Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[The_Donster]

The problem is you pick out sound bites that work toward your agenda and post them without checking the facts first. So, who here really has the short attention span? The millennials or you, Steedeel?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

The problem is you pick out sound bites that work toward your agenda and post them without checking the facts first. So, who here really has the short attention span? The millennials or you, Steedeel?

It was t a sound bite, it was a statistic from Nielson.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It was t a sound bite, it was a statistic from Nielson.

It was also a disputed statistic by Netflix itself. Neilsen only tracks TV viewership; Netflix is viewed via many devices, not just TVs, and hence why they are contesting that statistic.

Is this really that hard for you to comprehend? Put down your damn phone and really try to concentrate here.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It was also a disputed statistic by Netflix itself. Neilsen only tracks TV viewership; Netflix is viewed via many devices, not just TVs, and hence why they are contesting that statistic.

Is this really that hard for you to comprehend? Put down your damn phone and really try to concentrate here.

And? Why would 1.35 million people on mass, watch that one particular episode on mobile?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It was also a disputed statistic by Netflix itself. Neilsen only tracks TV viewership; Netflix is viewed via many devices, not just TVs, and hence why they are contesting that statistic.

Is this really that hard for you to comprehend? Put down your damn phone and really try to concentrate here.

I’m on my IPad Pro not phone.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

And? Why would 1.35 million people on mass, watch that one particular episode on mobile?

I never said that they did nor is it even the point. All that statistic really shows is that 1.3X million fewer people watched that episode with their TV. That is all that Neilsen measures.

Some may have chosen to watch it on their phones, their tablets, their desktops, their projectors, or even in groups with any device that Neilsen did not, or could not, accurately measure.

Only Netflix knows how many times that episode was played and even that does not reveal how many people were present to watch any given playback of it. 1 person could have been in the room or a dozen; they would have no way of knowing. The bottom line is that Netflix has openly contested Neilsen's statistic.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Clearly with only those who agree with you

Not at all, not at all.

[quirkmanly]

Ok - so I've trimmed out a good deal of the back and forth from yesterday, with any posts that contained personal digs, nicknames or general silliness being culled. Unfortunately that means a few posts with pertinent content have been lost, but I really don't have the time to pick out the good parts of sour posts. Anyhow, going forward can we keep the discussion of each other civil and to a minimum, but that isn't to say the thread should be devoid of some healthy banter. Have fun.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by quirkmanly

Ok - so I've trimmed out a good deal of the back and forth from yesterday, with any posts that contained personal digs, nicknames or general silliness being culled. Unfortunately that means a few posts with pertinent content have been lost, but I really don't have the time to pick out the good parts of sour posts. Anyhow, going forward can we keep the discussion of each other civil and to a minimum, but that isn't to say the thread should be devoid of some healthy banter. Have fun.

Thanks for that.

[PenguinInfinity]

More censorship of digital:

https://tvline.com/2019/07/15/13-rea...moved-netflix/

Fortunately they can't edit any of the DVDs they've already released.

[The_Donster]

^^Yeah, but it is understandable and they could recall the existing discs for censored ones. Most of us are old enough to remember Body Counts cd being removed from stores due to the controversy or their song. Cop Killer. So censorship isn’t solely a digital concern.

[The_Donster]

No, like that cd back in the day, it would just drive up the secondary market price wherever it can be found. Although we didn’t have eBay, Amazon, etc and had to get it from a record store. Those who were crazy times

[The_Donster]

Eh, is it, or is it that it supports your point of view? I’m sure someone else could equally come up with ways physical has been altered or censored. I know there are plenty of people in multiple threads that bemoan because the original music or look was altered. For me, censorship, whether it is digital or physical is bad. No matter the well intentions behind them.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Eh, is it, or is it that it supports your point of view? I’m sure someone else could equally come up with ways physical has been altered or censored. I know there are plenty of people in multiple threads that bemoan because the original music or look was altered. For me, censorship, whether it is digital or physical is bad. No matter the well intentions behind them.

A physical copy can't be altered after it has been released. When scenes are removed, music is changed, or the look is altered it only affects newly printed discs, not the discs that have already been bought. No one can ever complain that the discs they already own have been changed.

It is impossible to censor existing physical copies, but easy to censor existing digital copies.

[The_Donster]

Sure they can. That’s one of the reason why forums like this exist. To give people an outlet to express their (dis)pleasure on whatever subject.

[Steedeel]

It’s wrong full stop (or period as you guys say).

Art should be expressed in its full state.

[The_Donster]

I’m happy for you Hopefully Netflix puts the increased physical sales towards suicide awareness

[Vilya]

I am glad to see that the thread has been reopened; for awhile late last night it looked as if the thread had been permanently deleted. During that time, my total post count dropped sharply reflecting its absence. I was surprised by just how much of my total post activity was in this thread alone, about 40%. I need to spread my wings and post in a wider range of topics going forward. I can't limit so much of my glowing prose to this thread alone!

I am no fan of censorship, no matter how good the intentions are behind it. Life inherently carries the risk of being offended. When I encounter content that I deem to be in poor taste, I respond by choosing the action that is best for me; I can skip the offensive part, grin and bear it, or jettison the entire program, but I would never expect my choice to be forced upon anyone else.

Herein lies one of the single biggest reasons why I am a staunch supporter of physical media. The content I purchase on disc can not be retroactively altered to accommodate the ever changing "etch-a-sketch" community standards of what is deemed appropriate at any given moment. Censoring digital content is too easy to do and it happens far too often. Even if the quality of digital streamed content ever equaled that of the corresponding disc format, I would still not buy it for the above reasons alone. I expect my purchases to remain unchanged in their content, today and tomorrow, and I resolutely reject digital purchases because changes can be made to such content at will.

[The_Donster]

Yes, but how many movies, and to a lesser extent, shows released altered from how they originally were? Sure, you are correct, nothing can be altered after your purchase, but to be fair, this is a show that is streaming and not a digital copy per say. It is more inline with a cable series. And before you start, I know that people claim their digital copies have been altered. I can tell you one of the reasons I stopped solely redeeming in iTunes is because they wouldn’t give me my unrated version of Bridesmaids when my computer got wiped

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am glad to see that the thread has been reopened; for awhile late last night it looked as if the thread had been permanently deleted. During that time, my total post count dropped sharply reflecting its absence. I was surprised by just how much of my total post activity was in this thread alone, about 40%. I need to spread my wings and post in a wider range of topics going forward. I can't limit so much of my glowing prose to this thread alone!

I am no fan of censorship, no matter how good the intentions are behind it. Life inherently carries the risk of being offended. When I encounter content that I deem to be in poor taste, I respond by choosing the action that is best for me, I can skip the offensive part, grin and bear it, or jettison the entire program, but I would never expect my choice to be forced upon anyone else.

Herein lies one of the single biggest reasons why I am a staunch supporter of physical media. The content I purchase on disc can not be retroactively altered to accommodate the ever changing "etch-a-sketch" community standards of what is appropriate. Censoring digital content is too easy to do and it happens far too often. Even if the quality of digital streamed content ever equaled that of the corresponding disc format, I would still not buy it for the above reasons alone. I expect my purchases to remain unchangeable in their content and I resolutely reject that changes can be made to digital content at will.

I asked the moderator if he could unlock it last night. He was having issues deleting posts because of the slow loading pages that have been a issue for us all over the last few days. He was true to his word and sorted it this morning.