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[Steelmaker]

I'm seriously pissed about Kennedy omitting the Tartakovsky animated Clone Wars series from being Cannon!

[Optimus]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I'm seriously pissed about Kennedy omitting the Tartakovsky animated Clone Wars series from being Cannon!

I remember watching it when I was younger, it was really good. I could never get into the CGI show though.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by Cook

No it's not. Lucas's original storyline was thrown out entirely. Lucas said this back in January:

Lucas said that because he thought it might help. But rest assured, Lucas storyline is still in play according to Simon Kinberg and others inside Lucasfilm. Kennedy and Abrams will probably never admit it because they would be caught in a lie, but it's the truth.

[chip75]

For most fans it's the movies and the TV series'. Books, comics and video games aren't really recognised, even if they are excellent.

The Clone Wars shorts should be recognized, especially as it managed to do something which the series never could - roll straight into Revenge of the Sith.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by OptimusL

I remember watching it when I was younger, it was really good. I could never get into the CGI show though.

It makes NO sense because it does not contradict the CGI show whatsoever if you watch it in the right order! Plus it pieces together a lot important things...

1.) It shows Anakin losing his hair braid and graduating from Padawan to Jedi Knight.

2.) It introduces Asaaj Ventress!

3.) It shows Count Dooku taking on Ventress as an apprentice and giving Ventress her dual lightsabers.

4.) It introduces Grievous.

5.) It shows Palpatine being kidnapped by Grievous and the start of the Battle of Coruscant, which is what Episode 3 starts with!


I mean, I cannot fathom why she would omit such a great and important series that is not contradictory in the slightest!

If you watch in this order, everything flows together very smoothly...

The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
The Clone Wars animated series: Season 1-Chapters 1-10 (Tartakovsky)
The Clone Wars animated series: Season 2-Chapters 11-20 (Tartakovsky)
The Clone Wars Animated series: Season 3-Chapters 21-24 (Tartakovsky)
The Clone Wars CGI Animated Movie
The Clone Wars CGI Series Seasons 1-6
The Clone Wars animated series: Season3 -Chapter 25 (Tartakovsky)
Revenge of the Sith

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

It makes NO sense because it does not contradict the CGI show whatsoever if you watch it in the right order! Plus it pieces together a lot important things...

1.) It shows Anakin losing his hair braid and graduating from Padawan to Jedi Knight.

2.) It introduces Asaaj Ventress!

3.) It shows Count Dooku taking on Ventress as an apprentice and giving Ventress her dual lightsabers.

4.) It introduces Grievous.

5.) It shows Palpatine being kidnapped by Grievous and the start of the Battle of Coruscant, which is what Episode 3 starts with!


I mean, I cannot fathom why she would omit such a great and important series that is not contradictory in the slightest!

If you watch in this order, everything flows together very smoothly...

The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
The Clone Wars animated series: Season 1-Chapters 1-10 (Tartakovsky)
The Clone Wars animated series: Season 2-Chapters 11-20 (Tartakovsky)
The Clone Wars Animated series: Season 3-Chapters 21-24 (Tartakovsky)
The Clone Wars CGI Animated Movie
The Clone Wars CGI Series Seasons 1-6
The Clone Wars animated series: Season3 -Chapter 25 (Tartakovsky)
Revenge of the Sith

It also shows Mace Windu leaping miles into the air and then power-diving into the ground and taking out a few bazillion driod troops. I think that's a little contradictory -- if one Jedi can do that, there's no point in even having an opposing army. One Jedi is a walking nuclear weapon. I always thought that show was over the top and it comes across like an eight-year-old's version of Star Wars. Not a fan of it, don't mind that it's not considered canon.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I'm seriously pissed about Kennedy omitting the Tartakovsky animated Clone Wars series from being Cannon!

It hasn't been canon since the cgi series came into existence. Why would Lucasfilm, Kennedy, and Disney want to make a handful of meaningless wildly iver the top cartoon shorts that conflict with the cgi series canon? They haven't been canon since 2008, and they need to stay that way.

Not every single comic, story, and bit of star wars media that's ever existed needs to be canon for you to enjoy it. If you enjoy those cartoons then watch them. Disney isn't coming to your house to rob you of your copies Tartakovsky's Clone War cartoons.

Seriously, why does it matter if those shorts are canon? What do they add to the canon? They are entirely superfluous.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Nada

Lucas said that because he thought it might help. But rest assured, Lucas storyline is still in play according to Simon Kinberg and others inside Lucasfilm. Kennedy and Abrams will probably never admit it because they would be caught in a lie, but it's the truth.

I haven't seen anything to indicate this is the case. Everything that has come out indicates they didn't use Lucas's story outline, and thank God for that.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Cook

I haven't seen anything to indicate this is the case. Everything that has come out indicates they didn't use Lucas's story outline, and thank God for that.

You've read Lucas' story outline?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

LucasFilm rebranded the EU. The "shit pulled" was ordered by Kennedy, who also nixed Lucas' treatments and closed LucasArts. You guys blame Iger for everything LucasFilm does without realizing Kennedy is running that show.

Ernest, it's like people think Lucasfilm simply doesn't exist any more, as we know full well from certain other running disputes.

[edit] And yet whenever people talk about the creative decisions behind the Marvel movies they almost always talk about 'Marvel this' or 'Marvel that', they never seem to default to talking about 'Disney this, Disney that' like they do with Star Wars, it's so strange. Disney didn't buy Star Wars, it bought Lucasfilm. Big difference.

