8K discussion thread - Page 86 - Blu-ray Forum

Auditor55 · 03-18-2020, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV

That is another misguided statement, even though you are comparing this to 4K, a lot of the 8K ecosystem that represents the capture to the reproduction is being worked on.

Did you even know that we had two decades of content being captured at 4K resolution before you had 4K displays? See 20 Years of Movie Titles were filmed in 4K and nobody bothered to save them - 4K.com 9/24/2014

Sony showed the first 4K consumer TV at IFA 2012. Everything takes years to manifest itself into something that this marketplace finds useful. Your comment just remind me of similar views with the first 4K opinions. I could certainly remember 4K is dead because nobody need it. Then what happened.

OK, putting aside science and objective comparisons, please tell us what medium will make 8K a standard in market?

Auditor55 · 03-18-2020, 02:04 PM

JohnAV · 03-18-2020, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Auditor55

OK, putting aside science and objective comparisons, please tell us what medium will make 8K a standard in market?

You seemed to do the opposite of providing factual conjecture using that YouTube video.

Some online comments

No difference between 1080p and 4K in terms of sharpness. Lol. OK buddy.
Kind of sad that he never said anything about ppi and why that’s basically what matters

For now it's premature to discuss what will be the dominate form of 8K content.

What has been observed is Hollywood shooting films with 8K video techniques, 8K live broadcast via satellite by NHK, BBC News. Independent 8K Red camera owners authoring 8K YouTube videos. 8K games using capable computer setups and monitors.

Lee A Stewart · 03-18-2020, 06:17 PM

The dominant form of 8K content should be . . . sports @ 120 FPS. It's very important that they do not compromise and make it 60 FPS.

JohnAV · 03-18-2020, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The dominant form of 8K content should be . . . sports @ 120 FPS. It's very important that they do not compromise and make it 60 FPS.

What happens if you don't like sports? I like realistic stories conveyed in the possible way. Don't think reality shows at 8K @120 FPS will be the heart throb either, but thats what we will be stuck with!

Lee A Stewart · 03-18-2020, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV

What happens if you don't like sports? I like realistic stories conveyed in the possible way. Don't think reality shows at 8K @120 FPS will be the heart throb either, but thats what we will be stuck with!

IMO 8K is going to be used very sparingly. Like for sports only and only streamed. All other content will be a combo of HD and 4k UHD. They may shoot other content in 8K but then down rez it to either HD or 4K for viewing.

JohnAV · 03-18-2020, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

IMO 8K is going to be used very sparingly. Like for sports only and only streamed. All other content will be a combo of HD and 4k UHD. They may shoot other content in 8K but then down rez it to either HD or 4K for viewing.

The reason I brought up reality shows, is because in Asia as well as in the states, these reality based competitions are quite dominate. Its seems fairly easy for these to be using state of the art 8K cameras once the broadcasting part is implemented. But at the beginning it would be likely paid sporting events with special displays would be whats available initially here.

Fendergopher · 03-18-2020, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The dominant form of 8K content should be . . . sports @ 120 FPS. It's very important that they do not compromise and make it 60 FPS.

You realize 8K@120 isn't part of the HDMI 2.1 standard right? I also doubt broadcasters that aren't the NHK are willing to accomodate the bandwith needed to deliver that kind of data. 4K@120 or even just 2K@120 could easily be done if the people in charge actually wanted to, so far they've seemed reluctant.

Lee A Stewart · 03-18-2020, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fendergopher

You realize 8K@120 isn't part of the HDMI 2.1 standard right? I also doubt broadcasters that aren't the NHK are willing to accomodate the bandwith needed to deliver that kind of data. 4K@120 or even just 2K@120 could easily be done if the people in charge actually wanted to, so far they've seemed reluctant.

HDMI will continue to evolve. 2.1 is not the last version. That's for sure.

Fendergopher · 03-19-2020, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

HDMI will continue to evolve. 2.1 is not the last version. That's for sure.

That's definitely true, though I don't think broadcasters in general are going to bother keeping up with the evolution of HDMI, though maybe that's just my biases showing. The amount of cord-cutters seems to be growing though, not decreasing, so it's not surprising for the broadcast industry to stagnate somehow.

Lee A Stewart · 03-19-2020, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fendergopher

That's definitely true, though I don't think broadcasters in general are going to bother keeping up with the evolution of HDMI, though maybe that's just my biases showing. The amount of cord-cutters seems to be growing though, not decreasing, so it's not surprising for the broadcast industry to stagnate somehow.

When you say "broadcasters" are you referring to OTA like NBC, CBS, ABC, etc.?

If yes then do not be concerned. They have zero interest in broadcasting in any higher resolution than 1080P. Though the new ATSC 3.0 can handle both 4K and 8K UHD, broadcasters see no motivation to spend the money to upgrade. All they see are additional ad dollars and more subchannels

And those that set the standards for ATSC 3.0 knew this would happen. That's why they call 1080P HDR . . . Ultra High Definition.

JohnAV · 03-23-2020, 06:21 PM

The Olympics that NHK wanted to be a 8K technical showcase is delayed to 2021.

IOC member says that 2020 Tokyo Olympics will be postponed due to coronavirus pandemic

This occurred because of countries were starting to refuse sending athletes to Olympics if they're held in 2020, example .

