The Criterion Collection

[belcherman]

Originally Posted by oildude

Great list and post, like ticking off my favorite actors, detective movie or otherwise. As for the "etc", I would have to include Frank Sinatra and perennially world-weary and rumpled but always great Walter Matthau. Those two had some really awesome performances in the 60s and 70s as detectives.

Another guy I would add to the list would be Roy Scheider.

With all this talk of 60s and 70s detective movies, no one has brought up the blaxploitation movies. Movies like Shaft (and its sequels), Trouble Man, Cotton Comes to Harlem and its sequel Come Back, Charleston Blue, Across 110th Street, and Truck Turner were proving that the tough guy detective/cop/vigilante was alive and well on the other side of town. And in some of them, such as Coffy, Foxy Brown and Sheba Baby, the tough guy was a tough woman.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by belcherman

With all this talk of 60s and 70s detective movies, no one has brought up the blaxploitation movies. Movies like Shaft (and its sequels), Trouble Man, Cotton Comes to Harlem and its sequel Come Back, Charleston Blue, Across 110th Street, and Truck Turner were proving that the tough guy detective/cop/vigilante was alive and well on the other side of town. And in some of them, such as Coffy, Foxy Brown and Sheba Baby, the tough guy was a tough woman.

I own most of these and love them. I mentioned Shaft on my detective list, but I should have also listed Across 110th Street, which is actually a better movie.

[dancerslegs]

Originally Posted by iScottie

I don't know what else to call The Manchurian Candidate except a thriller.

The original Manchurian Candidate is a wickedly-witty political satire within a thriller framework.

[malakaheso]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I own most of these and love them. I mentioned Shaft on my detective list, but I should have also listed Across 110th Street, which is actually a better movie.

They are good films, but I guess I'm too snobby to take them seriously as 'great cinema'.

Re: Mad Max Fury Road. I must have been one of the few on here that didn't rate it all that highly.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by malakaheso

They are good films, but I guess I'm too snobby to take them seriously as 'great cinema'.

Re: Mad Max Fury Road. I must have been one of the few on here that didn't rate it all that highly.

Im in the group with you on Fury Road. I couldn't even finish it.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by malakaheso

They are good films, but I guess I'm too snobby to take them seriously as 'great cinema'.

Re: Mad Max Fury Road. I must have been one of the few on here that didn't rate it all that highly.

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Im in the group with you on Fury Road. I couldn't even finish it.

I finished it, but was pretty bored throughout. I had no investment in the characters or the plot, and a lot of images just seemed silly to me.

I will say that I had no trouble with the cast, however.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

I finished it, but was pretty bored throughout. I had no investment in the characters or the plot, and a lot of images just seemed silly to me.

I will say that I had no trouble with the cast, however.

Yeah pretty much how I felt about it. I also didn't like the way it was shot like Miller was using some "sped up" shooting technique to make it more intense I guess? I found it annoying as hell.

Also after seeing Mel Gibson's latest awesome thriller Blood Father I could easily have seen him return as Max (but the film probably would've been boycotted because he was in it) so Hardy came off as miscast to me. I love Tom Hardy in other films though.

The script was terrible too but Im not going near that topic at all.

[senseabove]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Also after seeing Mel Gibson's latest awesome thriller Blood Father I could easily have seen him return as Max (but the film probably would've been boycotted because he was in it)...

His latest film was up for the best picture Oscar... Don't think he's getting boycotted much anymore.




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[malakaheso]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Yeah pretty much how I felt about it. I also didn't like the way it was shot like Miller was using some "sped up" shooting technique to make it more intense I guess? I found it annoying as hell.

Too much digital correction for my taste too.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by senseabove

His latest film was up for the best picture Oscar... Don't think he's getting boycotted much anymore.




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That's true. I still haven't seen that yet but hopefully its a new start for him.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by malakaheso

Too much digital correction for my taste too.

Yeah way too much

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by malakaheso

Too much digital correction for my taste too.

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Yeah way too much

LOL! See, without knowing a lot about this sort of stuff, I just figured the film looked that way on purpose, as a stylistic choice. Sort of how a found-footage film is made to look like it was shot on video tape, or something like that.

[mande2013]

Originally Posted by malakaheso

They are good films, but I guess I'm too snobby to take them seriously as 'great cinema'.

Re: Mad Max Fury Road. I must have been one of the few on here that didn't rate it all that highly.

Define 'great cinema'.

[malakaheso]

Originally Posted by mande2013

Define 'great cinema'.

Anything French

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by malakaheso

Anything French

...I got to admit though, Mad Max: Fury Road probably feels like a cheeseburger next to French cuisine.

[cakefactory]

With this discussion of recent movies and Mad Max FR, I thought people were talking about this new list of "25 best movies of the 21st century so far" from the New York Times. It's mostly foreign, small-scale films, but definitely has Mad Max Fury Road on it (as well it should!!).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...tury.html?_r=5

I THINK this is beyond their paywall, but I'm not sure. If so, for non-subscribers, I highly advise using one of your 10 free articles a month on it, as it has a ton of good material, but here is the actual list for those who don't have a subscription and already used up their 10 articles. It's not in any particular order.

There Will Be Blood
Spirited Away
Million Dollar Baby
A Touch of Sin (2013)
The Death of Mr. Lazarescu
Yi Yi
Inside Out
Boyhood
Summer Hours (2009)
The Hurt Locker
Inside Llewyn Davis
Timbuktu (2015)
In Jackson Heights
L'Enfant (2006)
White Material
Munich (the justification on this one is interesting)
Three Times (2006)
The Gleaners and I
Mad Max Fury Road
Moonlight
Wendy and Lucy
I'm Not There (2007)
Silent Light (2008)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The 40-Year-Old Virgin

The justifications/discussion on all of these is pretty lengthy and interesting. Obviously, they were trying to cover some genres that probably would have been excluded otherwise, hence the action, animated, and comedy films in there.

[Scottie]

The 40-Year-Old Virgin? lolwhat

[MifuneFan]

Fury Road and Moonlight? Hard to take that list serious.

[llj]

Originally Posted by iScottie

The 40-Year-Old Virgin? lolwhat

I almost think any comedy film would be taken as a "lolwhat". That said, I'm sure there have been better ones. Though I wouldn't be the best person to decide as I thoroughly enjoy lowbrow Adam Sander-esque comedy.

IMO Fury Road isn't as good as Mad Max 2, but I'm struggling to think of any big budget CG action movie of the past 7 years that was that much better than FR. I'm willing to hear suggestions, and I'd better not get a bunch of Nolan fanboys.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is interesting. I was one of the first people at the close of the 00s to suggest it was one of the 10 best American films of that decade but I haven't revisited it in many years. I almost dread going back to it because culturally things have changed so much and what felt unique at the time has now become a bunch of now-overused indie-hipster film cliches and tired character stereotypes. I also wonder if today's more hypersensitive young millennials would respond to its sexual politics as well as older millennials did back in 2004.

[DaBargainHunta]

I think it's a perfectly fine list.

Do I agree with everything? No.

Do a couple of the choices smack of compromise and voting by committee? Yes.

Are there going to be many, many omissions in a list of 25? Obviously.

With that said, if you actually read the article and don't just look at the list, they explain and justify their picks very well.

This is the more fun list anyway: Six Directors Pick Their Favorite Films of the 21st-Century

"Daddy's Home" is on that list.