Close Encounters of the Third Kind 4K UHD (1977) (40th Anniversary Edition)

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's why I put the 65mm part in brackets, although from my last watch of the BD I don't remember the opticals looking as conspicuously grainy as the rest of the show. (Ghostbusters is very noticeable for this.) Spielberg was NOT a fan of 5247, he much preferred the 5254 he shot on Jaws.

Trumbull was indeed a big fan of fully finishing 65mm VFX in 65mm but the fact is that a 35mm reduction (with anamorphic squeeze) would HAVE to be carried out regardless in order to slug those shots into the true 35mm negative, something that Trumbull wouldn't usually carry out in his own facility. When Dick Edlund took over EEG/Boss he pursued 65mm to 35mm optical printing in-house instead of carrying the 65mm all the way through to finished negative as Trumbull did. (Without that we wouldn't have had the VFX for Blade Runner Final Cut restored from the 65mm originals, however.)

It's a tad grainy when the UFO s descend out of the clouds about to abduct Barry. It seems odd that the image would be downgraded to standard 35mm when Columbia knew full well they were releasing this in 70mm - it was the first movie to be released in 'baby boom' 6-track sound both sound and image should have been top notch

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

It's a tad grainy when the UFO s descend out of the clouds about to abduct Barry. It seems odd that the image would be downgraded to standard 35mm when Columbia knew full well they were releasing this in 70mm - it was the first movie to be released in 'baby boom' 6-track sound both sound and image should have been top notch

I'm not understanding your point. When the movie is viewed in/transferred from 35mm then the VFX will already have been blown down from 65mm and integrated into that negative. This was standard practice, and the same would've applied to Blade Runner's restoration had it been transferred entirely from the original 35mm conformed neg.

Trumbull was an outlier in that he kept the large format VFX in that format all the way through to completion, but do we actually know whether or not they cut the 65mm VFX into the 65mm negative on CE3K, or otherwise kept the 65mm comps safe?

[Dubstar]

My point being the 70mm masterprint retaining the VFX shots at their highest quality with the 35mm film stock elements being boosted NOT the other way around

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Ehhh - Im not sure if the "upgrade" will be worth it. Isnt it just another "rescan" thats not really 4K?

Great film but Ill stick with my excellent standard blu-ray edition.

If it's a 4k scan, then it's true 4k. 4k scans can look noticeably better from 2k scans, if everything else is done correctly along the way. Of course HDR could potentially be an issue with these older titles. I don't think there's nearly enough info out there yet to know if the HDR on these older films will be a good thing or a bad thing.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

My point being the 70mm masterprint retaining the VFX shots at their highest quality with the 35mm film stock elements being boosted NOT the other way around

Oh. But why does that matter 40 years down the line? We're not going to be watching a 70mm print on this 4K edition. I'd be more interested in finding out if the 65mm VFX was located by Sony and used for the 4K transfer a la Blade Runner.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh. But why does that matter 40 years down the line? We're not going to be watching a 70mm print on this 4K edition. I'd be more interested in finding out if the 65mm VFX was located by Sony and used for the 4K transfer a la Blade Runner.

Yes - that'd be most ideal

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Ehhh - Im not sure if the "upgrade" will be worth it. Isnt it just another "rescan" thats not really 4K?

Great film but Ill stick with my excellent standard blu-ray edition.

What does that actually mean, mikey? That you think it'll be an upscale, or something else? I ask because when Sony remaster a 35mm catalogue title it's usually a guarantee of a true 4K transfer e.g. Labyrinth, Ghostbusters I & II, Crouching Tiger and a boatload more which have yet to be released on UHD disc.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

When Dick Edlund took over EEG/Boss he pursued 65mm to 35mm optical printing in-house instead of carrying the 65mm all the way through to finished negative as Trumbull did.

Richard Edlund formed Boss Film Studios when he split off from ILM and started FX work for Ghostbusters and 2010. He took over EEG facilities in the way Apogee took over ILM's warehouse location & some equipment after Star Wars. I don't recall any staff staying on though.

[Geoff D]

Trumbull certainly didn't.

[El_Burro]

out 28.09 in Germany with Dobly Atmos!

http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...d-blu-ray-disc

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by El_Burro

out 28.09 in Germany with Dobly Atmos!

http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...d-blu-ray-disc

That should have been the 3D sound mixing technology used for the Harry Potter universe's movie theaters...

Dobly Atmos!

[tenia]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

TBH the use of a BD100 will make far more difference to how the movie looks than any number of bit depth/chroma subsampling/HDR related shenanigans. All that grain shot on 5247 (with 65mm VFX) needs to be treated with the respect it deserves.

Not a trick question, just a curious technical one :

Isn't x265 already efficient enough for that or does these encodes REALLY need this extra push too ? I mean, Close Encounters isn't a very long movie and it seems to me that x265 and BD-66 can already achieved quite a lot.

Not saying "as much as possible can be too much", I'm just curious as to where is perceived the current limit to be.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by tenia

Not a trick question, just a curious technical one :

Isn't x265 already efficient enough for that or does these encodes REALLY need this extra push too ? I mean, Close Encounters isn't a very long movie and it seems to me that x265 and BD-66 can already achieved quite a lot.

Not saying "as much as possible can be too much", I'm just curious as to where is perceived the current limit to be.

It's more a combination of factors, not just me fanboying out on a 100GB disc for the sake of it.

If you give a super grainy movie like this a clear run at a 66GB disc with no branching and minimal alternative language options then I'd be fine with that, but if we are indeed getting all three versions like before plus Atmos (which itself takes up a good chunk of space) plus foreign audio then that will all eat into the available disc space. I lauded Ghostbusters in that thread but I do think the encode on the 66GB disc isn't as good as it could possibly be, and the extra 12 Dolby Digital 5.1 language tracks @ 640 kb/s each (totalling, what, well over 7 Mb/s?) aren't helping.

I don't think CE3K will come with anything like that number of language options but still, the branching will do its own bit to whittle down the available space for the main feature. 100GB will give peace of mind that it will look as good as it possibly can given UHD's current limits.

[Trekkie313]

Yes, Dolby!

Wonder what Spielberg's thoughts are since he loves shilling DTS.

[BenjaminG]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

Yes, Dolby!

Wonder what Spielberg's thoughts are since he loves shilling DTS.

Doubt he cares much. Im quite sure he had a stake in the company back in the day.

[Viking61]

VideoETA has this now listed with release date September 5. UPC 043396496941. Includes 3 Discs.

http://videoeta.com/movie/products.html?id=104

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Viking61

VideoETA has this now listed with release date September 5. UPC 043396496941. Includes 3 Discs.

http://videoeta.com/movie/products.html?id=104

I would assume disc 1 is the movie, disc 2 contains the extras, and disc 3 is a regular Blu-ray of the movie.

Hopefully, this has a 12 bit Dolby Vision encode.

[chuffster]

Originally Posted by El_Burro

out 28.09 in Germany with Dobly Atmos!

http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...d-blu-ray-disc

Someone's a fan of 'This Is Spinal Tap'

[afr52]

Originally Posted by El_Burro

out 28.09 in Germany with Dobly Atmos!

http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...d-blu-ray-disc

I hope they got the disc size info wrong. They're showing a 66 GB disc in the info when a 100 GB disc would be much more appropriate. So hoping for a Dolby Vision to accompany the Dolby Atmos soundtrack. September seems so far off now...

[Pieter V]