Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by flyry

FFS i can't belive this is still going

This thread will never die. As long as physical and digital exist there will always be people debating which is better.

[The_Donster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rH...ature=youtu.be

As timeless as this old debate

[Wendell R. Breland]

Anyone here with Ghost in the Shell 3D? If true, how is the 3D?

Anyone planing on getting Alita: Battle Angel in 3D? Is this the first time a BD, BD 3D and UHD BD been released in one package?

I really hope this one is good because it was sourced from a 4K DI, shot with a real 3D camera and has a Dolby Atmos track .

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

The end of my Netflix 2 BD subscription

That will be a day for me as well. Going on my 14th or 15th year with disc by mail.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That will be a day for me as well. Going on my 14th or 15th year with disc by mail.

I signed up in 2000 and still look forward to seeing those little red envelopes in the mailbox. Since I don’t stream, it is the best way for me to see the movies I want to see, but am not motivated to buy initially when released. It has been a long time since I had a disc show up with a lossy audio track only, so Netflix has even corrected that frustration.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Anyone here with Ghost in the Shell 3D? If true, how is the 3D?

Anyone planing on getting Alita: Battle Angel in 3D? Is this the first time a BD, BD 3D and UHD BD been released in one package?

I really hope this one is good because it was sourced from a 4K DI, shot with a real 3D camera and has a Dolby Atmos track .

I have Ghost In The Shell 3D, but I have not got around to watching it. The 3D is reported to be very good, though.

I plan to buy the Alita 4K 3D combo pack and there have been a few 4K 3D combo packs before it, many were early 4K releases, though. 4K 3D combos seem to occur more often with European and Asian editions where 3D home video retains more popularity than it does here.

The 4K 3D combos that I have:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Billy...lu-ray/166477/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-A...lu-ray/156019/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Ghost...lu-ray/158499/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Aquam...lu-ray/230109/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Fligh...lu-ray/149217/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Passe...lu-ray/170451/

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by gotmule

I signed up in 2000 and still look forward to seeing those little red envelopes in the mailbox. Since I don’t stream, it is the best way for me to see the movies I want to see, but am not motivated to buy initially when released. It has been a long time since I had a disc show up with a lossy audio track only, so Netflix has even corrected that frustration.

Well, I’m glad to hear someone is receiving what they pay for and is happy with their service. I kind of ranted about this in another appropriate thread, but I received another damaged disc recently and ended my subscription today. Like gotmule, it was my go to on movies I was on the fence about. But between the slow turn around, damaged discs and receiving newer films on DVD I didn’t feel like I was getting what I was paying for.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Anyone here with Ghost in the Shell 3D? If true, how is the 3D?

Anyone planing on getting Alita: Battle Angel in 3D? Is this the first time a BD, BD 3D and UHD BD been released in one package?

I really hope this one is good because it was sourced from a 4K DI, shot with a real 3D camera and has a Dolby Atmos track .

Good, not great. The depth was quite impressive but not Black Panther or
KK: Skull Island impressive. There was a couple of good pop outs but again, nothing that was really far out of the screen and in your face. The holographic displays in the film worked quite well.

Film 2/5
3D depth 4/5
3D pop out 4/5

If the likes of Black Panther, Skull Island, GOTG2 and House Of Wax are grade A, I would put this film grade B.

I thought the film itself was bang average. Seen it all before. Lacked structure and likeable characters.

[p w]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You were right about one thing

twist and contort select nuggets of information into what you want to be facts all you want. that doesn't change reality. only yours. enjoy.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by p w

twist and contort select nuggets of information into what you want to be facts all you want. that doesn't change reality. only yours. enjoy.

I provided actual facts supported by linked articles from which those facts were taken; I posted direct quotes; not a word of which was "twisted" in any way. Nothing that you stated was supported by anything at all. You mentioned a "nugget" of your own, AT&T's purchase of WB, and then you made your own entirely contorted conclusion about what that transaction meant.

