Fantastic Four (2015)

[Comicman494]

Originally Posted by kemcha

That won't force Fox to return the franchise to Marvel as Fox would resist any attempts to do so. If the movie fails, Marvel could use the clause in their contract agreement with Fox to rescind their rights to the Fantastic Four property. I think the only reason such franchises as Ghost Rider and Daredevil were returned to Marvel was that Sony and Fox didn't want to waste time fighting over those franchises.

Daredevil returned because Fox's reboot never materialized in time. Joe Carnahan was actively working on it but they didn't get it together.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Comicman494

Daredevil returned because Fox's reboot never materialized in time. Joe Carnahan was actively working on it but they didn't get it together.

It still makes me sad we'll never see a proper sequel to the Director's Cut of the 2003 film, though. Ben Affleck kept putting it off, saying he'd never play another superhero, then Michael Clarke Duncan passed away too. Second only to "The Green Mile", I still think that cut of "Daredevil" was Mr. Duncan's best work, and it still is for Affleck in terms of acting. I'm hoping his version of Batman does well, though.

[Comicman494]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

It still makes me sad we'll never see a proper sequel to the Director's Cut of the 2003 film, though. Ben Affleck kept putting it off, saying he'd never play another superhero, then Michael Clarke Duncan passed away too. Second only to "The Green Mile", I still think that cut of "Daredevil" was Mr. Duncan's best work, and it still is for Affleck in terms of acting. I'm hoping his version of Batman does well, though.

MCD was absolutely perfect for Kingpin, I could never imagine anyone better suited to play the classic version of that character. I don't mind not getting a sequel, as I think it works quite well on its own. I'm excited to see a long form take on the character through Netflix, and in eager to see Batfleck in action.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

If enough people complain, the film will flop, and Fox will have no choice but to return the rights to Marvel. That's my hope, so the "first family of comics" can have a proper cinematic treatment.

You think complaining in this thread - a true circlejerk of hate if I've ever seen one - will have even a minor impact on this film's box office take? I would have understood if it was all a misguided effort to blow off steam but now it's just pitiable that you're entering delusional territory. Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted.

[Another_Dude]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

You think complaining in this thread - a true circlejerk of hate if I've ever seen one - will have even a minor impact onb this film's box office take? I would have understood if it was all a misguided effort to blow off steam but now it's just pitiable that you're entering delusional territory. Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted.

Have you? Have you seen a true circlejerk of hate? It impacts the meaning the the rest of your post if I know if you have been in the actual visual presence of a true circlejerk of hate.

I haven't been.

[kemcha]

Looks like Marvel has confirmed that the Fantastic Four comic series is coming to an end, due to the spiteful nature of one of their largest stockholders. While I understand the reasons for doing so, and that there are many factors involved in the cancellation of the series, I think that there's too much emphasis being placed on this idiotic stockholder and it's leaving a negative impression on Marvel Comics.

http://icv2.com/articles/news/29912.html

I had been reading about this stockholder (Ike Perlmutter), angry about the rights to Fantastic Four not reverting back to Marvel. The sales for the monthly comic have been low for Marvel and that it might have been one of the contributing factors, which the publisher might have used in an effort to possibly reboot the comic series in the near future. Marvel has halted its publication on Fantastic Four many times yet to hear the entertainment media talk about it, they seem to be blowing this whole matter out of proportion.

Last I checked, neither Marvel nor Disney, have said word one about their plans on the Fantastic Four film franchise. Just sounds like Ike Perlmutter is throwing a temper tantrum over the rights to the film franchise.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

You think complaining in this thread - a true circlejerk of hate if I've ever seen one - will have even a minor impact on this film's box office take? I would have understood if it was all a misguided effort to blow off steam but now it's just pitiable that you're entering delusional territory. Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted.

You honestly think the folks who make these movies don't pay attention to the fan community? In most cases, that's precisely how they gauge the overall quality of their creative decisions. Those who refuse to listen to the fans (as Mr. Trank and his bosses seem to be doing) often have their films flop at the box office.

[xander]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

You honestly think the folks who make these movies don't pay attention to the fan community? In most cases, that's precisely how they gauge the overall quality of their creative decisions. Those who refuse to listen to the fans (as Mr. Trank and his bosses seem to be doing) often have their films flop at the box office.

Michael Bay, George Lucas and many other directors are laughing at that....all the way to the bank.

[Darkstream]

One voice is nothing, but many voices speaking the same in unison around the internet can sometimes make a certain difference in the direction a studio takes with a project. Remember Shailene Woodley as Mary Jane in Amazing Spider-Man 2? Remember Warner Brothers cancelling the Tom & Jerry Golden Collection Volume 2? We may not get the results we'd all like, but voices can be heard and changes can be made as a result of it.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by xander

Michael Bay, George Lucas and many other directors are laughing at that....all the way to the bank.

Michael Bay's a hack surrounded by "yes men", whose main audience has consisted of hormonal young boys and little kids who value explosions over anything else. He hasn't done a worthwhile film since "Armageddon", and even that one's debatable.

As for Lucas, he listened to the fans with the prequels, but also stuck to his own guns. The main reason he sold his company was so he could have a personal life, and because people kept hurling personal insults and even death threats over the Blu-Ray releases. The difference between him with "Star Wars" and someone like Bay is simple: the latter's adapting someone else's work instead of their own.