Penton-Man · 03-23-2020, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV

The Olympics that NHK wanted to be a 8K technical showcase is delayed to 2021.

IOC member says that 2020 Tokyo Olympics will be postponed due to coronavirus pandemic

This occurred because of countries were starting to refuse sending athletes to Olympics if they're held in 2020, example .

With regards to the unique situation affecting all forms of businesses and endeavors, as a replacement, I’ve got something to keep me occupied

- https://www.netflix.com/title/80244928

Auditor55 · 03-28-2020, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

When you say "broadcasters" are you referring to OTA like NBC, CBS, ABC, etc.?

If yes then do not be concerned. They have zero interest in broadcasting in any higher resolution than 1080P. Though the new ATSC 3.0 can handle both 4K and 8K UHD, broadcasters see no motivation to spend the money to upgrade. All they see are additional ad dollars and more subchannels

And those that set the standards for ATSC 3.0 knew this would happen. That's why they call 1080P HDR . . . Ultra High Definition.

Listen and learn.

JohnAV · 03-28-2020, 09:17 PM

^ I don't think anyone will argue that these 8K LCD vendors all use improved backlighting specs as a cattle prod to compell consumers to buy 8K specific models. You get no argument that vendors are being deficient when not improving 4K models to have as good backlighting.

Robert Zohn · 03-28-2020, 09:38 PM

Correct ^ and I'll add that most of the 8K TVs have enhanced video processors.

It's common practice for all TV manufacturers to put the best technologies on the premium models to differentiate them and add value to the flagship series.

Leshita · 03-31-2020, 10:49 PM

I am skipping 4k, give me that 8k Blu-ray aka endgame of physical media before we go full digital virtual Matrix and sing Kumbaya while ending physical good production in light of solving climate change.

nws56 · 04-01-2020, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Leshita

I am skipping 4k, give me that 8k Blu-ray aka endgame of physical media before we go full digital virtual Matrix and sing Kumbaya while ending physical good production in light of solving climate change.

Do what ?

Rocky Road · 04-01-2020, 03:46 AM

8K should go the way of BETA and 3D.

There is NO Need for 8K.

Today I watched Frozen 2 ----- In Blu-Ray.

Good Picture.

Good Sound.

By the Way I have Not seen a 4K Movie on Disc.

I have to spend extra money just for a 4K Player.

Now they want me to spend even more money for a 8K Player.

Then what ????

More money for a 12K Player ??????

People are out of work, because of the Virus, and what are they Spending their money on ????

Yes you guessed it, Toilet Paper and Paper Towels !!!!!

So go ahead People and Buy that 12K Player (that you have been Dreaming about).

JohnAV · 04-01-2020, 05:11 AM

Couple of recent YouTube 8K videos

03-18-2020, 06:17 PM	#1704
Lee A Stewart Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jan 2019 Location:Albuquerque, NM	The dominant form of 8K content should be . . . sports @ 120 FPS. It's very important that they do not compromise and make it 60 FPS.

03-23-2020, 06:21 PM	#1712
JohnAV Blu-ray Knight Member since:Sep 2009 Location:Silicon Valley - where you never run out of toys! 4K collection:322 Blu-ray collection:964 MA collection:80 Digital collection:243 Blu-ray reviews:31 Trading Score:2	The Olympics that NHK wanted to be a 8K technical showcase is delayed to 2021. IOC member says that 2020 Tokyo Olympics will be postponed due to coronavirus pandemic This occurred because of countries were starting to refuse sending athletes to Olympics if they're held in 2020, example .

03-28-2020, 09:17 PM	#1715
JohnAV Blu-ray Knight Member since:Sep 2009 Location:Silicon Valley - where you never run out of toys! 4K collection:322 Blu-ray collection:964 MA collection:80 Digital collection:243 Blu-ray reviews:31 Trading Score:2	^ I don't think anyone will argue that these 8K LCD vendors all use improved backlighting specs as a cattle prod to compell consumers to buy 8K specific models. You get no argument that vendors are being deficient when not improving 4K models to have as good backlighting.

03-28-2020, 09:38 PM	#1716
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Correct ^ and I'll add that most of the 8K TVs have enhanced video processors. It's common practice for all TV manufacturers to put the best technologies on the premium models to differentiate them and add value to the flagship series.

03-31-2020, 10:49 PM	#1717
Leshita Senior Member Member since:Oct 2009 Location:Vancouver, BC Blu-ray collection:248 Trading Score:12	I am skipping 4k, give me that 8k Blu-ray aka endgame of physical media before we go full digital virtual Matrix and sing Kumbaya while ending physical good production in light of solving climate change.

04-01-2020, 03:46 AM	#1719
Rocky Road Banned Member since:Oct 2015 Trading Score:45	8K should go the way of BETA and 3D. There is NO Need for 8K. Today I watched Frozen 2 ----- In Blu-Ray. Good Picture. Good Sound. By the Way I have Not seen a 4K Movie on Disc. I have to spend extra money just for a 4K Player. Now they want me to spend even more money for a 8K Player. Then what ???? More money for a 12K Player ?????? People are out of work, because of the Virus, and what are they Spending their money on ???? Yes you guessed it, Toilet Paper and Paper Towels !!!!! So go ahead People and Buy that 12K Player (that you have been Dreaming about).

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