blu-ray in quality are not thinking/seeing straight.

Is digital acceptable quality? In my eyes, yes. But let's not kid ourselves and others by claiming that there is now zero difference between Blu-ray and Digital HD in terms of quality. It could easily get there, but it's not here yet. Enjoy it all you want, but don't declare it to be better than Blu-ray in each and every way, or even it's equal.

That is, unless we're talking about that Sony download service. But few of us have that service, nor do we use it. We're talking about Amazon, iTunes and Vudu mainly, when it comes to America. I've used all three and I've grown to like all three, but I'm not confusing it for Blu-ray. I haven't lost my eye for detail.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Wrong. Compression?

Originally Posted by master gandhi

Is digital acceptable quality? In my eyes, yes. But let's not kid ourselves and others by claiming that there is now zero difference between Blu-ray and Digital HD in terms of quality. It could easily get there, but it's not here yet. Enjoy it all you want, but don't declare it to be better than Blu-ray in each and every way, or even it's equal.

Master is correct, it could easily get there but I think by Tomorrow it will....Compression or No Compression!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

That day is closer than many think. Just using H.265 rather than H.264 (which is used on Blu-ray) can cut the bandwidth roughly in half without significant quality losses. Online delivery can quickly benefit from new coding improvements, while Blu-ray will always be based on ca. 2005 technology.

But then we have 4K on disc! Try beating that. Maybe in ten years?