[RicketyCricket]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

One voice is nothing, but many voices speaking the same in unison around the internet can sometimes make a certain difference in the direction a studio takes with a project. Remember Shailene Woodley as Mary Jane in Amazing Spider-Man 2? Remember Warner Brothers cancelling the Tom & Jerry Golden Collection Volume 2? We may not get the results we'd all like, but voices can be heard and changes can be made as a result of it.

If you really think the Internet message boards whining had anything to do with that, I'd like some of whatever drugs you're on.

[RicketyCricket]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

If enough people complain, the film will flop, and Fox will have no choice but to return the rights to Marvel.

How the hell do you figure that??? Fox will never let that happen, what movie studio would flush hundred of millions of dollars?

Just like Sony will never let the Spider-Man rights to lapse, Fox would never make such a boneheaded move. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the Internet doesn't like it. Money matters.

Don't be surprised if more films start taking the Transformers 4 route and blatantly pander to foreign audiences for a guaranteed hit.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by RicketyCricket

How the hell do you figure that??? Fox will never let that happen, what movie studio would flush hundred of millions of dollars?

Just like Sony will never let the Spider-Man rights to lapse, Fox would never make such a boneheaded move. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the Internet doesn't like it. Money matters.

If enough people complain, folks will refuse to see it around the world, and Fox's collective wallet will stay lighter.

Don't be surprised if more films start taking the Transformers 4 route and blatantly pander to foreign audiences for a guaranteed hit.

That's precisely what I'm afraid of.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

If enough people complain, folks will refuse to see it around the world, and Fox's collective wallet will stay lighter.

That's precisely what I'm afraid of.

and that's exactly what will happen. Big blockbusters are now being aimed at foreign audiences because the U.S. has gotten pretty tired of them

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by RicketyCricket

If you really think the Internet message boards whining had anything to do with that, I'd like some of whatever drugs you're on.

Yes, I do. The internet fanboy community tore her apart, because she looked nothing like MJ -- especially when a couple of less complimentary pictures were released of her without make-up behind the scenes. Then all the sudden, coincidently, the studio decided they weren't going to use her character in the film, not even to introduce the character in a cameo. I definitely think the internet played a factor.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by wormraper

and that's exactly what will happen. Big blockbusters are now being aimed at foreign audiences because the U.S. has gotten pretty tired of them

Not judging by the success of "The Winter Soldier", which earned almost $260 million domestically. "Guardians" earned $326 million domestically, beating out Cap by about 30%. There's still a big market for superhero films stateside.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Looks like Marvel has confirmed that the Fantastic Four comic series is coming to an end, due to the spiteful nature of one of their largest stockholders. While I understand the reasons for doing so, and that there are many factors involved in the cancellation of the series, I think that there's too much emphasis being placed on this idiotic stockholder and it's leaving a negative impression on Marvel Comics.

http://icv2.com/articles/news/29912.html

I had been reading about this stockholder (Ike Perlmutter), angry about the rights to Fantastic Four not reverting back to Marvel. The sales for the monthly comic have been low for Marvel and that it might have been one of the contributing factors, which the publisher might have used in an effort to possibly reboot the comic series in the near future. Marvel has halted its publication on Fantastic Four many times yet to hear the entertainment media talk about it, they seem to be blowing this whole matter out of proportion.

Last I checked, neither Marvel nor Disney, have said word one about their plans on the Fantastic Four film franchise. Just sounds like Ike Perlmutter is throwing a temper tantrum over the rights to the film franchise.

I'm sure you are aware that nothing is permanent in comics, especially coming from Marvel Comics with their almost continual reboots and reinventions. I think the cancellation was a PR stunt if anything else, since the fan community would have a very predictable response. Marvel has shown over and over again in the past decade every top-level creative and business decision in the comics is designed for maximum publicity.

The Fantastic Four will be back in the comics at some point.

[Livelong420]

I wish they wouldn't reboot it. Just make a third, but better!

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Livelong420

I wish they wouldn't reboot it. Just make a third, but better!

Since Ioan Gruffudd is now doing the "Forever" Tv series for ABC, and Chris has become Captain America, a sequel to the earlier films isn't practical anymore. Michael Chiklis is on something called "American Horror Story" now, and Jessica Alba was never right for Sue to begin with. In total, a reboot's the best way to go about it, but Fox's and Trank's choices are wrecking this like crazy.

[kemcha]

Clark Kent, I know. I've been collecting comics since the 1970's and with Marvel and D.C. Comics, they have canceled, restarted, rebooted and reformed various superheroes and superhero teams over the years. Batman and the Outsiders, Justice League, Justice Society, Avengers, X-Men, Teen Titans, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Daredevil and the list goes on and on.

But, I think the media has turned this bitter public attitude over Fantastic Four into something it should not be. Fantastic Four has been canceled many times over the course of its long publishing history and Marvel will simply not allow the comic to be out of circulation for too long. But, I think the comic book industry isn't what it used to be and the gravitation toward digital releases has eroded the industry.

The flops of the first two films, and the miscasting of the new Josh Trank film, has cast an unsavory light on the Fantastic Four film franchise series.