Titanic 4K UHD (1997)

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by PonyoBellanote

THIS. THIIIIIIIS. Lot of talk about "original better!" but then they all gatekeep it and make it hard to acess.

Not all. Star Wars Despecialized Edition, anyone?

[starmike]

Originally Posted by PonyoBellanote

THIS. THIIIIIIIS. Lot of talk about "original better!" but then they all gatekeep it and make it hard to acess.

And I hate it. There are other preservation groups that don't do that.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

Not all. Star Wars Despecialized Edition, anyone?

We didn't say 'all', just the audio groups.

[Socko]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

I hope you are being ironic. There are many cinephiles here. Videophiles are perhaps less common because of how insanely expensive top equipment actually is here.

And it's not soccer, it's football. Real football. Actual FOOTball.

Futbol

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by starmike

And I hate it. There are other preservation groups that don't do that.

Such groups really deserve a lot of praise. And there are plenty of awesome fan-restoration and fan-preservation efforts out there, showing that there will always be people willing to do themselves what the companies don't.

It's perhaps even truer with videogames, in the sense that the bulk of videogame preservation and accessibility really is all fan-effort, it has to be! Otherwise, most old games would have disappeared. Preserving games is a great pain because while you just share a film on a digital video format that any platform will play, a videogame is a piece of software designed only for one piece of hardware. Years and years of hard work are necessary to study and understand a videogame console to program emulation software.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by Socko

Futbol

In spanish-speaking countries. In Brazil, futebol.

[DigitalDeluge24]

Originally Posted by PonyoBellanote

THIS. THIIIIIIIS. Lot of talk about "original better!" but then they all gatekeep it and make it hard to acess.

What are you on about? A person literally broke forum rules a couple posts back just to give you the mix in question smh...

[starmike]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

Such groups really deserve a lot of praise. And there are plenty of awesome fan-restoration and fan-preservation efforts out there, showing that there will always be people willing to do themselves what the companies don't.

It's perhaps even truer with videogames, in the sense that the bulk of videogame preservation and accessibility really is all fan-effort, it has to be! Otherwise, most old games would have disappeared. Preserving games is a great pain because while you just share a film on a digital video format that any platform will play, a videogame is a piece of software designed only for one piece of hardware. Years and years of hard work are necessary to study and understand a videogame console to program emulation software.

Great points. So why is it the audio groups are such gatekeepers? They're not doing anything better than everyone else.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by DigitalDeluge24

What are you on about? A person literally broke forum rules a couple posts back just to give you the mix in question smh...

I didn't even notice that.

[MagikM8]

Originally Posted by Pocketkid2

Can you give some specific examples of what was revised and how it was made worse?

Not only has it been tealed, had the grain scrubbed and been sharpened but there is lots of tinkering. This is totally revisionist. https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=935850

[steve_dave]

Members here: When is this going to be on 4K?

Members here: What no Dolby Vision or Atmos?

Members here: The Laserdisc/VHS/Video CD with lossy Dolby Digital audio or analog Stereo Surround is superior.

There is audiophile or videophile or whatever then there is just being annoying with “elitest” comments.

Cameron could have just ignored this film’s existence like True Lies or The Abyss. But he signed off on a Dolby Vision master, a Dolby Atmos track, and is including new extras. He even got the actress he openly mocked to come back and participate.

[Sky_Captain]

Members here: I'll wait until it's on sale.

Members here: I waited... hey, wadduya mean there's no slip?

[Toscaclarinet]

With all these other European countries announcing 4k releases, where is the UK one? And Amazon seems to have blocked UK addresses from pre-ordering any of the other countries' releases so I can't even order an import! At least it isn't limited so should be available after release.

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

I hope you are being ironic. There are many cinephiles here. Videophiles are perhaps less common because of how insanely expensive top equipment actually is here.

And it's not soccer, it's football. Real football. Actual FOOTball.

American football is called that because it's a derivative of rugby football.

