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I'm not talking about that. I said the people "ready to savage."
If the movie sucks then all bets are off.
And, for everyone criticizing it for being "fan service," what's so wrong with pleasing people? Granted, you should try and do something new but, then again, how many films do that nowadays? All we get are remakes, sequels and comic book movies. VERY LITTLE originality left in Hollywood. I'd rather a sequel be made that is good and panders to fans than something crappy that does or doesn't pander to fans. Pandering, in and of itself, isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Agreed. It's a stupid argument. Doing a Star Wars movie PERIOD is "fan service" because 1.) Fans want it and 2.) They're willing to pay money to see it (durrrr!)
Having Han, Luke and Leia in the new film that is a continuation of the Star Wars saga is not fan service.
Fan service is adding Boba Fett to A New Hope and having him stop walking and stare directly into the camera. I am still surprised Lucas didn't have him throw up devil horns.
Having Han, Luke and Leia in the new film that is a continuation of the Star Wars saga is not fan service.
Fan service is adding Boba Fett to A New Hope and having him stop walking and stare directly into the camera. I am still surprised Lucas didn't have him throw up devil horns.
That was actually George Lucas next planned change for the next iteration of the Blu-Ray set, lucky for us that Disney purchased the franchise and we will never have to see it!
Well my limited Star Wars: The Force Awakens collection is complete. I ended up buying a Kylo Ren lightsaber and a Force Awakens T-Shirt today at Target.
LUCASFILM rendered the EU non-canon. Disney didn't...good lord, people, you think someone like Alan Horn or Bob Iger spends their time - with all they have to supervise - flipping through Thrawn novels or Splinter of the Mind's Eye or Marvel Comics or obscure character guides or video games and deciding what is or isn't SW canon?
No. LucasFilm is in charge of all of that, and it would have happened without the Disney acquisition.
How many times do we we have to go through this?
Ummm, yes LucasFilm made the decision, because it was "their" decision, AFTER Disney aquired LucasFilm...so, um, yeah...you're wrong
They Un-Cannonized everything to make sure THEY could tell the story. So people wouldn't be waiting for Jacen, Jaina, Thrawn, etc...
If Disney doesn't buy LucasFilm, there is no Episode VII, no Episode VII, no reason to Un-Cannonize the EU.
So you can get exasperated all you want, but the reason is because of Disney, hidden under the mask of LucasFilm to make sure that they didn't immediately alienate the fans they just acquired...they weren't worried about alienating LucasFilm fans. If the prequel trilogy didn't do it, nothing would.
If you really believe that Star Wars is original, then I really hope that you watch Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress some time soon.
Don't get me wrong: This isn't a criticism of either the film or of Lucas. I mean, if you are going to steal, you might as steal from one of the best. But how anyone who has seen HF and SW can think that SW is original is completely beyond me. I mean, for crying out loud there are even CP3O and R2D2 characters in HF!
I have...many times. It is VERY LOOSELY INSPIRED by parts of some scenes in The Hidden Fortress, so don't get all high-brow on us.
Maybe I missed Mifune's lightsaber...wait, yeah you know the guy who was protecting the princess...wait...in Star Wars they had to rescue the princess for more than 3/4ths of the movie...that's not the same
I thought they were the same? YOU SAID THEY WERE THE SAME!!! I'm so confused...
Ummm, yes LucasFilm made the decision, because it was "their" decision, AFTER Disney aquired LucasFilm...so, um, yeah...you're wrong
They Un-Cannonized everything to make sure THEY could tell the story. So people wouldn't be waiting for Jacen, Jaina, Thrawn, etc...
If Disney doesn't buy LucasFilm, there is no Episode VII, no Episode VII, no reason to Un-Cannonize the EU.
So you can get exasperated all you want, but the reason is because of Disney, hidden under the mask of LucasFilm to make sure that they didn't immediately alienate the fans they just acquired...they weren't worried about alienating LucasFilm fans. If the prequel trilogy didn't do it, nothing would.
There will be a new trilogy even if Disney doesn't buy Lucasfilm. Lucas told Mark and Carrie to get ready for it months before the acquisition. Back in 2009 an insider revealed to MarketSaw about it being in the pipeline. Even the spin-offs were actually Lucas' idea before Disney.
There will be a new trilogy even if Disney doesn't buy Lucasfilm. Lucas told Mark and Carrie to get ready for it months before the acquisition. Back in 2009 an insider revealed to MarketSaw about it being in the pipeline. Even the spin-offs were actually Lucas' idea before Disney.
So months before a major billion dollar acquisition Lucas knew more movies were going to be made? Of course he did. They were likely in talks about that deal for months if not a year, that doesn't happen overnight...LucasFilm is now gearing up for the release of Episode VII...