[DJMcNiff]

When Lucasfilm decided to reboot the Star Wars canon, it was decided that Episodes I-VI and Star Wars: The Clone Wars would form the foundation of the new canon.

While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.

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[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by chip75

For most fans it's the movies and the TV series'. Books, comics and video games aren't really recognised, even if they are excellent.

The Clone Wars shorts should be recognized, especially as it managed to do something which the series never could - roll straight into Revenge of the Sith.

I LOVE the Tartakovsky shorts but I'm not bummed they're not canon because they're so wildly OTT, as people have stated. Still, I think the entire reason why the CG series didn't roll into the movie - apart from production being nixed as part of the LFL purge, obvs - is because the Tartakovsky series did it already. Even though its status as canon has long been called into question thanks to the mere existence of the CG show Lucas didn't want to step on its toes, so he didn't go over things like Ventress' introduction or Threepio getting his gold coverings again.

[drichter33]

Anyone able to find the action figures? I still haven't see any after force Friday. Grabbed a finn and a luke skywalker and the shelves are still empty.

Speculate on the marketing idea as to why hold back?

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It also shows Mace Windu leaping miles into the air and then power-diving into the ground and taking out a few bazillion driod troops. I think that's a little contradictory -- if one Jedi can do that, there's no point in even having an opposing army. One Jedi is a walking nuclear weapon. I always thought that show was over the top and it comes across like an eight-year-old's version of Star Wars. Not a fan of it, don't mind that it's not considered canon.

I see your point but at the same time I always thought the prequels didn't depict the Jedi powerful enough. I thought they should have been shown to be much more formidable than what they were. Not to the degree the animated series showed but a lot more than what we got from the PT. Maybe that's why I don't mind the Tartakovsky series take on Jedi as much.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Still, I think the entire reason why the CG series didn't roll into the movie - apart from production being nixed as part of the LFL purge, obvs - is because the Tartakovsky series did it already.

I do wonder where the CGI show would have finished.

I think it was disregarded when they began working on the CGI show, but it's a shame that it's events are erased from canon. I think Anakin gets his scar in the Tartakovsky show as well.

No biggie, we still have the DVDs to enjoy, but it would have been nice to see them in HD, although they upscale beautifully.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Cook

I've never even heard of that. Regardless, the bottom line is it isn't the beginning of star wars canon. It is no longer canon and will be replaced by other stories.

Doesn't mean you can't continue enjoying that story and other Legend stories, but they aren't canon anymore. Which is for the best. The old EU was a convoluted cluster**** that had grown like a cancer for decades, and continuing the films while weighed down with by that mess would have been a horrible idea. A clean slate was the best option. As of now the canon starts with TPM, but the past of the star wars universe won't always be a mystery.

Don't know what to tell you 2003 Clone Wars fans, but as for the rest of the EU, Lucas never really considered them canon in the first place-

"There are two worlds here. There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe." - Lucas, 2001

"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." - Lucas, 2005

Basically it seemed like Lucas took EU licensing as a financial play, because it gave his movies advertising and also his cut of the licensing (plus it gave him free ideas), but he never really thought that an EU story was necessarily in the same SW universe as his movies.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by chip75

I do wonder where the CGI show would have finished.

I think it was disregarded when they began working on the CGI show, but it's a shame that it's events are erased from canon. I think Anakin gets his scar in the Tartakovsky show as well.

No biggie, we still have the DVDs to enjoy, but it would have been nice to see them in HD, although they upscale beautifully.

They sure do! In fact, of all the DVD's I still have in my collection, The Clone Wars animated series is by far one of the best looking ones and closest to looking like blu Ray.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ernest, it's like people think Lucasfilm simply doesn't exist any more, as we know full well from certain other running disputes.

[edit] And yet whenever people talk about the creative decisions behind the Marvel movies they almost always talk about 'Marvel this' or 'Marvel that', they never seem to default to talking about 'Disney this, Disney that' like they do with Star Wars, it's so strange. Disney didn't buy Star Wars, it bought Lucasfilm. Big difference.

The Texas Longhorns are playing Oklahoma State in an hour on Disney...err...I mean, ESPN.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by aiman04

You've read Lucas' story outline?

I don't need to. After the prequels and special editions I don't want him anywhere near these new films. Am I supposed to believe that after over 20 years of bad decisions and bad ideas he is suddenly going to turn in a good story? It's highly unlikely.

[Forever Knight]

Originally Posted by Cook

I've never even heard of that. Regardless, the bottom line is it isn't the beginning of star wars canon. It is no longer canon and will be replaced by other stories.

Doesn't mean you can't continue enjoying that story and other Legend stories, but they aren't canon anymore. Which is for the best. The old EU was a convoluted cluster**** that had grown like a cancer for decades, and continuing the films while weighed down with by that mess would have been a horrible idea. A clean slate was the best option. As of now the canon starts with TPM, but the past of the star wars universe won't always be a mystery.

You haven't heard of Dawn of the Jedi yet you seem to know everything of the EU based on those comments.

Plus nothing from the new canon has contradicted anything in the timeline of the EU...yet.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Never heard of it.

It boggles my mind how anyone can be a Star Wars fan and not even know the origins of the force, lightsabers, Jedi, Sith, etc. Do you guys think it just popped out of nowhere and BAM! Phantom Menace begins? lol