Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Wow.

And I don't even stream that often, yet the available internal storage is steadily evaporating away.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

And I don't even stream that often, yet the available internal storage is steadily evaporating away.

Surely TV sets are going to need way more space when 4K is everywhere.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

How about something different.

Something still seems to not add up about this statement.

This makes it sound like it is Hulu exclusively deciding to remove the app from these devices, with the manufacturers of those devices not caring or having any involvement one way or another.

But such a move does more to potentially benefit the manufacturers of those devices than it does Hulu (i.e. go buy a new TV even though the one that you have now otherwise works just fine). If people simply can't access Hulu, many would likely, at least for the time being, opt to cancel their subscriptions. Hulu loses money in that scenario.

This would be like a company that makes air fresheners for cars refusing to sell air fresheners to anyone who can't prove that their car is no older than a 2019 model. Why the hell would they care about that? They just want to sell the air freshener. For all they care, the customer could take it home and shove it up their butt.

The only logical reason for Hulu to care about people buying new TVs/devices would be if they are getting some kind of cut or kick back from the sale. But if that were the case, it would still mean that the manufacturers are making that deal, and of course would have their own self interest in mind in wanting to sell newer TVs, therefore (hypothetically at least) agreeing to such a deal.

So the idea of this exclusively being something that Hulu is mandating makes no sense IMO.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Surely TV sets are going to need way more space hen 4K is everywhere.

The TVs handle 4K content just fine.

They just don't support their streaming apps very well by limiting the internal storage to such small amounts; there's only enough space for just so many updates and that's it. The more apps that you use, or simply allow to update, the faster they consume that very limited storage.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The TVs handle 4K content just fine.

They just don't support their streaming apps very well by limiting the internal storage to such small amounts; there's only enough space for just so many updates and that's it. The more apps that you use, or simply allow to update, the faster they consume that very limited storage.

Consoles are the best solution for having a multitude of apps. Especially considering their long life span.

So, am I right in thinking Android tv, Roku interface and Apple’s tv is are better for updating multiple apps because they have deals to include these apps as part of their front end?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Consoles are the best solution for having a multitude of apps. Especially considering their long life span.

Well, assuming that you are a gamer. A $40 Roku vs. a $500 game console is a big difference in cost.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Well, assuming that you are a gamer. A $40 Roku vs. a $500 game console is a big difference in cost.

97 million PS4s alone. I think they are in the top 5 most popular streaming devices for all the top streaming apps such as Netflix, Amazon etc..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am not that surprised that a Hulu representative would suggest something so asinine. Yeah, I'll run out and buy a new TV just so I can subscribe to Hulu.

Maybe there is a grand conspiracy taking shape here? Maybe it is deliberate planned obsolescence to get us to buy new TVs more frequently? As we are beginning to see diminishing returns with the improvements to the latest TVs, perhaps a new motivation is needed? Streaming apps won't work unless you buy the latest TV model offered!

See what can happen when you read Steedy's paranoid too often?

Or you could just buy a $40 Roku and the whole conspiracy dies before it is even born.

You see paranoia. I see a opportunity to sell TV sets every 3 years rather than 5 or 6. You guys think why would I think that? I would say ‘why WOULDN’T they think that. In reality, it would probably just push more people to using tablets or phones.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You see paranoia. I see a opportunity to sell TV sets every 3 years rather than 5 or 6. You guys think he would I think that? I would say ‘why WoULDN’T they think that. In reality, it would probably just push mote people to using tablets or phones.

Instead of upgrading a cheap streaming box every 3 or 4 years and using their TV, people will instead exclusively use their tablets or phones (which they will also have to upgrade frequently)?

This is just another one of your "everything leads to a mobile-only future" posts that follows no logic.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Instead of upgrading a cheap streaming box every 3 or 4 years and using their TV, people will instead exclusively use their tablets or phones (which they will also have to upgrade frequently)?

Phones or tablets can easily handle the upgrades, it seems TVs cannot.

I’m not claiming this will be the case, I’m just saying it may have been discussed. If smart tv apps become the overwhelming choice fo4 the masses, would dedicated boxes be even required? It’s that convenience thing again. We know what damage that word can do. It’s like the new ITunes app. Why would you want their streaming box when you can just click a button on the tv.

Unless you guys think the industry always has our best interests at heart? Well, do ya?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You see paranoia. I see a opportunity to sell TV sets every 3 years rather than 5 or 6. You guys think he would I think that? I would say ‘why WoULDN’T they think that. In reality, it would probably just push mote people to using tablets or phones.

We live in a consumerist society. We are encouraged to replace everything we own as often as we can across pretty much every category of merchandise.