Lucas himself was quoted many times saying he was done. Star Wars was over if not for Disney, he wasn't going to do any more. If he were, he wouldn't have sold it to Disney as another trilogy and spin-offs would have made him a lot of money...
Ummm, yes LucasFilm made the decision, because it was "their" decision, AFTER Disney aquired LucasFilm...so, um, yeah...you're wrong
They Un-Cannonized everything to make sure THEY could tell the story. So people wouldn't be waiting for Jacen, Jaina, Thrawn, etc...
If Disney doesn't buy LucasFilm, there is no Episode VII, no Episode VII, no reason to Un-Cannonize the EU.
So you can get exasperated all you want, but the reason is because of Disney, hidden under the mask of LucasFilm to make sure that they didn't immediately alienate the fans they just acquired...they weren't worried about alienating LucasFilm fans. If the prequel trilogy didn't do it, nothing would.
LUCAS WAS MAKING EPISODE 7 WHEN DISNEY BOUGHT THEM.
It is why he hired Kathleen Kennedy to oversea the company and making them. He has said this.
The EU was always going to be wiped out but if Lucas had been in charge I feel like they would have just wiped out the post rotj eu and left the rest alone.
So months before a major billion dollar acquisition Lucas knew more movies were going to be made? Of course he did. They were likely in talks about that deal for months if not a year, that doesn't happen overnight...LucasFilm is now gearing up for the release of Episode VII...
Lucas himself was quoted many times saying he was done. Star Wars was over if not for Disney, he wasn't going to do any more. If he were, he wouldn't have sold it to Disney as another trilogy and spin-offs would have made him a lot of money...
In a corporate world it is common to deny a project until a proper announcement was made, all part of business strategy practices. That is the reason we always have "insider reports" about unannounced projects because they're supposed to be internal confidential information.
Lucas realized it would be a very daunting task for him to do the new trilogy at his age. Lucas did talk to Bob Iger in May 2011 about him retiring, but it were never discussed again until another year. Before Lucas called Iger back to initiate the sale in early June 2012, Michael Arndt (to write Episode VII) and Lawrence Kasdan (as consultant) were already hired (only officially announced after the sale of course). Serious negotiations took only 5 months until they finalized and signed the papers on October 30, and then the final (3) transactions were done in just 2 days. The fact that Lucasfilm was already making the new trilogy was one of the selling points.
There are a lot of lengthy articles from business publishers that details the Lucasfilm sale to Disney online.
How many are big Hollywood films that most people here go to see?
Think back to the movies that WERE popular in the 70's-90's. At least they were original stories.
I find myself going to more art-house flicks nowadays than big budget films. They end up being disappointing.
As I've already posted in various threads many times, Hollywood ALWAYS made sequels, reboots and remakes. They didn't always make comic book movies because superheros didn't really come about until 1938 with Superman and 1939 with Batman.
Here are excerpts from previous posts I've made on the subject:
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Many early sound films were remakes of silents. There was a silent Wizard of Oz, Tarzan and Frankenstein, among many others. There was a silent "The Ten Commandments" as well before it was remade in 1956 and I suppose one could consider the most recent version a reboot.
People think reboots and franchises are something recent, but they've existed all throughout film history. Tarzan, Lassie, Rin-Tin-Tin, The Marx Brothers, The Thin Man, the 1930s-40s Universal horror films and their sequels, Abbott & Costello, the Hammer horror film remakes of the 1960s, Charlie Chan, etc., etc. The "Hunchback of Notre Dame" has been made at least three times with Lon Chaney (1923), Charles Laughton (1939) and Anthony Quinn (1956). There was also a 1982 TV movie version with Anthony Hopkins and then the Disney cartoon.
Not to mention theatrical serials. There was a "Batman" 15-part serial released in 1943 and a sequel, "Batman & Robin" released in 1949. The original "Batman" serial was re-released in 1965 and marketed as a "so bad, it's hip" kind of thing. But its success supposedly led to the 1960s TV show being developed. And there was Flash Gordon and a zillion others.
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From the 1930s through the 1950s, there were many remakes of silent films, such as The Ten Commandments, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Mutiny On The Bounty, The Prisoner of Zenda, etc.
There were plenty of film franchises in the 1930s and 1940s: Tarzan, the Universal horror films, Sherlock Holmes, The Dead End Kids/East Side Kids/Bowery Boys, Dr. Kildare, Andy Hardy, Blondie, Red Ryder, Hopalong Cassidy, Abbott & Costello and many others.
And in the 50s and 60s, we had Jungle Jim, the beginnings of James Bond, the many Hammer horror films which either were reboots of the Universal horror films of the 30s and 40s or based on the works of Edgar Allan Poe, the Beach Blanket Bingo movies, Gidget, Godzilla, etc.
