News: displays and their technologies

[soaptrail]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

The FED have not lowered interest rates do to inflation. People are going into record debt trying to purchase using credit cards at record APR. Lots buy now pay later purchases. Lots low level fast food and service sector jobs and folks working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet that's skewing the unemployment rate numbers.

The article I posted shows Best Buy is not selling overpriced TVS. This is not the time for to introduce ultra expensive TVS

Lowering interest rates usually increases spending which drives demand higher and increases inflation since there are no incentives to save. If you remember or learned about the 70's the Fed wanted stagflation to stop growth due to high oil prices.

What do you consider a normal interest rate? 1%, 3%, 5%, 10%, 20% or negative rates?

[PaulGo]

No one is holding a gun to a consumer's head to buy an ultra premium TV. There are many reasonably priced TV's that deliver an excellent picture. In the past the ultra priced TVs help write off the R&D costs and then the prices drop dramatically. I remember when LCD TVs first came out a 19" LDC TV (720P) cost almost $2000.

[I DO BLU]

A New Era Of OLED: TCL CSOT Inkjet Printing Technology At SID 2024 - YouTube

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

No one is holding a gun to a consumer's head to buy an ultra premium TV. There are many reasonably priced TV's that deliver an excellent picture. In the past the ultra priced TVs help write off the R&D costs and then the prices drop dramatically. I remember when LCD TVs first came out a 19" LDC TV (720P) cost almost $2000.

You come across like a company guy. There are things you, like most it seems, don't understand about the human mind, particularly when it comes to advertising and propaganda.

If people like Brian and FOMO, social media influencers, can advocate that we go out and purchase overpriced TVs, then those of us have the right to attack that level of consumerism. Dave Ramsey does it all the time, we idiots go out and buy overpriced cars and other consumer items, especially when they already have a working, reliable car.

Nothing wrong with having an excellent-performing TV, but you shouldn't have to pay what they are asking. For example, I wouldn't purchase a Toyota Corolla for 35K, when I know it should be at best, with all options 26K new.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by soaptrail

Lowering interest rates usually increases spending which drives demand higher and increases inflation since there are no incentives to save. If you remember or learned about the 70's the Fed wanted stagflation to stop growth due to high oil prices.

What do you consider a normal interest rate? 1%, 3%, 5%, 10%, 20% or negative rates?

Normal interest, in my opinion, depends on the product. Who would purchase a house at 10% interest, most people wouldn't.

[Vilya]

The topic of this thread is: News: Displays and their technologies. It is NOT about the economy, advertising, or consumerism.

If you think the tech is overpriced, then don't buy it. The rest of us can decide for ourselves if the price is worth it or not.

[soaptrail]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Normal interest, in my opinion, depends on the product. Who would purchase a house at 10% interest, most people wouldn't.

There was a time when that was a good rate, ask my parents and in laws.

[LexInHD]

Here's the latest on microLED...

1. Samsung now has 101, 110, and 114-inch displays available and continues to show off their smaller builds, with sizes going all the way down to sub-40-inches. Availability is still constrained, as the company's output of them is very low and they are mostly being sold to customers who order in advance of availability, with a limited amount of product making it's way to the luxury retailers in key markets. They are continuing to advance slowly into the Cinema LED market, with limited deployment of their Onyx Cinema products, but the overall display industry is focused on other key markets and won't be pushing too much in that, until more players emerge and cinema standards can be worked out by everyone at the table.

2. Panel yields and manufacturing seem to be at the point where the tech can be rolled out, but the output is primarily being directed towards the business market and to lesser extent, the high-end luxury/enthusiast market and custom install builders that offer their own branded microLED installs with Samsung's large display panels and others.

3. All the global players - especially in the Asian market - are doubling down on microLED and are heavily focused on both developing tech and increasing output for high-resolution and high-refresh rate, with an emphasis on small-size offerings for consumer electronics, vehicle displays, and VR headsets.

4. There is movement on microLED PC monitors, but it's mostly just concept stuff right now and likely won't really happen for another 2-3 years, except for some large-size offerings that are built off of the business display designs mentioned above. The DisplayPort 2.1 and HDMI 2.1 adoption and testing - most of which only happens in Asia - for the latest and on-the-board hardware is still being set back by the pandemic's lingering effects, so whatever comes out should be fairly solid and advanced in terms of performance/capabilities and tech used.

[PaulGo]

I find buying technology that has matured a bit not only saves money but gives you a better product. At my age, I remember pizza for 15 cents a slice and gasoline for 29 cents a gallon. I had a new Ford Maverick for $1,995. Many years ago I was a Broadcast Engineer for NBC. After I retired from working in AI and Computer Security, I was hired by Comcast as a technical consultant. I am not a "company guy" but I try to seek value in my purchases.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

I find buying technology that has matured a bit not only saves money but gives you a better product. At my age, I remember pizza for 15 cents a slice and gasoline for 29 cents a gallon. I had a new Ford Maverick for $1,995. Many years ago I was a Broadcast Engineer for NBC. After I retired from working in AI and Computer Security, I was hired by Comcast as a technical consultant. I am not a "company guy" but I try to seek value in my purchases.

Only sh!t, you're old man. ...Respect

[LexInHD]

I did some digging and discovered that Samsung has quietly stealth-launched their sub-100-inch microLED displays in the Chinese market, adding 76 and 89-inch models to their offerings. Curiously, Samsung has chosen NOT to release these in the other markets (US, India, South Korea, Arab territories, etc.) where they already have the larger models available, so they are clearly pursuing different segments of the luxury TV markets in different territories, instead of trying to win the whole market in any particular territory outside of China, which seems to be the only place they are offering all models at this time.

[gkolb]

Just a hunch, 1. they don’t want to get swamped with orders they can’t fulfill, and or 2. they ‘know’ the buying power isn’t there with 5-10 percent interest rates across the globe.

