Killers of the Flower Moon (2023)

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by SteelbookCat

would the 4k disc have to be split in two?

The Irishman fit on one Blu-ray Disc, this could easily fit on a 4K disc.

[By_His_Strypes]

I finally watched this and I'm puzzled as to why it has been heralded by so many.

[OnlyJapantown]

Originally Posted by By_His_Strypes

I finally watched this and I'm puzzled as to why it has been heralded by so many.

Regrettably the discourse around this movie has been tainted by Scorsese's involvement in the Marvel movies discussion. Previously Scorsese had to make great movies to be praised, and now all he has to do is make movies better than the average superhero slop for people to commend him for defending cinema or some other such nonsense. Pointing out that this movie is about an hour and a half too long will get you labelled as lacking an attention span (as it has several times to posters in this thread, very unfairly).

[By_His_Strypes]

Originally Posted by OnlyJapantown

Regrettably the discourse around this movie has been tainted by Scorsese's involvement in the Marvel movies discussion. Previously Scorsese had to make great movies to be praised, and now all he has to do is make movies better than the average superhero slop for people to commend him for defending cinema or some other such nonsense. Pointing out that this movie is about an hour and a half too long will get you labelled as lacking an attention span (as it has several times to posters in this thread, very unfairly).

Interesting, none of that ever crossed my mind. The thing I was most impressed w/ is how Robert De Nero himself and the character he played in William Hale are like two peas in a pod...

It was just one of the lesser efforts for me from Scorsese, right alongside that other one Gangs of New York which was also heralded.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by By_His_Strypes

Interesting, none of that ever crossed my mind. The thing I was most impressed w/ is how Robert De Nero himself and the character he played in William Hale are like two peas in a pod...

It was just one of the lesser efforts for me from Scorsese, right alongside that other one Gangs of New York which was also heralded.

The best movie critic is you. ...Unapologetically, unbiased, irrevocably, unequivocally, unconditionally; it's your time in front of the screen with your eyes, your ears and your strings. It's not an easy job; it takes nerves of steel and absolute free disposition. Most professional film critics have what it takes to fairly render judgement. And on an emotional controlled level. I think.

So, what you see and hear and say is at most valuable.

If it wasn't for Oppenheimer this flick could have ...

[dkelly26666]

And Oppenheimer is one I'll never understand or agree with the praise over.

It's literally a 90s TNT made for cable movie, LOL. I've seen many, many better biopics, and don't even think it's even a very good film, much less a great one.

It's literally only heralded because it's a Nolan thing, with comic book stars in it.

I was bored to tears by it. It's average, at best.

[dkelly26666]

Originally Posted by OnlyJapantown

Regrettably the discourse around this movie has been tainted by Scorsese's involvement in the Marvel movies discussion. Previously Scorsese had to make great movies to be praised, and now all he has to do is make movies better than the average superhero slop for people to commend him for defending cinema or some other such nonsense. Pointing out that this movie is about an hour and a half too long will get you labelled as lacking an attention span (as it has several times to posters in this thread, very unfairly).

Oh, it's been tainted, alright, but in the opposite way, LOL.

Now, every fan of comic book movies must overly criticize anything with Scorsese's involvement, and apparently though thinks "Oppenheimer" is the greatest contribution to cinema since it was invented, simply because Nolan made it, oh he of the Dark Knight movies. Incidentally, these guys wouldn't like Nolan, either, if he'd never made the Dark Knight movies. "Oppenheimer" is way too long, too, but they never say that.

[rubystone356]

Originally Posted by dkelly26666

Oh, it's been tainted, alright, but in the opposite way, LOL.

Now, every fan of comic book movies must overly criticize anything with Scorsese's involvement, and apparently though thinks "Oppenheimer" is the greatest contribution to cinema since it was invented, simply because Nolan made it, oh he of the Dark Knight movies. Incidentally, these guys wouldn't like Nolan, either, if he'd never made the Dark Knight movies. "Oppenheimer" is way too long, too, but they never say that.

people see all kinds of movies. from comic book to cult classics.. I think Martin shot himself in the foot about Marvel movies. they are true escapism that people want. Martin makes very serious films. not that its a bad thing. he has his fans. I think he jealous about the success that Marvel and other big movies.

Jacob

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by rubystone356

I think Martin shot himself in the foot about Marvel movies. they are true escapism that people want. Martin makes very serious films. not that its a bad thing. he has his fans. I think he jealous about the success that Marvel and other big movies.

Jacob

He's probably just trying to make headlines, nothing more than that.

And the true disrespect is towards his colleagues who, in many cases, came from indie filmmaking and just happened to be offered a job at Marvel. He should show some respect towards his fellow filmmakers, even if they are making movies he has no time for.

[jimcorenson]

Originally Posted by SteelbookCat

would the 4k disc have to be split in two?

Who knows if we are even getting a Blu-Ray for this because of Apple’s greedy fingers on it.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

He's probably just trying to make headlines, nothing more than that.

And the true disrespect is towards his colleagues who, in many cases, came from indie filmmaking and just happened to be offered a job at Marvel. He should show some respect towards his fellow filmmakers, even if they are making movies he has no time for.

