The Tree of Life (2011) - Page 8 - Blu-ray Forum

Carl Elvis · 08-09-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 42041

what are some films you consider "true works of art"?

Pedro Almodovar's Bad Education and Nolan's Inception, just plain brilliant works.

rezpekt · 08-09-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

Agreed. Talk about a waste of time. And if I was an actor, I'd turn down the roles for his films. Work god knows how long and 85% of what you film and put work into gets cut. How fun!

In that case you don't know much about filmmaking. Most films have a lot of scenes cut out, numerous different takes, etc.

For example: the opening scene of The Social Network was shot 99 times and 268 hours of footage was shot in total.

Weirded Wonder · 08-09-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lemonski

That one puzzles me too

I think that if the mother represents grace, her floating in the garden shows it in its ethereal, spiritual form, neither bound to earth or her human state.

I thought of the garden as the womb and the mother as she relates to the boy, a timeless trinity. But that's what I love about it, I'm free to take it as I wish. I feel the vagueness of the film is what puts people off too many of us are used to Here is A, B is the problem, and C is the result.

KubrickFan · 08-09-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Elvis

Honestly, that's another thing that puts me off about Malick, he's got a cut with double the running time? Come on, no way any serious storyteller had a clear goal when half of what they shot could be cut out of the movie. You don't see Christopher Nolan with a six hour cut of Inception.

Six hours of exposition how a dream world would have rules would be quite unbearable, I'll give you that.

But you don't see that Malick and Nolan are completely different filmmakers? While Malick uses a script, he doesn't swear by it. The script is simply one version of the film, while the shooting is yet another, and during editing several other versions of the movie are made until Malick crafts his final version. Whether that's the six hour or the theatrical version remains to be seen.

Carl Elvis · 08-09-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinto

Keep in mind that this definition of art is coming from the same person who compared The Tree of Life in a negative way to, "going to museums and trying to figure out meaning in abstract paintings". Talk about anti-intellectual, lol!

I live in Manhattan, a cab ride away from MoMA, the Whitney, Met, Morgan library, etc. I've seen more art just this past Spring than you probably have in your entire life.

Now some might call Jackson Pollock or Damien Hirst "artists", but you can't compare their work to early Picasso. If you want to get an idea of what is and isn't art, watch Robert Hughes' documentary The Mona Lisa
Curse.

KubrickFan · 08-10-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Elvis

I live in Manhattan, a cab ride away from MoMA, the Whitney, Met, Morgan library, etc. I've seen more art just this past Spring than you probably have in your entire life.

Now some might call Jackson Pollock or Damien Hirst "artists", but you can't compare their work to early Picasso. If you want to get an idea of what is and isn't art, watch Robert Hughes' documentary The Mona Lisa
Curse.

Of course you can't compare them, they are completely different artists that produce completely different works of art. Comparing them would be like comparing Picasso with Rembrandt. Both are great painters, but not at all comparable when you look at the paintings themselves.

Variable_Star · 08-10-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Elvis

I live in Manhattan, a cab ride away from MoMA, the Whitney, Met, Morgan library, etc. I've seen more art just this past Spring than you probably have in your entire life.

Ah, the old "I'm more cultured than you are!" chestnut. Feels like I'm back in grade school.

Carl Elvis · 08-10-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Variable_Star

Ah, the old "I'm more cultured than you are!" chestnut. Feels like I'm back in grade school.

Lol, go back a few pages, I've been getting creamed for daring to have Transformers in my collection. Is there no love for 80's robots?

Snicket · 08-10-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Elvis

Lol, go back a few pages, I've been getting creamed for daring to have Transformers in my collection. Is there no love for 80's robots?

Your not getting creamed because you like Transformers, I liked the first Transformers. Your getting creamed because you are an ignorant troll who just wants to cause drama.

Carl Elvis · 08-10-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Snicket

Your not getting creamed because you like Transformers, I liked the first Transformers. Your getting creamed because you are an ignorant troll who just wants to cause drama.

Well this has run it's course.

Here's a link to a discussion on the film between three reviewers, some interesting points all around.

http://youtu.be/6Se-JAttj48

keldons · 08-10-2011, 10:38 PM

still going to doubt this is coming without any press release from Fox. Considering Criterion has made too much of a big deal about this to not try and pick it up.

scivian · 08-11-2011, 06:43 PM

Mainly a response to the video review, but also may be helpful to others...

I'm not going to prove this, only state it. For three thousand years we have walked around with the idea that explanation was King. If this film wasn't liked because it wasn't decoded, then perhaps you were left with the miraculous mystery which is all but dead in our world and thus didn't know what to do with it...like nothing at all.

(before the most obvious point is stated with a boisterous self congratulations...surely rationality has value)

TYSONvsCHANNING · 08-11-2011, 09:01 PM

[QUOTE=aggienader08;5018380]
1.) Criterion likes Fincher. Look for The Game (Universal Studios) to be coming soon from CC.

Source?

UUUUGGGGHHHH · 08-11-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSONvsCHANNING

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Originally Posted by aggienader08

1.) Criterion likes Fincher. Look for The Game (Universal Studios) to be coming soon from CC.

Source?

It's been hinted at, and it was also a Criterion Collection release back in the laserdisc days. Pretty sure we had something close to a confirmation, but I could be mistaken.

Riff Magnum · 08-11-2011, 10:06 PM

A friend of mine who saw the movie with me has a theory that the dinosaur scene was somehow an alternate reality, in which meat eating dinosaurs like the one in the movie somehow "evolved" and didn't wanna kill. Personally, i think Malick was just f'ing with our expectations. Everyone expected the alpha dino to simply rip the other in half, but it didn't. Just a nice little moment methinks. Also, it seems to me that the stream bed they're in is also featured later on in the movie in "present day" but now it's filled with water.

