Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Puffy]

Mike from GHV provided some needed insight regarding JB4D in Reddit:

“They aren't suing. They sued. I had to pay out over $8000. Not sure what the other settlements and payouts were.

For selling the reissue. It shouldn't have involved the retailers. We can't check rights on every movie that comes in so we have faith that the companies have legitimate rights to the films they release. They also waited years after the release to sue everyone. We should have gotten a cease and desist and they should have sued only Code Red and maybe Kino for distributing it. Instead they went after all the retailers they could find that still had it in stock or on their site. I paid 8 grand for the 10 or so units I sold.
I've talked to Dave from Dark Force and he seems to be confident they don't even have the chain of custody for the legitimate rights. We'll see what happens.”

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Puffy

Mike from GHV provided some needed insight regarding JB4D in Reddit:

“They aren't suing. They sued. I had to pay out over $8000. Not sure what the other settlements and payouts were.

For selling the reissue. It shouldn't have involved the retailers. We can't check rights on every movie that comes in so we have faith that the companies have legitimate rights to the films they release. They also waited years after the release to sue everyone. We should have gotten a cease and desist and they should have sued only Code Red and maybe Kino for distributing it. Instead they went after all the retailers they could find that still had it in stock or on their site. I paid 8 grand for the 10 or so units I sold.
I've talked to Dave from Dark Force and he seems to be confident they don't even have the chain of custody for the legitimate rights. We'll see what happens.”

Who are "they"?

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Who are "they"?

I think the people in Dave’s post? Not sure here is the link

https://www.reddit.com/r/boutiqueblu...s/1gmqm4m/wtf/

[DrasticHandprint]

Originally Posted by Puffy

I think the people in Dave’s post? Not sure here is the link

https://www.reddit.com/r/boutiqueblu...s/1gmqm4m/wtf/

I’ve read the rant above several times as well as Mikes comments and I think they in this context is synapse, saying they sued the retailers for selling the code red reissue since CR didn’t have proper rights, and Dark Force is saying Synapse does not actually have rights to JBD. I think that’s the story?

[sb5]

If that’s true, that’s…pretty messed up? Why should retailers be on the hook/subject to lawsuits because the label(s) messed up the rights? How are retailers supposed to know that?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by sb5

If that’s true, that’s…pretty messed up? Why should retailers be on the hook/subject to lawsuits because the label(s) messed up the rights? How are retailers supposed to know that?

Well, hypothetically, if a retailer sold bootlegs of Warner Bros entire catalog from a different label, do you think they would not be on the hook legally?

Obvs this is a far less extreme situation than that, but its the same reason they can sue in this case

[DrasticHandprint]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Well, hypothetically, if a retailer sold bootlegs of Warner Bros entire catalog from a different label, do you think they would not be on the hook legally?

Obvs this is a far less extreme situation than that, but its the same reason they can sue in this case

I don’t disagree, but I do feel like going straight to a lawsuit for the retailers instead of doing a C&D first seems a bit much, especially when the retailers are actively carrying your products and doing business with you. Shrugs.

[Blu2u]

I speak for everyone when I say, we don't care. Keep this drama behind the scenes. He wanted to hush up the other dude complaining about Dark Force publicly.

I'll still buy the releases that interest me from Dark Force, but this is un-needed.

[sb5]

Originally Posted by Blu2u

I speak for everyone when I say, we don't care. Keep this drama behind the scenes. He wanted to hush up the other dude complaining about Dark Force publicly.

I'll still buy the releases that interest me from Dark Force, but this is un-needed.

I know a lot of people seem to love it/find it entertaining, but “boutique releasing as wrestling” is really tiresome to me. Just release shit or don’t - why the hell do I even know who these people are/their personal/professional grudges?

If someone can release Just Before Dawn 4K - great, release it. Otherwise say there’s “rights issues” and leave me out of it.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Puffy

I think the people in Dave’s post? Not sure here is the link

https://www.reddit.com/r/boutiqueblu...s/1gmqm4m/wtf/

The court documents referenced from the links on Reddit are very interesting. So, Redoak Communications, Inc is suing many parties for copyright infringement. The president of Redoak Communications is Vlado P Hreljanovic who is an executive producer of Just Before Dawn.

Guess we'll find out more in a few days since Redoak Communications has until 11/12 to amend their filiing.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Well, hypothetically, if a retailer sold bootlegs of Warner Bros entire catalog from a different label, do you think they would not be on the hook legally?