Although it's mostly used in North America and Australia nowadays, "soccer" was a term invented by the English (who, you know, also invented the sport) as a shorthand for Association Football to distinguish it from other forms of football such as, hey, rugby football.

[Pocketkid2]

Originally Posted by MagikM8

Not only has it been tealed, had the grain scrubbed and been sharpened but there is lots of tinkering. This is totally revisionist. https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=935850

1) I don't have a problem with the new color grade, in fact I think it looks quite nice, but I've also never seen the DVD or older versions, so I have no frame of reference for understanding if the change in color grade is actually a big deal.

edit: I'm looking at DVD vs Bluray comparisons on caps-a-holic and I can see the teal you are talking about. I don't see the problem because the new grade looks more natural, the DVD grade looks too cold. I felt the same way about The Abyss DVD vs HD streaming version that has the so-called "teal" regrade that also looks more realistic and natural compared the ultra-cold DVD grade.

2) Grain scrubbing doesn't matter if the fine detail is still there. The Bluray is incredibly well detailed and there's only one shot in the entire movie that sticks out as having a waxy look to it. I could write an entire article about why I think it's stupid to complain about a lack of grain when all the fine detail you could want is clearly in the image.

3) Is revisionism even a problem if it's used to fix continuity and film-making errors? Removing lighting equipment from a shot is very different from adding entirely new sequences and CGI characters like what George Lucas did for the original trilogy special editions. (That is revisionism that I can't stand and won't support, but these Titanic changes all make sense and don't bother me)

[Onlysleeping23]

Originally Posted by PonyoBellanote

THIS. THIIIIIIIS. Lot of talk about "original better!" but then they all gatekeep it and make it hard to acess.

This has not been my experience at all. In many cases, some of the members of these groups might not be as active as others. As long as you ask nicely, it just sometimes just requires a little patience.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by starmike

I threw my laserdisc out when it was selling for $8 on eBay. You can't praise the LD for the audio mix while not mentioning the shit 480i video.

But at the time, the 480i video was stellar, state-of-the-art, and the audio was, and still is, stellar, since it was properly balanced as originally designed.

Now we have new benchmarks for "stellar", yet modern sound mixes are often way short of the mark due to lack of subtlety. So great, we had it on 1080p and 3D even previously, yet the sound mix was perhaps a step back in terms of proper balancing. Now we'll have it in 4k, but will the audio be properly balanced, or will the laserdisc beat it in that department? Pretty embarrassing that a laserdisc can beat a UHD at audio.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by mar3o

But at the time, the 480i video was stellar, state-of-the-art, and the audio was, and still is, stellar, since it was properly balanced as originally designed.

Now we have new benchmarks for "stellar", yet modern sound mixes are often way short of the mark due to lack of subtlety. So great, we had it on 1080p and 3D even previously, yet the sound mix was perhaps a step back in terms of proper balancing. Now we'll have it in 4k, but will the audio be properly balanced, or will the laserdisc beat it in that department? Pretty embarrassing that a laserdisc can beat a UHD at audio.

Not really. DD and DTS were pretty amazing, even if DD was lossy (I had the DTS LD). However, the MIX is different from the TECH. Don't conflate the two.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by starmike

Not really. DD and DTS were pretty amazing, even if DD was lossy (I had the DTS LD). However, the MIX is different from the TECH. Don't conflate the two.

The mix is exactly what I'm talking about. Modern remixes of older films are often unbalanced, with music and sound effects drowning out dialogue.

The laserdisc had the original mix and sounded more balanced, even though today's audio codecs are higher quality and lossless.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by mar3o

The mix is exactly what I'm talking about. Modern remixes of older films are often unbalanced, with music and sound effects drowning out dialogue.

The laserdisc had the original mix and sounded more balanced, even though today's audio codecs are higher quality and lossless.

And laserdisc audio isn't as dynamic as it is today. Look, I get it, I still own LDs just for their mixes, but you're never going to get full parity on anything.