He was asked a question, and he answered truthfully, with a qualifier of "to me", which should have clued people in to it being in context of his experience with film. The man grew up with classic Hollywood and the foreign art house cinema of New York in the 50s/60s. People would see a Hitchcock blockbuster one week, a crime drama the next, a biblical epic the next, then a Fellini film the next. He starting making films during the New Hollywood of the 70s where story and character was king. This is the context of what cinema means to him. He doesn't go to the movies for the blockbuster thrills that many others go for. He wants to see films of other qualities.

People need to get over it. If you go to movies for the thrills of the MCU or similar films you can declare that without being so defensive over Scorsese's viewpoint. He's hardly the only person out there that feels that films he's interested in are not getting made and that the industry is leaving him behind. My parents and sister feel for same way. They used to see 8-15 films in theaters a year. Now they might see 1 or 2 because the movies they like don't get made or distributed in a way that gets their interest.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by captveg

He was asked a question, and he answered truthfully, with a qualifier of "to me", which should have clued people in to it being in context of his experience with film. The man grew up with classic Hollywood and the foreign art house cinema of New York in the 50s/60s. People would see a Hitchcock blockbuster one week, a crime drama the next, a biblical epic the next, then a Fellini film the next. He starting making films during the New Hollywood of the 70s where story and character was king. This is the context of what cinema means to him. He doesn't go to the movies for the blockbuster thrills that many others go for. He wants to see films of other qualities.

People need to get over it. If you go to movies for the thrills of the MCU or similar films you can declare that without being so defensive over Scorsese's viewpoint. He's hardly the only person out there that feels that films he's interested in are not getting made and that the industry is leaving him behind. My parents and sister feel for same way. They used to see 8-15 films in theaters a year. Now they might see 1 or 2 because the movies they like don't get made or distributed in a way that gets their interest.

Is this not something that happens with every generation across the board with entertainment. Eventually things you like are no longer going to be marketable. So it will take more effort to find things you will enjoy. I am still not happy that Peanut Butter Twix was fazed out. They also just killed Fruit Stripe gum.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Is this not something that happens with every generation across the board with entertainment. Eventually things you like are no longer going to be marketable. So it will take more effort to find things you will enjoy.

Sure. The degree and speed to which it's happened over the last 15 years is more unique, however. Obviously the way home viewing has changed has a large part in that, as has the expanded interest in world wide box office rather than just domestic (which is a factor to why straight up comedies have all but stopped being produced by studios, for example).

But blockbuster tastes are also more fickle. This last year showed that tastes can still shift radically in short order. There's actually opportunity right now for the right type of, say, romantic comedy to come along and reverse the trend of what draws in audiences. KotFM did fairly well for the type of drama it is, which also shows there's meat on that bone, too. Granted, most shouldn't have its budget, especially if not financed by an Apple-type studio.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by captveg

Sure. The degree and speed to which it's happened over the last 15 years is more unique, however. Obviously the way home viewing has changed has a large part in that, as has the expanded interest in world wide box office rather than just domestic (which is a factor to why straight up comedies have all but stopped being produced by studios, for example).

But blockbuster tastes are also more fickle. This last year showed that tastes can still shift radically in short order. There's actually opportunity right now for the right type of, say, romantic comedy to come along and reverse the trend of what draws in audiences.

There is also the growth of the local international market making it so they do not need Hollywood. To me I think it is more valuable for someone at Scorsese level to find that product he enjoys that is being ignored, and give it some props. I am sure that would go along way into getting those things made. Kind of like the old we are on to Cincinnati comment from Bill Belichick.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by captveg

He's hardly the only person out there that feels that films he's interested in are not getting made and that the industry is leaving him behind.

Tempi cambi

[LordoftheRings]

Yeah, Marty just tells it like it is; he's a straight shooter.
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Let's just for the fun of it reverse the roles; Marty directing Oppenheimer and Chris directing Killers of the Flower Moon. Would that make a difference financially (budget and box office) and awards winnings? You need to assess everything that went into the promotion of Barbenheimer. And, much much more between these two excellent and different filmmakers.
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By the way ...

Killers of the Flower Moon with twelve nominations ended up with zero award.
If it wasn't for Barbenheimer ...
Timing is everything.

[thenexus6]

In the Screening Room with Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio - YouTube

Not always directed related to Flower Moon, but a good watch.

[TheBondFan]

It won nothing at Critics Choice Award. Damn. I expected it to win at least 3 awards for each ceremony... Oscars last hope.

[BluBonnet]

I really don't feel this movie deserves any awards, save for Lily Gladstone's performance.

Even Rodrigo Prieto did a better job on Barbie than on this one.

[DrWally]

Originally Posted by TheBondFan

It won nothing at Critics Choice Award. Damn. I expected it to win at least 3 awards for each ceremony... Oscars last hope.

KOTFM is a fine, fine movie. But I suspect that if it does manage to pull off the win and beat Oppenheimer, then in years to come it would be viewed as a Dances With Wolves / Goodfellas-style injustice.


Which would be a little ironic if this time Marty was to be on the other end of such a scenario.