We also both think that many of the family scenes in the movie aren't "real." They're more like revisionist history. The scene where he gets in his dad's face and yells and Brad Pitt does nothing and also the scene where he comes home from a day of troublemaking to find his mother in the yard waiting for him, but no punishment is forthcoming.

One more thing i like about Malick is obviously his editing. It seems during the shots where he holds it forever, it almost as if he's challenging you to find the find the "thing" that's being observed and realize that the pacing of the edits comes from that "thing." Many times it's off to the side of the screen or somewhere that's not the focal point of the shot, but once you locate it the edits make more sense.

Riff Magnum · 08-11-2011, 10:10 PM

Oh yeah, we were also fascinated with that nasty ass dog with the blood on it's backside that seems to be featured in many of the "boys at play" scenes throughout the neighborhood. It seems perfect to me that a dog like that would be hanging around. It also seemed there was something peculiar about one of the "bad" boys they hung around with. Like he was extra evil or something. Anyone remember the boy i mean?

"It's an experiment!!!"

lemonski · 08-12-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by keldons

still going to doubt this is coming without any press release from Fox. Considering Criterion has made too much of a big deal about this to not try and pick it up.

Yeah, October is coming up pretty quickly, with no news at all yet.

I'd be more than happy for Criterion to put together a deluxe version with extras, and get the French release to tide me over.

(p.s. they can bring out Badlands as well while they're at it)

rezpekt · 08-12-2011, 10:31 AM

[quote=TYSONvsCHANNING;5066571]

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Originally Posted by aggienader08

1.) Criterion likes Fincher. Look for The Game (Universal Studios) to be coming soon from CC.

Source?

Criterion Collection, David Fincher, etc have confirmed it themselves.

activator · 08-12-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 42041

what are some films you consider "true works of art"?

I think a great reference point (...together with 2001...) is Andrea Tarkovsky's "The Mirror" ..i saw both these movies at the cinema !...Levitation of the mother figure in the film, also represents grace in "the Tree of Life"

To my mind, Mallik is able to fuse both allegories...probably alongside the movie "Stargate" which is about an interstellar teleportation device found in Egypt....which leads to a planet of humans worshipping the god Ra.

I also watched the 15.5 hours of the epic "Berlin Alexanderplatz"...hence i would certainly relish a six hour cut from the only director who could live in the same company as Kubrick !!!!!!

TYSONvsCHANNING · 08-12-2011, 07:19 PM

I would love to see The Game on Criterion blu. I think it's an underrated film but not among Fincher's best. But there is no such thing as a bad David Fincher film. I somehow doubt that this is going to be released in October. As long as Criterion distributes it, I could wait until Christmas time.

08-10-2011, 10:38 PM	#151
keldons Expert Member Member since:Dec 2009	still going to doubt this is coming without any press release from Fox. Considering Criterion has made too much of a big deal about this to not try and pick it up.

08-11-2011, 06:43 PM	#152
scivian Junior Member Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray reviews:2	Mainly a response to the video review, but also may be helpful to others... I'm not going to prove this, only state it. For three thousand years we have walked around with the idea that explanation was King. If this film wasn't liked because it wasn't decoded, then perhaps you were left with the miraculous mystery which is all but dead in our world and thus didn't know what to do with it...like nothing at all. (before the most obvious point is stated with a boisterous self congratulations...surely rationality has value)

08-11-2011, 09:01 PM	#153
TYSONvsCHANNING Member Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Pennsylvania Blu-ray collection:160 Blu-ray reviews:2	[QUOTE=aggienader08;5018380] 1.) Criterion likes Fincher. *Look for The Game* (Universal Studios) to be coming soon from CC.** Source?

08-11-2011, 10:06 PM	#155
Riff Magnum Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2008 Location:The Island Blu-ray collection:149	A friend of mine who saw the movie with me has a theory that the dinosaur scene was somehow an alternate reality, in which meat eating dinosaurs like the one in the movie somehow "evolved" and didn't wanna kill. Personally, i think Malick was just f'ing with our expectations. Everyone expected the alpha dino to simply rip the other in half, but it didn't. Just a nice little moment methinks. Also, it seems to me that the stream bed they're in is also featured later on in the movie in "present day" but now it's filled with water. We also both think that many of the family scenes in the movie aren't "real." They're more like revisionist history. The scene where he gets in his dad's face and yells and Brad Pitt does nothing and also the scene where he comes home from a day of troublemaking to find his mother in the yard waiting for him, but no punishment is forthcoming. One more thing i like about Malick is obviously his editing. It seems during the shots where he holds it forever, it almost as if he's challenging you to find the find the "thing" that's being observed and realize that the pacing of the edits comes from that "thing." Many times it's off to the side of the screen or somewhere that's not the focal point of the shot, but once you locate it the edits make more sense.

08-11-2011, 10:10 PM	#156
Riff Magnum Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2008 Location:The Island Blu-ray collection:149	Oh yeah, we were also fascinated with that nasty ass dog with the blood on it's backside that seems to be featured in many of the "boys at play" scenes throughout the neighborhood. It seems perfect to me that a dog like that would be hanging around. It also seemed there was something peculiar about one of the "bad" boys they hung around with. Like he was extra evil or something. Anyone remember the boy i mean? "It's an experiment!!!"

08-12-2011, 07:19 PM	#160
TYSONvsCHANNING Member Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Pennsylvania Blu-ray collection:160 Blu-ray reviews:2	I would love to see The Game on Criterion blu. I think it's an underrated film but not among Fincher's best. But there is no such thing as a bad David Fincher film. I somehow doubt that this is going to be released in October. As long as Criterion distributes it, I could wait until Christmas time.

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