That is not the same thing as deliberately sabotaging and limiting the lifespan of built-in streaming apps on TVs in the hopes of convincing people to run out and buy a new one. Any inexpensive dedicated streaming device will allow you to keep streaming regardless of when your TV stops supporting any of its built-in apps.

Gee, the Hulu app no longer works on my TV; should I spend $1000+ on a new TV or should I spend $40 on a Firestick? Or use the apps on my game console? Or on my disc player? Or maybe just tell Hulu to go to hell?

I can assure you that the loss of a built-in streaming app on my current TV would never cause me to run out and replace an otherwise perfectly good TV and I doubt that very many people would take that Hulu reps. alleged idiotic advice.

The conspiracy I conjured up was a joke and it was not intended to be adopted by you although I am not a bit surprised that you would.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

We live in a consumerist society. We are encouraged to replace everything we own as often as we can across pretty much every category of merchandise.

That is not the same thing as deliberately sabotaging and limiting the lifespan of built-in streaming apps on TVs in the hopes of convincing people to run out and buy a new one. Any inexpensive dedicated streaming device will allow you to keep streaming regardless of when your TV stops supporting any of its built-in apps.

Gee, the Hulu app no longer works on my TV; should I spend $1000+ on a new TV or should I spend $40 on a Firestick? Or use the apps on my game console? Or on my disc player? Or maybe just tell Hulu to go to hell?

I can assure you that the loss of a built-in streaming app on my current TV would never cause me to run out and replace an otherwise perfectly good TV and I doubt that very many people would take that Hulu reps. alleged idiotic advice.

The conspiracy I conjured up was a joke and it was not intended to be adopted by you although I am not a bit surprised that you would.

I would then suggest that it’s in their interests to make built in apps the ONLY way to access streaming services.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I would then suggest that it’s in their interests to make built in apps the ONLY way to access streaming services.

In who's interest? Hulu doesn't make TVs, they don't care if your TV is 20 years old or if you buy a new one every year. They don't make money on the TV either way.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Phones or tablets can easily handle the upgrades, it seems TVs cannot.

I’m not claiming this will be the case, I’m just saying it may have been discussed. If smart tv apps become the overwhelming choice fo4 the masses, would dedicated boxes be even required? It’s that convenience thing again. We know what damage that word can do. It’s like the new ITunes app. Why would you want their streaming box when you can just click a button on the tv.

Unless you guys think the industry always has our best interests at heart? Well, do ya?

My phone can no longer run some apps, so don't even begin to think that they are meant to be used indefinitely. We are constantly encouraged to upgrade our phones far more than we ever are with our TVs. Many of these new phones now cost more than do several models of very good 4K TVs. I receive marketing every week from my cell phone provider attempting to upgrade my phone; they are relentless. My TV manufacturer only contacts me once in a great while.

So many people are in the habit of buying a new phone every couple of years that they likely would never notice that older phones lose the ability to update, and even run, some apps.

Dedicated streaming devices are tiny, some are the size of a USB drive, and their portability makes them super convenient. You can connect them to almost any TV or computer that you encounter in your travels. They also have easier access to the widest range of apps. They handle updates better and for longer. Above all, they are very inexpensive.

[The_Donster]

Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but when I first bought our first flatscreen and BD player smart tv’s weren't around yet and I my early 360 didn’t hook up to the internet wirelessly. So I streamed via my player. Fast forward to now and I have so many options. Smart TV, console, BD players, iPhone, etc. That’s the funny thing about tech. As long as it’s evolving there’s always going to be options for the consumers.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I would then suggest that it’s in their interests to make built in apps the ONLY way to access streaming services.

Wanting a monopoly and having one are not the same thing. There are too many ways to have streaming apps for TV manufacturers to ever have any hope of such exclusive control.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

So the idea of this exclusively being something that Hulu is mandating makes no sense IMO.

Another related news byte - see Correction: Hulu Is Ending Support For Most But Not All DVD & Blu-ray Players

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[The_Donster]

As far as the person with the Samsung 8500? Who knows what they’re issues. I can tell you that as a 8000 owner Hulu app pulls up just fine and I just had a firmware update.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Another related news byte - see Correction: Hulu Is Ending Support For Most But Not All DVD & Blu-ray Players

I use my Oppo 203 and my region free Oppo 93 as my primary disc players and I don't give damn one what hardware Hulu does, or does not, support.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I use my Oppo 203 and my region free Oppo 93 as my primary disc players and I don't give damn one what hardware Hulu does, or does not, support.

Love the 203's HDMI input to ATV4K with Dolby Vison bypass. No memory needed to run apps wasted in the player.