You were flat out wrong about pay TV subscribers as well. I found that out by taking your advice and actually looking it up instead of just taking your word for it. Having discovered that the central pillar to your entire argument was false, it completely collapsed. I make it a habit to research the claims posted on these forums as so many of them are wrong and/or the conclusions drawn from them are not supported by the facts. Even your long delayed reply contains nothing to support anything that you said then or now.

Pay TV and long form content will both easily endure no matter who markets what to mobile audiences. A $205 billion dollar global pay TV industry is not about to be eschewed by AT&T, especially when they have 45.1 million such subscribers in the U.S. alone. 71% of Americans subscribe to pay TV services and that tremendous market will not be ignored. Further, 58% of 18-34 year-olds have pay TV services and state that they have no plans to cancel their service. AT&T is a major power in many arenas and they are not solely focused on just one to the exclusion of all of the others. That would be foolish and AT&T is many things, but stupid isn't one of them. AT&T wants all of their divisions to "live long and prosper", not just mobile.

Here's one of the links that I provided previously so that you may ignore the facts yet again:

https://www.marketingcharts.com/tele...cutting-105558

Actually, beliefs, mine and even yours, do not change facts nor do they change reality. Perceptions, maybe, but reality and the truth are independent of them. By all means, you go ahead and enjoy all of the unsubstantiated pablum that you care to swallow; live within whatever bubble comforts you the most.

[The_Donster]

Meanwhile, at Stately Vilya Manor

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

[Show spoiler]

Meanwhile, at Stately Vilya Manor

To which you have a standing invitation to visit if you ever find yourself in the vicinity.




Time, and the freedom to spend it as one wishes, is the greatest of luxuries.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

And what happens to our beloved tv screens when this younger age group (millienials downward) reach middle age? No way do they suddenly and miraculously move onto a tv screen when many have already skipped that option. The old and new have to meet at some point.

I have two nephews in University and one that graduated last year (Spring 2018). the oldest is sharing a room with a friend and they bought a TV together. The middle one is sharing with 3 other students and one of his roommates brought in a TV, the youngest spent his first year in a dorm so there was no room for a TV, but he asked for my old 65" Tv for next semester when he is moving into an apartment with 3 other kids.

I would love to know where you found all these millennials or under that hate big displays so much that if gthey move out of their parents home won't have a TV where they are living.

Tablets/laptops/phones are individual devices, TVs are individual or group devices. If a kid is living at home they can use their parents TV/projector, but the minute they live on their own (or with roommates) they need and get their own.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Every generation has people who think new forms of media are going to destroy everything they love. They are proven wrong every time. Your attitudes are not new or unique.

not exactly true, as far as new content is concerned silent movies are gone, B&W is gone, academy ratio is gone, VHS is gone, 8 track is gone, audio tape is gone....)

The simple truth is if B (new thing) is better then A in every way then everyone moves from A to B and A dies, If A has some advantages over B and people care for them then A and B both end up going on for ever (or until C comes along that is better then A and B in every way)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Exactly. Something that escapes me is why you get so worked up about this Steedeel? I realize you are a film lover. Most of us are here. We just don’t limit ourselves on how we watch it

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Actually I limit myself even more than Steedeel: all of my movies, TV shows, video games, and music are on physical media. But unlike Steedeel I'm not the least bit worried that those options are going to disappear in my lifetime.

same here, if I am at someone else's place I will watch what is offered, but at home I don`t stream anything, and I don't watch stuff on tablets,laptops or cells.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not exactly true, as far as new content is concerned silent movies are gone, B&W is gone, academy ratio is gone, VHS is gone, 8 track is gone, audio tape is gone....)

The simple truth is if B (new thing) is better then A in every way then everyone moves from A to B and A dies, If A has some advantages over B and people care for them then A and B both end up going on for ever (or until C comes along that is better then A and B in every way)

Well, you're not exactly correct, either.

