American Graffiti (1973) (Special Edition)

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Beast

Ahh, Gotta love the Screenshot Scientists at work as usual.

You really need to stop assuming that everyone is as ignorant as you are. Knowing what you don't know is the first step towards wisdom.

Do you know the first thing about film and modern scanning techniques? If you do, you have no excuse to defend what they have done to this release.

[bubbajr11]

Columbia House has American Graffiti for $16.17 plus free shipping. The free shipping code is 20110513FTST1D. Chris

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

You really need to stop assuming that everyone is as ignorant as you are. Knowing what you don't know is the first step towards wisdom.

And using screen shots online as proof of anything is foolishness.
Someone remarked it seemed like another case just like BTTF. We can hope so.

Do you know the first thing about film and modern scanning techniques? If you do, you have no excuse to defend what they have done to this release.

Yes. And I know that EE and DNR are common. And every release utilitizes them in some form.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Beast

And using screen shots online as proof of anything is foolishness.
Someone remarked it seemed like another case just like BTTF. We can hope so.

Yes. And I know that EE and DNR are common. And every release utilitizes them in some form.

Yes every BD comes from a master that has been noise reduced and sharpened and looks just like this:


Beast, what exactly is it that you get out of relentlessly
defending garbage? You say that you know something about
film and scanning techniques. If that is indeed the case
(though I suspect it is not), surely you can see that this is
garbage. Surely if you know how bluray.com extracts their
caps then you would know that the crap in this image isn't the
result of .jpeg compression. Surely you would know that.

[retablo]

Older film stocks had larger grain, which is what this looks like to me, combined with the low budget nature of the film. But yes, there is EE.

[teamneedle]

Originally Posted by Beast

Someone remarked it seemed like another case just like BTTF. We can hope so.

BTTF 2 and 3 don't look that good.

[teamneedle]

Originally Posted by retablo

Older film stocks had larger grain, which is what this looks like to me, combined with the low budget nature of the film. But yes, there is EE.

yeah- go back and watch the dvd...

it definitely looks better than that master-

I have an HDTV rip and those screen shots look a lot better than it-

this film just has a certainly quality to the film stock that it probably won't ever look awesome- i'll prob be happy with whatever we get... i'm sure we won't get a new transfer/master until blu-rays successor so no need to worry-

its not like alien 3 and 4 looking so-so and with enough complaining they might remaster them, this will be the only american graffiti that we get.

that being said i am hoping for another crack at aliens- the new color grading completely changes the atmosphere of that film, i can't even watch it anymore.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

Every single still presented on this site exhibits copious noise reduction that turns the grain into a smeary blobby mess. If you can't see that then either you aren't looking at the 1080p caps or you don't know what film looks like.

American Graffiti is a Lucasfilm LTD production, distributed by Universal. If you don't think Lucasfilm has final say on what goes out to the public, you are mistaken.

Film doesn't just have one look, so it's not quite as easy as you say.

Originally Posted by Strevlac

Yes every BD comes from a master that has been noise reduced and sharpened and looks just like this:

[Show spoiler]

Beast, what exactly is it that you get out of relentlessly
defending garbage? You say that you know something about
film and scanning techniques. If that is indeed the case
(though I suspect it is not), surely you can see that this is
garbage. Surely if you know how bluray.com extracts their
caps then you would know that the crap in this image isn't the
result of .jpeg compression. Surely you would know that.

How about this one then?:

Criterion's Paris,Texas

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...732&position=5

or this one?:

Criterion's Walkabout
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...841&position=1

or even this?

Criterion's Days of Heaven

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...848&position=1

One of the most spectacular shots in the film.

I really don't like your tone. You think you know everything, and come off as very arrogant.
Therefore, I couldn't care less what you think.
Good day to you.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by retablo

Older film stocks had larger grain, which is what this looks like to me, combined with the low budget nature of the film. But yes, there is EE.

AG was shot in techniscope 35mm which is a very grainy format. But that isn't grain, that is a poor representation of the grain due to a bad transfer. Film grain is sharp, not that clumpy mess.

[HDEyes]

So utter disappointed with the news on this. This is one of my all time favorite films and I was so hoping it's BD treatment was going to shine as bright as possible. Studios do this as an anchor for us fans to double dip in the future? If only there were hope Criterion could rescue this movie from the clutches of Universal and I guess A-HOLE Lucas! maybe they could produce the dream transfer. Damn.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Film doesn't just have one look, so it's not quite as easy as you say.




How about this one then?:

Criterion's Paris,Texas

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...732&position=5

or this one?:

Criterion's Walkabout
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...841&position=1

or even this?

Criterion's Days of Heaven

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...848&position=1

One of the most spectacular shots in the film.

I really don't like your tone. You think you know everything, and come off as very arrogant.
Therefore, I couldn't care less what you think.
Good day to you.

Those are all old, outdated spirit scans and could look a helluvalot better.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

AG was shot in techniscope 35mm which is a very grainy format. But that isn't grain, that is a poor representation of the grain due to a bad transfer. Film grain is sharp, not that clumpy mess.

Wrong. Film grain varies depending on film stock. Nice try, though.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by retablo

Wrong. Film grain varies depending on film stock. Nice try, though.

Grain size depends on stock and lighting conditions, but outside of that the grain itself looks the same.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by retablo

Older film stocks had larger grain, which is what this looks like to me, combined with the low budget nature of the film. But yes, there is EE.

Yeah, you can clearly see the grain in the images. So again, seems like much ado about nothing.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yeah, you can clearly see the grain in the images. So again, seems like much ado about nothing.

You guys aren't getting it. I am not saying AG is not a grainy film. It is. This transfer is ancient and filtered and is not resolving the grain properly.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

You guys aren't getting it. I am not saying AG is not a grainy film. It is. This transfer is ancient and filtered and is not resolving the grain properly.

Or that's the way the film looks. Period. Because of the stock used. And it's the best the film is ever going to look.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by notops

Film, especially from the 70's, will never ever have EE halos. Screenshots are a perfectly useful way to tell if a transfer will contain DNR and EE.

And again..., every release uses those at some level. It looks pretty damn good to me.

[notops]

Originally Posted by Beast

Or that's the way the film looks. Period. Because of the stock used. And it's the best the film is ever going to look.

No.
Film will not have "halos". Those are a byproduct of artificial sharpening (Edge Enhancement) in the digital realm. AG did not look that way in 35mm. Yes, all tranfers use some in moderation, but thats the key, isn't it, MODERATION.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Beast

Or that's the way the film looks. Period. Because of the stock used. And it's the best the film is ever going to look.

What do you do for a living Beast? Please share since you know so much about the techniscope 35mm process.

Here's a cap from The Evil Dead, which was shot on 16mm film. It's grainy, yeah. But that's what actual film grain looks like. Not like that AG cap above or any of those sorry Criterion caps

http://media.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray...hot-lrg-01.png

[Blu Warrior]

Horrible review. He constantly brings up Lucas' name and it makes him sound like an angry UOT fanboy. I guess he forgot the universal praise and glowing reviews for this classic upon it's release and that it gets to this day.