Killers of the Flower Moon (2023)

[BluBonnet]

[Cremildo]

The cop was a very boring role. DiCaprio made the right decision.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

The cop was a very boring role. DiCaprio made the right decision.

As the guy who wants to stop this thread dead in the tracks to whine about the book, he will tell you. The original script focused more on the cop. So the role was bigger and the Ernest character was much smaller.

[cheez avenger]

And if DiCaprio was to play the much shorter role of the agent, no way would Apple have granted Scorsese with a 200 million dollar budget. DiCaprio is a star whether you like him or not.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

As the guy who wants to stop this thread dead in the tracks to whine about the book, he will tell you. The original script focused more on the cop. So the role was bigger and the Ernest character was much smaller.

Paul Schrader wants to do what!?

[cgpublic]

"If you see one film in cinemas this year it should be Oppenheimer," Schrader said over the summer. "I’m not a Nolan groupie but this one blows the door off the hinges."

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

And if DiCaprio was to play the much shorter role of the agent, no way would Apple have granted Scorsese with a 200 million dollar budget. DiCaprio is a star whether you like him or not.

This movie. Does Not. Need 200 million dollars. That budget is absolutely ludicrous. Spielberg or PTA or Nolan would have made this for 80, at max 100. So I'd be happy to slice the budget in half.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Paul Schrader wants to do what!?

Schrader doesn’t come into this thread. As far as I know. So I wasn’t talking about him. He just hangs out on Facebook, for now.

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

As the guy who wants to stop this thread dead in the tracks to whine about the book, he will tell you. The original script focused more on the cop. So the role was bigger and the Ernest character was much smaller.

Indeed, but that only goes to show how Schrader is still not making much sense, in my opinion: if they had made the movie primarily about the white cop and the birth of the FBI, it'd have been ripped apart as being too focused on the white characters.

I still maintain that Scorsese was wise to shift the focus of the book and that DiCaprio was right in not playing the rather ordinary role in which Jesse Plemons was eventually cast.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

He just hangs out on Facebook, for now.

And he makes some movies, too

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

Indeed, but that only goes to show how Schrader is still not making much sense, in my opinion: if they had made the movie primarily about the white cop and the birth of the FBI, it'd have been ripped apart as being too focused on the white characters.

I still maintain that Scorsese was wise to shift the focus of the book and that DiCaprio was right in not playing the rather ordinary role in which Jesse Plemons was eventually cast.

Some might say, myself included, it's your opinion against the opinion of Paul Schrader, the screenwriter for Taxi Driver and Raging Bull.

What I'll add is your post is one of the most troubling statements I've ever read on this site, and we're looking at 15 years.

Sure, we all get that certain films are made as Oscar bait, and scripts are massaged to ensure that they don't conflict with the generally accepted sensibilities of the Academy members.

However, you seem to be suggesting that every time a filmmaker addresses a sensitive historical subject, the overarching and primary influence should be how a specific audience, in this case, the Academy and a slew of downstream critics, will react.

That's not cinema, that's a cop-out.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by slumcat

This movie. Does Not. Need 200 million dollars. That budget is absolutely ludicrous. Spielberg or PTA or Nolan would have made this for 80, at max 100. So I'd be happy to slice the budget in half.

It was all salary. Leo made 40 million alone, so I'd assume the rest of the actors and production budget equaled 160 million. It is what it is.

Leonardo DiCaprio reportedly earned a massive $40 million salary for his role in Killers of the Flower Moon, making it his highest-paying Martin Scorsese movie to date.
The movie had a significant production budget of $200 million, with DiCaprio's salary accounting for one-fifth of that budget, according to insider reports.

https://screenrant.com/flowers-kille...caprio-salary/

[slumcat]

Also let's not diminish Schrader as a sceenwriter of Taxi Driver only. He's a great filmmaker in his own right.

And in the recent pass is a better filmmaker to me than Scorsese.

First Reformed, Card Counter > Irishman, Flower Moon

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by slumcat

Also let's not diminish Schrader as a sceenwriter of Taxi Driver only...

Agreed. Not only as a filmmaker, with Auto Focus and Affliction as two of my favorites, but also as a film critic, mentored by none other than Pauline Kael.

But my favorite anecdote about Schrader is how he wrote the original draft for Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which in turn was rejected by Spielberg for being too heavy or something similar, but I get the dark feels of his influence all over those dysfunctional family dynamic scenes.

Agree or disagree, Schrader is a welcome cinema wild card.

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

It was all salary. Leo made 40 million alone, so I'd assume the rest of the actors and production budget equaled 160 million. It is what it is.




https://screenrant.com/flowers-kille...caprio-salary/

It is what it didn't need to be.

The 200 million is not on the screen. It looks like an 80 million dollar movie at best.

You see similar or better period design in tv shows.

And no big stars apart from Dicaprio.

Oppenheimer, a movie I dislike, is FULL OF STARS, and looks more expensive than Killers and cost half.

[cheez avenger]

Schrader is just bitter that he will never EVER get 200 million, hell, let alone 20 million for a film project. I'm a big fan of PS, but he's just talking shit there.

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Schrader is just bitter that he will never EVER get 200 million, hell, let alone 20 million for a film project. I'm a big fan of PS, but he's just talking shit there.

It's sad that you think that's a good thing. Like literally it's true, Schrader has trouble finding 2 million for a project and you're celebrating that.

The food budget on a studio film is more.

This is something that should make cinema lovers despair, not gloat.

Jesus, what has happened to cinema fans.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by slumcat

It's sad that you think that's a good thing. Like literally it's true, Schrader has trouble finding 2 million for a project and you're celebrating that.

The food budget on a studio film is more.

This is something that should make cinema lovers despair, not gloat.

Jesus, what has happened to cinema fans.

I didn't say it was a good thing, but PS is out of line talking to the trades about the film he had no involvement in, when he just had dinner with Marty. It's some backhanded bs and is not out of hand to get called on.

[OnlyJapantown]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Schrader is just bitter that he will never EVER get 200 million, hell, let alone 20 million for a film project. I'm a big fan of PS, but he's just talking shit there.

Schrader has the ability to get his own films made and acknowledges that he and Scorsese are making very different movies in this exact interview. I don't think he's bitter at all, just too old to bother with airs and graces when expressing his opinions.

[CinemaBlu]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I didn't say it was a good thing, but PS is out of line talking to the trades about the film he had no involvement in, when he just had dinner with Marty. It's some backhanded bs and is not out of hand to get called on.

Schrader and Scorsese are good lifelong friends, he likely told Scorsese his opinion at their dinner. If you'd followed their relationship you'd know that Schrader has always ribbed Scorsese. But it's always funny and good-natured. That's why when he gave his opinion publicly, he also mentioned having dinner with Scorsese and Scorsese's dog biting him. I don't think there's any backhanded malice intended.