Amazon Blu-ray vs. HD DVD wars - Page 8 - Blu-ray Forum

phloyd · 01-10-2007, 04:27 AM

Did they ever mean anything?

dialog_gvf · 01-10-2007, 04:47 AM

I still have no idea what they really mean. But, we can assume they can at least be used to show relative sales between the two formats.

HD DVD obviously was leading BD in sales three months ago. And the chart numbers were ~6000 to ~600. Now they are even. So, we can conclude that something about sales is now equal, when it wasn't.

And the critical point was that HD DVD fans kept pointing to the charts as proof. And that brought them to my attention. But, the first time I saw it, I also saw the trend line. At that point fanboys figured they could claim a logarithmic result, that small changes in BD sales would lead the large swing at the high rank numbers, but that BD would plateau well below the king format.

Naturally, all they want to talk about now is how some people ridiculed the charts before. As if that somehow now makes the CHARTS suspect. Is that what it now comes down to? People shouldn't buy BD because some person on a board flipflopped on some data?

Truelly sad.

Gary

Dave · 01-10-2007, 05:14 AM

People, we are on the edge. Forget local stores for a moment and buy all your BD movies from amazon.com (just like the several hd dvd fans are doing it!)

phloyd · 01-10-2007, 07:21 AM

I have always said the averages are meaningless so I will stick with that

That said, the #1 HD disc does sell more than the #2 etc.

So, there is some validity at least in the 'top 10' list.

Also, count me in on watching HD DVD supporters squirm as the numbers flip over regardless since they did claim that they are meaningful

Dave Mack · 01-10-2007, 07:51 AM

I just bought my first 3...

GoldenRedux · 01-10-2007, 02:05 PM

Well, count me in as one who helped the numbers flip, as I've been purchasing and pre-ordering nearly all of my BDs from Amazon taking advantage of their 10% off HD deal.

Iceman_II · 01-10-2007, 02:35 PM

Seeing the way Amazon has stood up as fanboys of HD-DVD, why would anyone buy from them? At this point does it really matter what their rankings are? Besides, even with the 10% discount, they aren't that competitively priced when you compare them to www.deepdiscountdvd.com and factor in the free shipping.

GoldenRedux · 01-10-2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman_II

Seeing the way Amazon has stood up as fanboys of HD-DVD, why would anyone buy from them? At this point does it really matter what their rankings are? Besides, even with the 10% discount, they aren't that competitively priced when you compare them to www.deepdiscountdvd.com and factor in the free shipping.

Well, I always use the free shipping option at Amazon as well. But don't get me wrong, I check around - Deepdiscount, CDUniverse, Buy- and always check to see if anyone will be cheaper through Google Checkout.

Besides, it gives me pleasure watching those HD DUD fanbois squirm and come up with excuses as the Amazon rankings flip over to the Blu side.

dialog_gvf · 01-10-2007, 08:08 PM

Another milestone at 2:30pm

Blu-ray: 659
HD DVD: 769

110 rank lead.
Lead since 11:30am (currently 4:00pm)
Also a lead in top 25.

Gary

Longshot · 01-10-2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Another milestone at 2:30pm

Blu-ray: 659
HD DVD: 769

110 rank lead.
Lead since 11:30am (currently 4:00pm)
Also a lead in top 25.

Gary

Gary,

How do you access this information?

Blubaru · 01-10-2007, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

Well, count me in as one who helped the numbers flip, as I've been purchasing and pre-ordering nearly all of my BDs from Amazon taking advantage of their 10% off HD deal.

Same with me

dialog_gvf · 01-10-2007, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longshot

Gary,

How do you access this information?

HD Game Database

A few weeks back they set themselves up as a competitor to thedvdwars. Their numbers are updated every half hour, and have various top N choices, and histories.

Gary

Blubaru · 01-10-2007, 08:39 PM

So Blu-ray is still down?

dialog_gvf · 01-10-2007, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blubaru

So Blu-ray is still down?

It's been ahead of HD DVD in the rankings for the top 10 since 11:30am today.

The next milestone will for it to appear above HD DVD averaged for a day, and hence actually show up on thedvdwars.com that way.

The trend line was clear. But, the post Xmas DVD buying blip seems to have moved up the crossover.

Gary

Iceman_II · 01-10-2007, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blubaru

So Blu-ray is still down?

Not sure, but I think lower is better, as in ranked #1, versus ranked #2

Blubaru · 01-10-2007, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman_II

Not sure, but I think lower is better, as in ranked #1, versus ranked #2

Like golf. Gotcha

MrVandelay · 01-10-2007, 09:35 PM

It has reversed back...Sales fell below HD-DVD again around 4ish

dialog_gvf · 01-10-2007, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrVandelay

It has reversed back...Sales fell below HD-DVD again around 4ish

Yes. The moment you point out something is when it changes.