Obvs this is a far less extreme situation than that, but its the same reason they can sue in this case

What seems odd to me is they said they paid $8,000 and only sold about 10 copies. Why pay that much unless court costs were going to be more or they were relatively sure they would lose the lawsuit?

[cloudnine]

The Demon made it seem as if he was the one suing when it was the other way around.

[Demon Dave]

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

I do not mean this to sound harsh, but what in the ever loving god is all this? This label is kind of a joke. Website is down constantly. Of the two releases I own in 4K (one I sold) they look beat to crap with little to no restoration done. One mintue they are going out of business/abandoning 4K, the next they're back in and suing labels.



Is this all a big joke? This reads like the ramblings of a high schooler's deadjournal 20 years ago.

So you think our 4K releases of MIRROR MIRROR, DEAD PIT, JULIE DARLING, HOUSE OF SEVEN CORPSES, FINAL EXAM etc...etc... look like crap huh!!?!! The only joke Scott is when you look in the mirror mirror. Guess you forgot these are all older cult movies that did not have perfect production value to begin with so naturally they won't look as good as OPPENHEIMER!! But they are the best looking versions of those releases on the market and have all been selling out rapidly. So laugh at that.

[Demon Dave]

Originally Posted by HorrorBlu

It's surprising that Diabolik would have an issue with Synapse, considering they are one of the few retailers that carry their exclusives (The Convent, Blue Sunshine, Trick Or Treat, etc).

What's even more surprising is Jesse had no clue that Synapse was actually behind the trollish lawsuit that also targeted Diabolik. It's pretty simple math guys. Banana Man originally licensed movie from producer Vlado who died and then supposedly the movie went to maggot son Vlado Junior. Banana Man claimed Vlado Jr. said he could keep selling it after his license expired but of course Banana terrible book keeping doesn't get amendment to license in writing. Then along comes Synapse like the spider that sat down beside her realizing trolling opportunity of a lifetime cause they have partner that is lawyer. The little sneaks talk little Junior Vlado into licensing Just Before Dogshit not so they could release it but so they could go on a much more profitable suing spree against many beloved people in our world starting with Banana Man and his brother Walter while they were very sick and dying! And that is why I have declared WAR on them and little Vlado.

[Demon Dave]

Originally Posted by cloudnine

The Demon made it seem as if he was the one suing when it was the other way around.

Listen Cloudnine this is a very crafty very complex lawsuit that has been now going on for years as well as a fantastic money grab for Vlado and Synapse. But the party is over now that Dark Force has joined in. Tune in to our live state of war press conference this weekend on the Facebook page and you will get a better understanding as we are going to simply read the actual troll lawsuit itself. Then you should you'll see it as clear as RED, WHITE AND BLUE.

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by Demon Dave

So you think our 4K releases of MIRROR MIRROR, DEAD PIT, JULIE DARLING, HOUSE OF SEVEN CORPSES, FINAL EXAM etc...etc... look like crap huh!!?!! The only joke Scott is when you look in the mirror mirror. Guess you forgot these are all older cult movies that did not have perfect production value to begin with so naturally they won't look as good as OPPENHEIMER!! But they are the best looking versions of those releases on the market and have all been selling out rapidly. So laugh at that.

Ok, now I'm on board.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Demon Dave

What's even more surprising is Jesse had no clue that Synapse was actually behind the trollish lawsuit that also targeted Diabolik. It's pretty simple math guys. Banana Man originally licensed movie from producer Vlado who died and then supposedly the movie went to maggot son Vlado Junior. Banana Man claimed Vlado Jr. said he could keep selling it after his license expired but of course Banana terrible book keeping doesn't get amendment to license in writing. Then along comes Synapse like the spider that sat down beside her realizing trolling opportunity of a lifetime cause they have partner that is lawyer. The little sneaks talk little Junior Vlado into licensing Just Before Dogshit not so they could release it but so they could go on a much more profitable suing spree against many beloved people in our world starting with Banana Man and his brother Walter while they were very sick and dying! And that is why I have declared WAR on them and little Vlado.

What information do you have to say that Synapse is even invovled as they're not even listed in the lawsuit?

[Rayjg]

Originally Posted by HorrorBlu

It's surprising that Diabolik would have an issue with Synapse, considering they are one of the few retailers that carry their exclusives (The Convent, Blue Sunshine, Trick Or Treat, etc).

It’s just...business.

[JoelGoodsen]

Originally Posted by Rayjg

It’s just...business.

[Rayjg]

The judge has decreed a cage match at noon tomorrow. May the best Label win.