Better to bide their time. They know 8K went over the cliff and crashed for the time being.
Best to roll out micro led more controlled.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Just a hunch, 1. they don’t want to get swamped with orders they can’t fulfill, and or 2. they ‘know’ the buying power isn’t there with 5-10 percent interest rates across the globe.

Better to bide their time. They know 8K went over the cliff and crashed for the time being.
Best to roll out micro led more controlled.

Smart management.
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[lgans316]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

I did some digging and discovered that Samsung has quietly stealth-launched their sub-100-inch microLED displays in the Chinese market, adding 76 and 89-inch models to their offerings. Curiously, Samsung has chosen NOT to release these in the other markets (US, India, South Korea, Arab territories, etc.) where they already have the larger models available, so they are clearly pursuing different segments of the luxury TV markets in different territories, instead of trying to win the whole market in any particular territory outside of China, which seems to be the only place they are offering all models at this time.

Mate,

I doubt if most of us care unless the prices are well under $5000 which is still super high for the vast majority.

Great news for those who can afford it.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

I did some digging and discovered that Samsung has quietly stealth-launched their sub-100-inch microLED displays in the Chinese market, adding 76 and 89-inch models to their offerings. Curiously, Samsung has chosen NOT to release these in the other markets (US, India, South Korea, Arab territories, etc.) where they already have the larger models available, so they are clearly pursuing different segments of the luxury TV markets in different territories, instead of trying to win the whole market in any particular territory outside of China, which seems to be the only place they are offering all models at this time.

That's great news, thanks for the update.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Mate,

I doubt if most of us care unless the prices are well under $5000 which is still super high for the vast majority.

Great news for those who can afford it.

They will be affordable, just be patient. We will finally get the Grail of display tech, it's been almost a century in the making.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Best Buy is selling the 77" LG Z2 for $9,999.99.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-77-c...?skuId=6501494

They also offer the 97" LG M3 for $24,999.99:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-sign...?skuId=6550242

It's good to know that neither of these would be considered "overpriced."

People that can afford premium priced products are also usually the least impacted by the state of the economy. I doubt that very many of those working 2 or 3 jobs to scrape by are seriously looking at TVs that cost several thousand dollars, but the well to do are still doing well and these products are well within their reach.

Best Buy might have overpriced TVs for sale, but that doesn't mean they're selling. I hope you can understand that.

We're in inflationary times, the cost of living has increased, and people have difficulty affording necessities like food, clothing, and shelter. People are in debt, consumer debt is at record levels and you think folks will run out and buy ultra-expensive TVs when that TV will be obsolete in 6-8 months.

LG, Sony, Samsung, and others are going against the trend, prices of goods and services need to trend downward for those companies to make sales.

This is a bad time to drive up prices when the consumers can't afford them.


My advice to anyone interested in purchasing any of those TVs is to wait until the end when the prices most like will and fall significantly.

[Vilya]

Premium priced products, including TVs, have always been an option even during the worst of economic times. Those that can afford such luxuries are usually the least impacted by fluctuations in the economy.

In short, premium TVs are made because there is a market for them. LG, Sony, and Samsung know their business better than you and I do. I seriously doubt that they would continue offering such models if they were losing money by doing so. It's kinda common sense, really.

Forum member Robert Zohn sells a wide array of premium consumer electronic products. I am sure he could tell you how well premium TVs are selling if you really wanted to know instead of just complaining about the price of things that you have no intention of buying, anyway.

The rest of us know what we can afford, too, so don't worry yourself on our account. We all know how to wait for a good sales event, also.

I do not know what you consider to be the the demarcation line between reasonably and "overpriced" TVs, but there are plenty of good affordable TVs available to those on a tighter budget.

Then there is this article:

United States Smart TV Market Poised for Remarkable Growth: Comprehensive Analysis and States Industry Outlook 2024-2030

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unite...161300283.html

"The United States Smart TV market is on track to reach a compelling US$ 100.06 Billion by 2030, illustrating the vibrant expansion of this segment within the technology sector."

"Anticipated to prosper at a CAGR of 10.50% over 2024-2030, the US Smart TV market is witnessing increased opportunities for content providers to create and distribute content over the internet."

The TV market is just fine with products priced for every budget.

[Robert Zohn]

Premium TV sales are on doing very well with all of the new 2024 TV brands. Sony's new flagship BRAVIA 9 QD MiniLED TV is one of the top selling TVs and demand is strong and steady.

Sony just dropped all of the prices, which makes the BRAVIA 9 ultra premium TV in all screen sizes, 85", 75" and 65" very fairly priced, especially when you consider the very high performance the makes this new TV the best QD MiniLED TV of all time. Lots of OLED TV lovers are buying Sony's BRAVIA 9 and loving it!

[Vilya]

My main TV is an 85" Sony that I bought in 2019 for about $3300. Was it "overpriced?" I don't think so; I was able to afford it even on my modest fixed income because it was a planned purchase. I feel that I got the "bang for my buck" that I expected, so the price that I paid was worth it in my opinion- and that's the only opinion that matters when it comes to how I spend my money.

Is it "outdated?" It most certainly is if you mean by "outdated" that it is not a "state of the art" TV. It wasn't "state of the art" even when I bought it five years ago.

Despite the fact that my TV is not, and never was, on the cutting edge of display technology, it still does everything that I want it to do and I feel that it does a pretty good job of doing it. I very much enjoy watching my physical media collection, my digital collection, and select streaming services on it.

Naturally, I am ever curious about the latest and greatest display tech, whether I can afford it or not, because quite often the features found on today's premium TVs will eventually be found on models that I can afford. It is exciting to see what is possible today in the hopes that I can afford it tomorrow.