Across many decades there was Boston Blackie, Rin Tin Tin, The Lone Wolf, Bulldog Drummond, Laurel & Hardy, Cisco Kid, Godzilla, and Charlie Chan, just to name a few.
What's happening now with all these big action and comic book films is not really different than the "cast of thousands" films we saw in the 1950s and 60s (although many of those films had biblical themes). The idea is to get people in the theatre for an experience that they can't have at home. That's what LieMax, AMC Prime, RPX and other large screen formats, 3D and immersive audio is about, even though that can be partially implemented at home. The problem today is that the nature of the business has changed and Hollywood really isn't interested in films that can't do $100 million domestically. The other issue is that the international market is now bigger than the domestic market and pretty soon, China alone will have bigger box-office than the domestic market and the films getting financing and getting made have to serve those markets. That severely limits the types of films that get made which is why many feel that the real quality today is happening on television and the web. The types of people who used to go to the movies all the time don't exist anymore. Today it's largely about the lowest common denominator and also about an ever-dumbed down culture. When a movie about Brian Wilson is considered an "art film", you know we're in some trouble.
But going to art houses to see independent and foreign films is great. I do that as well and always did. I remember in the 1960s and 70s going to see the Truffaut, Buñuel, Lina Wertmüller and other foreign films all the time. The problem is that the remaining art houses also play a lot of mainstream films. The other problem is that independent and foreign films are now streaming day-and-date with theatrical release (sometimes even before) and that will eventually mean that these films will disappear from theaters. Part of it is greed and part of the problem is chicken-and-egg.
Any news on the making of book, is J.W. Rinzler writing it? Can't wait to learn more about the scripting process, from George Lucas' outline to Michael Arndt's draft to Abrams/Kasdan's final screenplay.
How many are big Hollywood films that most people here go to see?
So wait...are you saying that all we get are remakes, sequels and comic book movies or all we see are remakes, sequels and comic book movies?
One of those isn't true and the other is squarely on us so I'm not sure why you're rolling your eyes.
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Think back to the movies that WERE popular in the 70's-90's. At least they were original stories.
And how many of those original stories were franchises or spawned franchises (many of which are still active four decades later)?
Bond, Dirty Harry, The Godfather, Planet of the Apes, Rocky, Star Wars...hell, The Bad News Bears and Herby the Love Bug spawned three or four sequels each.
And were disaster movies any more original or less formulaic than comic book movies?
I love the good ole days just as much as anybody but they weren't as different as people like to make them out to be.
Any news on the making of book, is J.W. Rinzler writing it? Can't wait to learn more about the scripting process, from George Lucas' outline to Michael Arndt's draft to Abrams/Kasdan's final screenplay.
A making of book is coming out on March 15th, according to both Amazon and Hachette Book Group (the publisher's distributor). The author is Mark Cotta Vaz.
A making of book is coming out on March 15th, according to both Amazon and Hachette Book Group (the publisher's distributor). The author is Mark Cotta Vaz.
March? That's a bit late! I know they want to keep the secrets unspoiled, but it was nice to get the Art of books before the films' release.
Ummm, yes LucasFilm made the decision, because it was "their" decision, AFTER Disney aquired LucasFilm...so, um, yeah...you're wrong
They Un-Cannonized everything to make sure THEY could tell the story. So people wouldn't be waiting for Jacen, Jaina, Thrawn, etc...
If Disney doesn't buy LucasFilm, there is no Episode VII, no Episode VII, no reason to Un-Cannonize the EU.
So you can get exasperated all you want, but the reason is because of Disney, hidden under the mask of LucasFilm to make sure that they didn't immediately alienate the fans they just acquired...they weren't worried about alienating LucasFilm fans. If the prequel trilogy didn't do it, nothing would.
HA, no. It's hard for long-term hard-core fans to process, but it's the truth. George is a 70 year old diabetic who wants to enjoy his final years. He was gearing up to make the next trilogy, realized he didn't want to spend his last years making the new films. He saw how Iger treated Pixar (which he still considers "his" company) and saw how Iger treated Marvel, so, like a Jedi, he decided to let things go and and move on. All of this was in the pipeline before he approached Iger about the sale. To free up the artists and move forward, Kennedy and LucasFilm needed to clean the slate and not restrict the creativity of the new artists.
All of this would have happened without the corporate parent. Disney didn't rebrand the EU, LucasFilm did and would have done it regardless. As for the people who even know who Jacen or Thrawn are in the first place, they still have those books and can read them whenever they want. Like the rest of the EU, they were never canon, they were officially-licensed fan fiction.
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