Silent movies are still made although by no means often. The Artist says hello.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000221167/

Black & white movies are still made and they are not at all uncommon. Roma is one rather well known and recent example. Nebraska is another. 1985 is still another.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls068165767/

Academy ratio is also still being used. The Artist says hello again and so does The Grand Budapest Hotel, Son Of Saul, and American Honey.

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/...-academy-ratio

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls020293611/

You can still buy music, including new releases, on cassette tape, too.

https://tapeheadcity.com/collections/new-releases

That's the thing about absolute statements; they are seldom as absolute as people think.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

B&W is gone

If someone prefers black and white they can easily play all movies in black and white. All they have to do is go into their TV settings and turn color to 0.

[The_Donster]

B&W is far from gone. It is in syndication, physical and streaming format. And as long as those exist, it, and many other venues will exist. While you might not support the format, rest assured someone does. So do what you want and stop worrying about things you can’t control.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I have two nephews in University and one that graduated last year (Spring 2018). the oldest is sharing a room with a friend and they bought a TV together. The middle one is sharing with 3 other students and one of his roommates brought in a TV, the youngest spent his first year in a dorm so there was no room for a TV, but he asked for my old 65" Tv for next semester when he is moving into an apartment with 3 other kids.

I would love to know where you found all these millennials or under that hate big displays so much that if gthey move out of their parents home won't have a TV where they are living.

Tablets/laptops/phones are individual devices, TVs are individual or group devices. If a kid is living at home they can use their parents TV/projector, but the minute they live on their own (or with roommates) they need and get their own.

If new ideas like Quibi (short form premium content at 7-10 minutes in length) takes off, the likes of Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Disney will want to produce short form content themselves to compete.

The point is, things can and will change. A generation that are exposed to that entertainment probably won’t want to sit through 1 hour shows and 2 hour films. Not when they can sit through shot-for-mobile tv shows in 7 minute chunks.

Look at binge watching? It wasn’t even a thing before Netflix.

There are some BIG names signing up for this Quibi venture. Spielberg, Del Toro, Disney, Apple etc..

It’s possible, if not almost certain that we will see a split Netflix. A short form version and the regular one. It’s also likely that the short form version might cannibalise the regular version. What then?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If new ideas like Quibi (short form premium content at 7-10 minutes in length) takes off, the likes of Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Disney will want to produce short form content themselves to compete.

The point is, things can and will change. A generation that are exposed to that entertainment probably won’t want to sit through 1 hour shows and 2 hour films. Not when they can sit through shot-for-mobile tv shows in 7 minute chunks.

Look at binge watching? It wasn’t even a thing before Netflix.

There are some BIG names signing up for this Quibi venture. Spielberg, Del Toro, Disney, Apple etc..

We have always had short form content; people have been accustomed to viewing it for over 100 years. Youtube in particular has been around since Feb. 14, 2005 and it has not had any adverse impact on long form content. Long form and short form content will continue to coexist. There is no evidence to show that long form content has ever been harmed by the presence of short form content. Not a solitary shred.

Why wouldn't "big names" want to produce short form content? Short form content has been popular ever since the nickelodeons of 1905-1915. It existed even further back than that, but the nickelodeon made it widely accessible for the first time.

Short form content is profitable, so of course "big names" want to be involved.

Those same big names are still making movies, too, and for the very same reasons: they are popular and profitable.

Binge watching existed long before streaming. I binged watch episodes of TV shows on dvd and laserdiscs years before streaming came about. I also watched marathons of TV episodes on cable TV long before both of those formats.

Binge watching also demonstrates that people are perfectly willing to watch programming for hours on end, which is contrary to your whole false assertion that people can not focus on any one thing for any length of time or that they do not want to spend more than "7 minutes" watching something.

You make less sense (if that's even possible now) every time that you try to defend this beyond silly prediction of yours about imaginary threats to long form content. Long form content is not only safe; it is thriving. More movies are being made, not less, and box office receipts are up, not down. People love movies, now as ever.