Still. Very close. Just wait until the missing WB and all those new BD exclusive titles go pre-order.

Gary

EDIT: Back on top. I expect there will be quite a lot of switching back and forth before BD takes over permanently.

dialog_gvf · 01-11-2007, 02:19 PM

Possible D-Day:

Today

Blu-ray ahead all day in top 10, and the gap is widening.
Blu-ray ahead in top 10, 25, 50 and 100 (nowhere to hide)

Crank could crack the top 100.

EDIT: Fixed the link

Chris Beveridge · 01-11-2007, 02:38 PM

Your link is borked.

An interesting exercise I hadn't done till yet though, is to go to the intended site and do their full on list of all 340 titles. Look at what titles are "scraping the bottom of the barrel" so to speak on each format.

It'd be useful to have them separate out released titles and preorders as well. I'd like to see the top ten preorders and top ten released titles for each.

01-11-2007, 02:19 PM	#159
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	Possible D-Day: Today Blu-ray ahead all day in top 10, and the gap is widening. Blu-ray ahead in top 10, 25, 50 and 100 (nowhere to hide) Crank could crack the top 100. EDIT: Fixed the link Last edited by dialog_gvf; 01-11-2007 at 04:04 PM.

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01-10-2007, 04:27 AM	#141
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	Did they ever mean anything?

01-10-2007, 04:47 AM	#142
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	I still have no idea what they really mean. But, we can assume they can at least be used to show relative sales between the two formats. HD DVD obviously was leading BD in sales three months ago. And the chart numbers were ~6000 to ~600. Now they are even. So, we can conclude that something about sales is now equal, when it wasn't. And the critical point was that HD DVD fans kept pointing to the charts as proof. And that brought them to my attention. But, the first time I saw it, I also saw the trend line. At that point fanboys figured they could claim a logarithmic result, that small changes in BD sales would lead the large swing at the high rank numbers, but that BD would plateau well below the king format. Naturally, all they want to talk about now is how some people ridiculed the charts before. As if that somehow now makes the CHARTS suspect. Is that what it now comes down to? People shouldn't buy BD because some person on a board flipflopped on some data? Truelly sad. Gary

01-10-2007, 05:14 AM	#143
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	People, we are on the edge. Forget local stores for a moment and buy all your BD movies from amazon.com (just like the several hd dvd fans are doing it!)

01-10-2007, 07:21 AM	#144
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	I have always said the averages are meaningless so I will stick with that That said, the #1 HD disc does sell more than the #2 etc. So, there is some validity at least in the 'top 10' list. Also, count me in on watching HD DVD supporters squirm as the numbers flip over regardless since they did claim that they are meaningful

01-10-2007, 07:51 AM	#145
Dave Mack Active Member Member since:Jan 2007	I just bought my first 3...

01-10-2007, 02:05 PM	#146
GoldenRedux Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	Well, count me in as one who helped the numbers flip, as I've been purchasing and pre-ordering nearly all of my BDs from Amazon taking advantage of their 10% off HD deal.

01-10-2007, 02:35 PM	#147
Iceman_II Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Ft. Worth Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:308 Blu-ray reviews: 4	Seeing the way Amazon has stood up as fanboys of HD-DVD, why would anyone buy from them? At this point does it really matter what their rankings are? Besides, even with the 10% discount, they aren't that competitively priced when you compare them to www.deepdiscountdvd.com and factor in the free shipping.

01-10-2007, 08:08 PM	#149
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	Another milestone at 2:30pm Blu-ray: 659 HD DVD: 769 110 rank lead. Lead since 11:30am (currently 4:00pm) Also a lead in top 25. Gary

01-10-2007, 08:39 PM	#153
Blubaru Expert Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Tonight! you!	So Blu-ray is still down?

01-10-2007, 09:35 PM	#157
MrVandelay Junior Member Member since:Dec 2006	It has reversed back...Sales fell below HD-DVD again around 4ish

01-11-2007, 02:38 PM	#160
Chris Beveridge Moderator Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Hudson, MA Blu-ray reviews:3	Your link is borked. An interesting exercise I hadn't done till yet though, is to go to the intended site and do their full on list of all 340 titles. Look at what titles are "scraping the bottom of the barrel" so to speak on each format. It'd be useful to have them separate out released titles and preorders as well. I'd like to see the top ten preorders and top ten released titles for each.

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